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RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use

dartworth

Lifer
February 15, 2006

It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last year?

Apparently not.

As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making copies of your own CDs:

"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about authorization, not about fair use."

For those who may not remember, here's what Don Verrilli said to the Supreme Court last year:

"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it onto your iPod."

If I understand what the RIAA is saying, "perfectly lawful" means "lawful until we change our mind." So your ability to continue to make copies of your own CDs on your own iPod is entirely a matter of their sufferance. What about all the indie label CDs? Do you have to ask each of them for permission before ripping your CDs? And what about all the major label artists who control their own copyrights? Do we all need to ask them, as well?

P.S.: The same filing also had this to say: "Similarly, creating a back-up copy of a music CD is not a non-infringing use...."


link to EFF story
 
so they are trying to take it back?

as much as i rag on all the pirates/kids for downloading songs, this is my music source of choice. i buy used Cd's and rip them. now i'm a pirate too?
 
I just don't care about this stupid debate anymore. Will it really make a difference? Will anyone stop ripping songs and putting them on their iPod? Does the RIAA's opinion even MATTER on the legality of it? No, no and no.

The law is what the law is. Who the hell cares if the RIAA changes their mind on their opinion of what the law says?
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
so they are trying to take it back?

as much as i rag on all the pirates/kids for downloading songs, this is my music source of choice. i buy used Cd's and rip them. now i'm a pirate too?

I think that because of the pirates the RIAA is taking the stand that if you listen to it you are a pirate.
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
so they are trying to take it back?

as much as i rag on all the pirates/kids for downloading songs, this is my music source of choice. i buy used Cd's and rip them. now i'm a pirate too?

As far as the RIAA is concerned, you became an enemy when you started buying used CDs. Now you're a pirate for ripping them.

 
Ah yeah, I've seen the light. I will no longer copy my music to other sources, like I just did to my Xbox 360... Or does that not count?

:roll:
 
In ten years, everything will be illegal. If they keep making up ridiculous laws like the one they're implying here, I'll be a huge criminal and I could care less.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
seems like they suffer from rectal-cranial inversion.

And it's crazy, because just when you think they've got the worst case of it ever, they go and prove you wrong.
 
So if it's illegal for me to put CDs I legally purchased onto my computer or an iPod..why even bother buying CDs, then? 😕
 
They really need to realize that people pirate music to spite them. If they are going to come out with rulings, statements, mind changes, and "rectal-cranial inversion" as ElFenix said, they are going to lose more money because no one will buy the music any more. SUPRISE! RIAA, people don't have to buy music from you anymore, they can pirate/get it in "uber-billion" different ways!
 
Originally posted by: mugs
I just don't care about this stupid debate anymore. Will it really make a difference? Will anyone stop ripping songs and putting them on their iPod? Does the RIAA's opinion even MATTER on the legality of it? No, no and no.

The law is what the law is. Who the hell cares if the RIAA changes their mind on their opinion of what the law says?


It does for those people who get busted 😛

I personally think the RIAA is abusing its power. I bet they feel all good inside when they bust a 13 year old and sue the fvck out of his parents.
 
Originally posted by: LoKe
In ten years, everything will be illegal. If they keep making up ridiculous laws like the one they're implying here, I'll be a huge criminal and I could care less.

they want you to pay and pay and pay, the subscription model where the income stream is constant and growing is what they want

essentially they want you to pay each time you listen to content. i guess
 
The RIAA had their chance to be relevant... but that was about 10 years ago.

In a few years time, they will become like another Unisys-- an entinty which contributes ZERO but exists for the sole purpose of extracting revenue through lawsuits.
 
awesome im recording vinyl to my pc right now, then its going into MP3 where it will then go on my PSP, and probably get passed round a few friends if they like certain tracks......come get me RIAA!
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
So if it's illegal for me to put CDs I legally purchased onto my computer or an iPod..why even bother buying CDs, then? 😕

Precicely. 90% of my music listening time is on an MP3 player. With the logic they are using, it would also make it illegal to buy a song or album on iTunes and put it on your iPod.
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: LoKe
In ten years, everything will be illegal. If they keep making up ridiculous laws like the one they're implying here, I'll be a huge criminal and I could care less.

they want you to pay and pay and pay, the subscription model where the income stream is constant and growing is what they want

essentially they want you to pay each time you listen to content. i guess

In reality these companies will just keep on losing and losing money.

For instance, try explaining that to watch a HD DVD or bluray DVD you will need to hook up using an HDMI cable and to listen to the HD DD or HD DTS track the HDMI connection on your receiver must adhere to the latest HDMI 1.3 spec to the average consumer....see if they get confused.
 
They're not being smart. Now even people who only boght legit music won't give a darn what they have to say. They're losing all credibility.
 
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