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RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use

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Originally posted by: mugs
I just don't care about this stupid debate anymore. Will it really make a difference? Will anyone stop ripping songs and putting them on their iPod? Does the RIAA's opinion even MATTER on the legality of it? No, no and no.

The law is what the law is. Who the hell cares if the RIAA changes their mind on their opinion of what the law says?
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Because it sounds like this might be the first steps in a lawsuit against Apple or perhaps a smaller MP3 producer to attach the ruling against Grokster to MP3 players.
The basic concept is that they declare that their EULA makes it illegal to copy music to MP3 players, and because MP3 players are marketed as a product to copy music too, they are therefore illegal. This argument is the real reason that the MGM vs. Grokster ruling is so bad. It allows a single law to have an unpredictable set of consequences on nearly unrelated industries.
The real question is why would RIAA want to outlaw the best thing to happen to the music industry since Sony introduced the walkman? My answer is that they don?t, they want to squeeze MP3 producers into paying RIAA a royalty.
 
That's just silly.

Back in the 80's before CD players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite CD's to casette and play them.

Back in the 70's before cassette players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite LP and 45 singles to 8 track and play them.

Back in the 60's everyone was so fvcking high we forgot what the hell we did.

Anyhow, they never said anything then. Back then there was DECENT GD MUSIC FOR CRISSAKES and people had no problem buying it. Now, well you have the equivalent of digital poo poo in the mainstream.

Ok, I'm done, I'm tired and gonna get some GOOD FOOD! 😀

Cheers!
 
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
That's just silly.

Back in the 80's before CD players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite CD's to casette and play them.

Back in the 70's before cassette players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite LP and 45 singles to 8 track and play them.

Back in the 60's everyone was so fvcking high we forgot what the hell we did.

Anyhow, they never said anything then. Back then there was DECENT GD MUSIC FOR CRISSAKES and people had no problem buying it. Now, well you have the equivalent of digital poo poo in the mainstream.

Ok, I'm done, I'm tired and gonna get some GOOD FOOD! 😀

Cheers!
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Excellent rant :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
That's just silly.

Back in the 80's before CD players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite CD's to casette and play them.

Back in the 70's before cassette players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite LP and 45 singles to 8 track and play them.

Back in the 60's everyone was so fvcking high we forgot what the hell we did.

Anyhow, they never said anything then. Back then there was DECENT GD MUSIC FOR CRISSAKES and people had no problem buying it. Now, well you have the equivalent of digital poo poo in the mainstream.

Ok, I'm done, I'm tired and gonna get some GOOD FOOD! 😀

Cheers!
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Good rant, but The RIAA has NEVER liked any technology that allows people to make copies of their music. They tried to pass laws against cassette recorders in the 80's and CD burners in the 90's as well, since since both of those technologies kept people from buying additional copies of albums that they already owned in a different format.
 
What the RIAA wants is a pay-per-use model, where you pay a dollar to listen to a song once and only once, and can't listen to it without paying again.
 
I guess they never realized when they game out with CD's in the 80's how easy they would be to copy. Stinks for them now. Tape copying was a PITA even with "high speed dubbing". Now you can fit thousands of MP3's on one DVD and burn it less than 10 minutes.
 
Originally posted by: jonessoda
What the RIAA wants is a pay-per-use model, where you pay a dollar to listen to a song once and only once, and can't listen to it without paying again.
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I don't think they even know what they want at this point.
 
"February 18, 2006

The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) has many music pirates upset about over some of their resent rules regarding MP3s and MP3 players. However this new one could take the cake. The RIAA has declared it unlawful to "listen to music from a purchased CD, or music that was downloaded via iTunes." A spokesperson for the RIAA said "It has been increasingly apparent that those who listen to music are much more likely to put songs onto their MP3 players. This would create multiple copies of the songs, which is against RIAA regulations. We are employing a preemptive measure which will ensure that songs are not copied in any way,shape, or form."

Obviously not true, but that seems the RIAA's ultimate goal.
 
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
That's just silly.

Back in the 80's before CD players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite CD's to casette and play them.

Back in the 70's before cassette players were standard equipment in cars everyone would record their favorite LP and 45 singles to 8 track and play them.

Back in the 60's everyone was so fvcking high we forgot what the hell we did.

Anyhow, they never said anything then. Back then there was DECENT GD MUSIC FOR CRISSAKES and people had no problem buying it. Now, well you have the equivalent of digital poo poo in the mainstream.

Ok, I'm done, I'm tired and gonna get some GOOD FOOD! 😀

Cheers!
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:laugh:

😀

 
That's pretty retarded...so basically they're saying the business model that has the best chance of generating income for them these days is illegal?
 
More death throes of a dieing giant.

I'm not sure why people actually support the RIAA by purchasing their music. 99% of it is complete sh!t anyway.
 
Wow, I really don't approve of the blatant theft of music, but it is beyond massively retarded to not allow people to rip their own CDs into a format usable by their iPod. If that isn't considered "fair use" I wonder how long it will take before simply even listening to a CD violates "fair use."
 
The RIAA really should have stuck to making those gold and platinum records. Those are kinda cool.

I hope that Apple will make a "Platinum iPod" award for 1 million music downloads once the RIAA finally goes bust 🙂
 
Originally posted by: LoKe
In ten years, everything will be illegal. If they keep making up ridiculous laws like the one they're implying here, I'll be a huge criminal and I could care less.
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so why don't you?
 
Originally posted by: Killerme33
"February 18, 2006

The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) has many music pirates upset about over some of their resent rules regarding MP3s and MP3 players. However this new one could take the cake. The RIAA has declared it unlawful to "listen to music from a purchased CD, or music that was downloaded via iTunes." A spokesperson for the RIAA said "It has been increasingly apparent that those who listen to music are much more likely to put songs onto their MP3 players. This would create multiple copies of the songs, which is against RIAA regulations. We are employing a preemptive measure which will ensure that songs are not copied in any way,shape, or form."

Obviously not true, but that seems the RIAA's ultimate goal.
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lol I love how now using i tunes for the main reason it exists is now going to be illegal, even though people pay for the songs and apple's DRM.
 
This is ridiculous. I don't agree with pirating, but copying a cd you OWN to your OWN device is not pirating. What in the hell are they thinking? They're basically saying that the only way to listen to the music you've purchased on a cd is to own a cd player. Outrageous.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
I just don't care about this stupid debate anymore. Will it really make a difference? Will anyone stop ripping songs and putting them on their iPod? Does the RIAA's opinion even MATTER on the legality of it? No, no and no.

The law is what the law is. Who the hell cares if the RIAA changes their mind on their opinion of what the law says?
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Finally, someone gets it.
The RIAA is not a court; they're entitled to their opinion, but it carries no legal weight until backed up by a court ruling. I'll continue to rip my legally-purchased music to my MP3 player.
 
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