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Super56K

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Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
They should make it so that you can't open the jewel case. That's the ultimate protection.
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Lol, some 16 year old Russian genius would just figure out how to clone them enmasse. :)

Then the RIAA would just have to kill us all.
 
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paperfist

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Here's the problem with the RIAA:

"He said that you can't make an extra copy of Windows or virtually any other software."

Clearly they are stuck with Stone Age knowledge...
 
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The RIAA reminds me of a spoiled, fat child acting petulant because mommy put him on a bit of a diet. Fsck em, fsck em hard. Yaarrrr!!
 
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All the time? Really? Well I guess we have some more s**tware to put in the toilet, do we now? And hopefully more media humiliation per each new rootkit.

Besides, most protections of game CDs aren't rootkits. For SafeDisc4 it is simple code to detect "scsi" under a certain registry key. If it were really a rootkit they would be a lot more clever than that, either that or they're idiots which wouldn't surprise me, considering the person who wrote the infamous Sony/F4I aries.sys didn't know the basics of multithreading. If you don't want this crapware on your PC via an audio CD, just disable autorun and don't run anything off the audio CD. In fact I'll go and do that right now.

Don't let them put this crap on your PC. Here's a reg file for Win2K/XP to disable autorun for all CDs. You'll have to reboot after merging the key. 'Save target as' the link below.

http://home.comcast.net/~asmatte/2kxp_disable_autorun.reg
 
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Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Frodolives
So it's okay to violent my content but not theirs? Man do I hate them!
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No, its not ok.

AUSTIN, Texas - The state sued Sony BMG Music Entertainment on Monday under its new anti-spyware law, saying anti-piracy technology the company slipped into music CDs leaves huge security holes on consumers' computers. The lawsuit is over the so-called XCP technology that Sony had added to more than 50 CDs to restrict to three the number of times a single disc could be copied. After a storm of criticism, Sony recalled the discs last week.
 
MrChad

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Typically terrible Inquirer article. What Cary Sherman said:

Cary Sherman: There is nothing unusual about technology being used to protect intellectual property. You can't simply make an extra copy of a Microsoft operating system, or virtually any other commercially-released software program for that matter. Same with videogames. Movies, too, are protected. Why should CDs be any different?

Cary Sherman: The problem with the SonyBMG situation is that the technology they used contained a security vulnerability of which they were unaware. They have apologized for their mistake, ceased manufacture of CDs with that technology,and pulled CDs with that technology from store shelves. Seems very responsible to me. How many times that software applications created the same problem? Lots. I wonder whether they've taken as aggressive steps as SonyBMG has when those vulnerabilities were discovered, or did they just post a patch on the Internet?

Cary Sherman: One other thing to point out: The music industry has been more permissive about copying of its copyrighted product than virtually any other industry. How many burns are you allowed of a movie? None. How many of a videogame? None. You get the idea. Even the CDs with content protection allow consumers to burn 3 copies or so for personal use. The idea is not to inhibit personal use, but to allow personal use but discourage (not prevent, you can never prevent) copying well beyond personal use.
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He never backs Sony's use of a "spyware rootkit" per se, but rather it's use of "technology ... used to protect intellectual property". As much as I abhor the particular technology that Sony has chosen, Sherman is only defending DRM technologies in general here. Sherman acknowledges the security vulnerabilities of Sony's implementation even if he does understate their severity.
 
AnitaPeterson

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Wait a minute... going back to theoriginal CD specifications... I don't remember these mechanisms being OK'd by the makers of the CompactDisc... Of course, Sony is one of them, but still... they should't even be able to use the CompactDisc logo, under these circumstances.
 
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Czar

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Typically terrible Inquirer article. What Cary Sherman said:

Cary Sherman: There is nothing unusual about technology being used to protect intellectual property. You can't simply make an extra copy of a Microsoft operating system, or virtually any other commercially-released software program for that matter. Same with videogames. Movies, too, are protected. Why should CDs be any different?

Cary Sherman: The problem with the SonyBMG situation is that the technology they used contained a security vulnerability of which they were unaware. They have apologized for their mistake, ceased manufacture of CDs with that technology,and pulled CDs with that technology from store shelves. Seems very responsible to me. How many times that software applications created the same problem? Lots. I wonder whether they've taken as aggressive steps as SonyBMG has when those vulnerabilities were discovered, or did they just post a patch on the Internet?

Cary Sherman: One other thing to point out: The music industry has been more permissive about copying of its copyrighted product than virtually any other industry. How many burns are you allowed of a movie? None. How many of a videogame? None. You get the idea. Even the CDs with content protection allow consumers to burn 3 copies or so for personal use. The idea is not to inhibit personal use, but to allow personal use but discourage (not prevent, you can never prevent) copying well beyond personal use.
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He never backs Sony's use of a "spyware rootkit" per se, but rather it's use of "technology ... used to protect intellectual property". As much as I abhor the particular technology that Sony has chosen, Sherman is only defending DRM technologies in general here. Sherman acknowledges the security vulnerabilities of Sony's implementation even if he does understate their severity.
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Sony ok'd their rootkit, if they didnt support it they wouldnt have used it
 
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Lonyo

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Wait a minute... going back to theoriginal CD specifications... I don't remember these mechanisms being OK'd by the makers of the CompactDisc... Of course, Sony is one of them, but still... they should't even be able to use the CompactDisc logo, under these circumstances.
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Philips owns the CD logo, and Sony aren't allowed to use it on non-standard discs.
Philips have said if there are copy protections (like the one circumvented by using a marker around the edge of a disc), that stop it being read properly in a PC CD-ROM drive, then the CD cannot carrd the CD logo, IIRC.


The RIAA point about making copies of software/films is also VERY retarded, it's like comparing bicycles to cars, you can't do it.
People listen to music all the time, all over the place, that's evidenced by the success of portable music players, and the difference is that films and games aren't played all over the place, as seen by the comparatively small market share of portable games machines and portable movie players.
Music is MEANT to be listened to all over the place, hell it was Sony themselves who invented the goddamn Walkman. Nowadays people want small things with their music on, so carrying around CD's isn't practical, so we need ways of transferring music, or people want to play a CD in their car while also having a copy at home so they don't have to take the CD out of their car all the time.
You don't watch films or play games in your car (I am assuming a single person in a car), but you can listen to music.
 
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