RIAA lobbyist becomes federal judge, rules on file-sharing cases

[xj0hnx]

Unless you live like the unibomber I guarantee you will be buying movies and videogames again if you didnt have a choice between free and not free.

And people would be wasting money on a lot of garbage that they wouldn't have purchased because they suck so bad, but hey at least you'd be able to crank out some bullshit and get a check right?

 

[xj0hnx]

Nonsense. If what you said was true, then the no cost products would have a chance. They don't thanks to piracy, which has completely Gimped that market as well.

No cost apps are free troll.

 

[bfdd]

JSt0rm, exactly they don't make their money back opening weekend or even within the first month so they are unprofitable as far as movie studios are concerned. The contracts the studios have made with the theaters pretty much guarantees that unless a movie makes it's cost back within the first month or so it's unprofitable(to the studios). The longer the movie is in the theaters, the smaller the cut of ticket sales the studio receives. So making big block busters and spending tons to get people into the theater as early as possible to see it = profitable. making movies that might take a year to recoup their costs = unprofitable.

 

[JSt0rm]

JSt0rm, exactly they don't make their money back opening weekend or even within the first month so they are unprofitable as far as movie studios are concerned. The contracts the studios have made with the theaters pretty much guarantees that unless a movie makes it's cost back within the first month or so it's unprofitable(to the studios). The longer the movie is in the theaters, the smaller the cut of ticket sales the studio receives. So making big block busters and spending tons to get people into the theater as early as possible to see it = profitable. making movies that might take a year to recoup their costs = unprofitable.

No. Not true. They are looking at how much money they can make back over the life of the film. Ever notice how you see a decade old blockbuster on sunday afternoon tv? Yeah that film is nearing the end of its usable life cycle and they are still collecting money off of it. That is the movie business.

 

[JSt0rm]

And people would be wasting money on a lot of garbage that they wouldn't have purchased because they suck so bad, but hey at least you'd be able to crank out some bullshit and get a check right?

No.

Why must I be painted as not caring about anything but money? Thats just not true but I guess it helps your "argument" whatever that may be.

People consume film. They dont rewatch the same thing over and over again. Not every movie that comes out must be some life changing experience, something so epic that you altered your entire way of life. Sometimes a movie with some beers and friends is enough. Sometimes things can be entertaining without being something that blows you away for 3 days after. Thats OK. If the bar for xjohns dollars is godly then nothing will get your dollars. I guarantee that you only have this attitude because you have the power to consume for free.

I'm not naive. Every person on these forums (computer tech forums) has the know how and power to take whatever they want. We all know it.

 

[comptr6]

People consume film. They dont rewatch the same thing over and over again.

Now I've been re-watching my favorite TV shows and Movies over and over this whole time when I was actually supposed to eat them. Does that make me a pirate because I didn't pay to consume a movie 20+ times?

 

[xj0hnx]

Why must I be painted as not caring about anything but money? Thats just not true but I guess it helps your "argument" whatever that may be.

Because in the end, it is true. If you didn't you wouldn't give two shits about this crap. Back when I was gigging and putting out records, we ran a distro, we traded, gave shit away, if you made your money back from putting out a seven inch you were successful, we didn't care about money, didn't give a shit if you copied our record and gave it out to all your friends, it just didn't matter, what mattered was the music, and ideas.

If the bar for xjohns dollars is godly then nothing will get your dollars. I guarantee that you only have this attitude because you have the power to consume for free.

Damn straight if someone wants me to shell out close to $60-70 for a video game it better not be a beta.

 

[BoberFett]

What pirated version of a movie is superior to a bought copy?

All of them? The pirated versions, to my knowledge, don't have 10 minutes of forced commercials at the beginning. They're also in a convenient portable format that can be watched on any device without artificial limitations. I've ripped all my DVDs to XviD purely for convenience over shuffling DVDs. I suppose you think that makes me a dirty criminal too?

 

[dmcowen674]

Corporatism, bought and paid for government (all 3 branches), it's very sad.

This but it is not sad if you personally gain from said corporatism like many in here do.

 

[nonlnear]

All of them? The pirated versions, to my knowledge, don't have 10 minutes of forced commercials at the beginning. They're also in a convenient portable format that can be watched on any device without artificial limitations. I've ripped all my DVDs to XviD purely for convenience over shuffling DVDs. I suppose you think that makes me a dirty criminal too?

Somehow I doubt a compelling rebuttal will be forthcoming.

 

[JSt0rm]

Because in the end, it is true. If you didn't you wouldn't give two shits about this crap. Back when I was gigging and putting out records, we ran a distro, we traded, gave shit away, if you made your money back from putting out a seven inch you were successful, we didn't care about money, didn't give a shit if you copied our record and gave it out to all your friends, it just didn't matter, what mattered was the music, and ideas.

I already stated the difference between movies and music. You don't want to see them.

 

[JSt0rm]

All of them? The pirated versions, to my knowledge, don't have 10 minutes of forced commercials at the beginning. They're also in a convenient portable format that can be watched on any device without artificial limitations. I've ripped all my DVDs to XviD purely for convenience over shuffling DVDs. I suppose you think that makes me a dirty criminal too?

You are allowed to download a digital copy from your bluray disks and put them on your portable devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_copy

So the industry is hearing your complaints.

 

[JSt0rm]

you guys seriously didnt know about this feature?

 

[comptr6]

You are allowed to download a digital copy from your bluray disks and put them on your portable devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_copy

So the industry is hearing your complaints.

That's an amazing feature! But one question...Since the consumer paid for the DVD why can't they just copy it to whatever device they want? Why would it expire? Why would they be charged extra for it?

To limit the number of free digital copies, the disc typically comes with a single-use code to authenticate a computer over the internet. Alternatively, content owners can offer the digital copy feature as a paid service. Often the authentication code has an expiration date rendering the copy invalid if unused before this time.

Customers who buy the physical DVD of Warner Brothers' "Superman Returns" in a Wal-Mart store will have the option of downloading a digital copy of the film to their portable devices for $1.97, personal computer for $2.97, or both for $3.97

 

[JSt0rm]

That's an amazing feature! But one question...Since the consumer paid for the DVD why can't they just copy it to whatever device they want? Why would it expire? Why would they be charged extra for it?

The consumer paid for the dvd copy or blu ray copy. They did not pay for unlimited digital rights.

 

[irishScott]

All of them? The pirated versions, to my knowledge, don't have 10 minutes of forced commercials at the beginning. They're also in a convenient portable format that can be watched on any device without artificial limitations. I've ripped all my DVDs to XviD purely for convenience over shuffling DVDs. I suppose you think that makes me a dirty criminal too?

None of my commercials are forced.

Right-click -> Menu

Works 90% of the time. And if that doesn't work, fast forward does and turns 10 minutes into .3 minutes. So at worst it's exactly like VHS. Oh the horror.

 

[comptr6]

The consumer paid for the dvd copy or blu ray copy. They did not pay for unlimited digital rights.

So in other words BobberFett's pirated movies are a superior product because they don't charge him for copies of movies he already owns or come with restrictive DRM or limit how many times and on what devices he can use them?

 

[JSt0rm]

So in other words BobberFett's pirated movies are a superior product because they don't charge him for copies of movies he already owns or come with restrictive DRM or limit how many times and on what devices he can use them?

Yup. And they are free. Cant beat that can we?

 

[comptr6]

Yup. And they are free. Cant beat that can we?

So why are you punishing the people who you know are buying your product? If anything that makes the pirates look better.

Furthermore, since people don't rewatch the same thing over and over why are limit how and when they their Digital Copies?

 

[JSt0rm]

So why are you punishing the people who you know are buying your product? If anything that makes the pirates look better.

Furthermore, since people don't rewatch the same thing over and over why are limit how and when they their Digital Copies?

How is giving options punishment?

People rewatch movies of course. My point was people continue to consume NEW media. They dont buy 10 dvd's in their life and say ok I have my movies for the rest of my life.

 

[irishScott]

So why are you punishing the people who you know are buying your product? If anything that makes the pirates look better.

Furthermore, since people don't rewatch the same thing over and over why are limit how and when they their Digital Copies?

If they don't re-watch, well that's why we invented rentals. I can rent blu-rays for $1 a night out of a machine at a local drug store.

 

[xj0hnx]

I already stated the difference between movies and music. You don't want to see them.

I already stated you care about the money, you don't want to admit that.

Piracy is piracy, are you trying to say that someone is stealing movies, but not stealing music?

 

[JSt0rm]

I already stated you care about the money, you don't want to admit that.

Ok whatever asshole.

Piracy is piracy, are you trying to say that someone is stealing movies, but not stealing music?

No. Not at all.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ok whatever asshole.

You can try to deny it, and call me names all you want, but it boils down to money.

No. Not at all.

No, you're not saying that, or no, they aren't stealing it?

 

[comptr6]

How is giving options punishment?

People use to have the options of legally making copies of DVDs for themselves thanks to "fair use". The MPAA and the RIAA helped get the Digital Millennium Copyright Act passed which made this illegal.

The options we are now legally given (limited to/paying extra for) are really DRM restricted, limited use versions of what consumers use to be able to do legally on their own.

People rewatch movies of course. My point was people continue to consume NEW media. They dont buy 10 dvd's in their life and say ok I have my movies for the rest of my life.

Ok, that aside my question is still the same, why charge and or restrict people in how they use their "Digital copy"?