Rhode Island bans ridiculous abstinence program

conjur

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http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2006/03/23/news/news8.txt
PROVIDENCE - Rhode Island education officials have banned from public schools a federally funded abstinence program that civil rights advocates said embraced sexist stereotypes and included a voluntary student health survey that violated privacy laws.

Lawyers at the Rhode Island affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union first complained last year that a now-abandoned textbook used by Heritage of Rhode Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

A speaker on an accompanying videotape said abstinence helped him "honor my relationship with Jesus," although Heritage officials said the tape wasn't used in public schools.

"The curriculum had these incredible sexist viewpoints about men and women and boys and girls that seemed to come out of the nineteenth century," said Steven Brown, executive director of the state's ACLU.

Authorities at the private health education firm said they stopped using the disputed materials a year ago.

"The issues they're asking about are old, dead stuff," said Chris Plante, executive director of Heritage of Rhode Island. He said he plans to meet this spring with state education officials to work out a mutually acceptable curriculum.
AD (_middle)

To measure the Heritage program's effectiveness, students also had been asked to complete a voluntary survey in class that included questions about their sexual history. The survey asked students to provide their birthdays and the first letter of their first name.

Heritage officials used information from the surveys to track changes in student opinion before, during and after the classes.

"We don't use the survey anymore because we thought the concerns of the ACLU were valid," Plante said.

The complaint from the ACLU was part of a national effort to monitor the curriculum of federally funded abstinence programs. In February, the federal government agreed to stop funding one abstinence initiative because it allegedly used tax money for religious purposes.

Heritage of Rhode Island has a three-year grant from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that provides $400,200 annually, a department spokesman said. The group has presented its curriculum to more than 600 public school students in Providence, Pawtucket and Woonsocket.

Pawtucket's top school official complained that he was duped by Heritage officials and halted the program even before a parent complained to the ACLU.

"We really don't promulgate any religious opinion in this school system. I think basically that's what they were trying to do here," Pawtucket Schools Superintendent Hans Dellith said.

In a letter issued last week, Education Commissioner Peter McWalters said the Heritage classes were never approved by state authorities. He announced his office would review the health and AIDS curriculums of every school district in the state.

"They need guidance, that's the real issue," said Elliot Krieger, a spokesman for McWalters.

Plante said his instructors work with public school teachers to provide a "clear and unapologetic" message backing sexual abstinence. The textbook that irked ACLU officials came with curriculum materials purchased from a South Carolina group. Plante said he dropped the book after a parent complained.

"Out of the box from South Carolina, things just didn't translate here," Plante said. "We realized this was going to take a whole working over, but it was a good place to start."
Woo hoo!

I'd like to know a bit more about this Heritage of Rhode Island, too. Is this another of those faith-based organizations that's getting our federal tax dollars to fund their agenda? They are apparently associated with The Heritage Foundation (neocon think-tank) and do offer Faith Community Services through their parent company, Heritage Community Services of South Carolina.

Hopefully more and more states will realize abstinence-only education is a joke and is only endangering children and wasting our taxpayer dollars.
 

DealMonkey

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What a bunch of freaks. Oh and this is the school's spokesperson responding to the charges of being hopelessly old fashioned: "The issues they're asking about are old, dead stuff," said Chris Plante, executive director of Heritage of Rhode Island

Ummm, "old dead stuff?" WTF? Is this guy a retard? I would think the executive director of a school could be a little more eloquent than that.
 

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"We really don't promulgate any religious opinion in this school system. I think basically that's what they were trying to do here," Pawtucket Schools Superintendent Hans Dellith said.

Thanks to the ACLU, you do now. And sadly, the religion now being promulgated is one of the worst of all? hedonism.





"The curriculum had these incredible sexist viewpoints about men and women and boys and girls that seemed to come out of the nineteenth century," said Steven Brown, executive director of the state's ACLU.

Yet the only thing cited was?

Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.
 

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Jesus Freaks
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OUR MISSION

Heritage of Rhode Island is committed to the health and well-being of Rhode Island's young people, their families and communities. Our mission is to provide them with resources, support and training necessary to achieve the brightest and most promising future possible.

One of the biggest hazards to our children's futures is their sexual health and related high-risk behaviors. Each year, younger and younger children are becoming involved in sexual activity resulting in infection, disease, untimely pregnancy and emotional scarring. By extension these unwanted personal consequences have economic, social and educational repercussions for our families, communities and State.

Heritage believes the root of these problems is a culture that condones and, in fact, markets sex and other risk behaviors to our adolescents. Mass media presents these behaviors as glamorous and free from consequences. At the same time many adults in our communities believe teen sexual activity to be inevitable, seeking only to reduce the risks involved.

Heritage believes that Rhode Island's young people can, and will, make the choice to be abstinent from sexual activity and other related risk behaviors when provided with the necessary resources and support.

Heritage can provide many of the resources, but the primary support must come from the parents, school teachers, coaches, faith leaders and friends that surround each one of our State's teens. Therefore Heritage's strategy employs a systemic approach to reaching as many of our children's influencers as possible with the message that choosing to be abstinent from sexual activity and other risky behaviors is not only possible, but the healthiest choice they can make.

As Rhode Island's youth make the choice to be abstinent they will be free from the negative consequences of risky behavior and free to pursue the brightest future possible for themselves, their families and communities.
besides committing the unpardonable web-sin of having "under construction" on that page - what do you have issue with?


I think its fine for schools to push abstinence, but as long as sex ed stuff is covered: BC, STDS, reproductive health, etc.

Something along the lines: This is sex, this is what happens, this is what you can do to prevent A, B, C, here are some emtional factors, here are the risks - this is what we recommend: abstinence.
 

Todd33

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Let's play "Which right wing forum troll was stinkz before his ban".....
 

stinkz

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Let's play "Which right wing forum troll was stinkz before his ban".....

You can't play that, you're already playing "lets make posts that have no content."
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Let's play "Which right wing forum troll was stinkz before his ban".....

Because silly ad hominem attacks are germane to the issue at hand, I suppose? :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: stinkz
"We really don't promulgate any religious opinion in this school system. I think basically that's what they were trying to do here," Pawtucket Schools Superintendent Hans Dellith said.

Thanks to the ACLU, you do now. And sadly, the religion now being promulgated is one of the worst of all? hedonism.





"The curriculum had these incredible sexist viewpoints about men and women and boys and girls that seemed to come out of the nineteenth century," said Steven Brown, executive director of the state's ACLU.

Yet the only thing cited was?

Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.

Buddy, just because you can't have sex with fine women doesn't mean we shouldn't either.
 
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Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: stinkz
"We really don't promulgate any religious opinion in this school system. I think basically that's what they were trying to do here," Pawtucket Schools Superintendent Hans Dellith said.

Thanks to the ACLU, you do now. And sadly, the religion now being promulgated is one of the worst of all? hedonism.





"The curriculum had these incredible sexist viewpoints about men and women and boys and girls that seemed to come out of the nineteenth century," said Steven Brown, executive director of the state's ACLU.

Yet the only thing cited was?

Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.

Buddy, just because you can't have sex doesn't mean we shouldn't either.


fixed ;)

 

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quote:
Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."



How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.

Right. Then when someone starts telling you you're not raising your kid right you'll start whining about how it's not their business.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: stinkz
Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.

Yeah, cuz if you only accept Jesus into your heart, all your sexual desires will be gone.
 
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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: stinkz
Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.

Yeah, cuz if you only accept Jesus into your heart, all your sexual desires will be gone.

Just ask a couple priests...
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: stinkz
Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

How dare we condemn lewdness and exalt virtues. Liberals make me sick.

Yeah, cuz if you only accept Jesus into your heart, all your sexual desires will be gone.

Just ask a couple priests...

But their urges are holy!! :thumbup;
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2006/03/23/news/news8.txt
PROVIDENCE - Rhode Island education officials have banned from public schools a federally funded abstinence program that civil rights advocates said embraced sexist stereotypes and included a voluntary student health survey that violated privacy laws.

Lawyers at the Rhode Island affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union first complained last year that a now-abandoned textbook used by Heritage of Rhode Island taught students that girls should wear clothing that doesn't invite "lustful thoughts" from boys. The book described men as "strong" and "courageous" while women were called "caring."

A speaker on an accompanying videotape said abstinence helped him "honor my relationship with Jesus," although Heritage officials said the tape wasn't used in public schools.

"The curriculum had these incredible sexist viewpoints about men and women and boys and girls that seemed to come out of the nineteenth century," said Steven Brown, executive director of the state's ACLU.

Authorities at the private health education firm said they stopped using the disputed materials a year ago.

"The issues they're asking about are old, dead stuff," said Chris Plante, executive director of Heritage of Rhode Island. He said he plans to meet this spring with state education officials to work out a mutually acceptable curriculum.
AD (_middle)

To measure the Heritage program's effectiveness, students also had been asked to complete a voluntary survey in class that included questions about their sexual history. The survey asked students to provide their birthdays and the first letter of their first name.

Heritage officials used information from the surveys to track changes in student opinion before, during and after the classes.

"We don't use the survey anymore because we thought the concerns of the ACLU were valid," Plante said.

The complaint from the ACLU was part of a national effort to monitor the curriculum of federally funded abstinence programs. In February, the federal government agreed to stop funding one abstinence initiative because it allegedly used tax money for religious purposes.

Heritage of Rhode Island has a three-year grant from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that provides $400,200 annually, a department spokesman said. The group has presented its curriculum to more than 600 public school students in Providence, Pawtucket and Woonsocket.

Pawtucket's top school official complained that he was duped by Heritage officials and halted the program even before a parent complained to the ACLU.

"We really don't promulgate any religious opinion in this school system. I think basically that's what they were trying to do here," Pawtucket Schools Superintendent Hans Dellith said.

In a letter issued last week, Education Commissioner Peter McWalters said the Heritage classes were never approved by state authorities. He announced his office would review the health and AIDS curriculums of every school district in the state.

"They need guidance, that's the real issue," said Elliot Krieger, a spokesman for McWalters.

Plante said his instructors work with public school teachers to provide a "clear and unapologetic" message backing sexual abstinence. The textbook that irked ACLU officials came with curriculum materials purchased from a South Carolina group. Plante said he dropped the book after a parent complained.

"Out of the box from South Carolina, things just didn't translate here," Plante said. "We realized this was going to take a whole working over, but it was a good place to start."
Woo hoo!

I'd like to know a bit more about this Heritage of Rhode Island, too. Is this another of those faith-based organizations that's getting our federal tax dollars to fund their agenda? They are apparently associated with The Heritage Foundation (neocon think-tank) and do offer Faith Community Services through their parent company, Heritage Community Services of South Carolina.

Hopefully more and more states will realize abstinence-only education is a joke and is only endangering children and wasting our taxpayer dollars.

You see these guys should have realized two things number one if you take money from the Man you must follow the Man's rules, and number two the ACLU will strongly oppose the mixing of religion and schools if you belong to the wrong religion like Christianity.;)

ACLU: Guardians of Liberty or 'Card-Carrying' Hypocrites?

Religion in Public Schools
Even the Pledge of Allegiance is not safe from the ACLU, which tried to convince the Supreme Court that public schools should not lead children in saying "under God." "The government should not be asking impressionable schoolchildren to affirm their allegiance to God at the same time that they are affirming their allegiance to the country," according to ACLU Legal Director Steven R. Shapiro.38


The ACLU argues that 12-year-olds are mature enough to decide on their own whether to have an abortion, but they're too impressionable to decide whether they want to say the Pledge of Allegiance. For now, school officials may continue to lead children who want to say the Pledge.


In its crusade for the "separation of church and state," a phrase found nowhere in the Constitution, the ACLU filed suit in June 2004 to prohibit a Kansas City school district from distributing Gideon Bibles to students.39 Dick Kurtenbach, executive director of the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri, stated, "The role of the public school is to be neutral on matters of religion." In a settlement agreement, the school district agreed not to distribute the Bibles or allow nonstudents to distribute Bibles on school premises.


Since 2002, a California public school has required seventh graders to participate in a course teaching the tenets of Islam. The children must adopt a Muslim name, memorize Islamic phrases and proverbs, and learn the prayers to Allah. One outraged parent asked, "Can you imagine the barrage of lawsuits and problems we would have from the ACLU if Christianity were taught in the public schools? ? This is hypocrisy."40 Despite national media attention, the ACLU has yet to challenge the school's curriculum.41


But when Kathleen Madigan, principal of Berkley Gardens Elementary School in Denver, Colorado, wanted to sue Kenneth Roberts, a fifth grade teacher, the ACLU came to Madigan's aid. Why? "Roberts kept a Bible on his desk, and read it during his students' silent reading period. Madigan curtly told Roberts that she expected him to keep the Bible off his desk between 8:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m."42 A court ruled that the location of the Bible was an unconstitutional establishment of religion.


The ACLU of Florida filed a lawsuit in federal court to stop the Lee County School District from teaching an "unconstitutional" Bible History course that uses the Bible as though it is a history textbook.43 To the ACLU, Bibles and Bible history courses are not constitutional but, apparently, indoctrinating children with Islam is


 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: stinkz
And sadly, the religion now being promulgated is one of the worst of all? hedonism.

So where do I join this religion of hedonism? Can I become a priest there? I'd like to offer communion to beautiful women so they can drink of my body...
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: stinkz
And sadly, the religion now being promulgated is one of the worst of all? hedonism.

So where do I join this religion of hedonism? Can I become a priest there? I'd like to offer communion to beautiful women so they can drink of my body...

Well, in the religion of the flying spaghetti monster, you get a beer volcano and a stripper factory when you get to heaven.
 

thraashman

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Religion in Public Schools
Even the Pledge of Allegiance is not safe from the ACLU, which tried to convince the Supreme Court that public schools should not lead children in saying "under God." "The government should not be asking impressionable schoolchildren to affirm their allegiance to God at the same time that they are affirming their allegiance to the country," according to ACLU Legal Director Steven R. Shapiro.38


The ACLU argues that 12-year-olds are mature enough to decide on their own whether to have an abortion, but they're too impressionable to decide whether they want to say the Pledge of Allegiance. For now, school officials may continue to lead children who want to say the Pledge.


In its crusade for the "separation of church and state," a phrase found nowhere in the Constitution, the ACLU filed suit in June 2004 to prohibit a Kansas City school district from distributing Gideon Bibles to students.39 Dick Kurtenbach, executive director of the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri, stated, "The role of the public school is to be neutral on matters of religion." In a settlement agreement, the school district agreed not to distribute the Bibles or allow nonstudents to distribute Bibles on school premises.


Since 2002, a California public school has required seventh graders to participate in a course teaching the tenets of Islam. The children must adopt a Muslim name, memorize Islamic phrases and proverbs, and learn the prayers to Allah. One outraged parent asked, "Can you imagine the barrage of lawsuits and problems we would have from the ACLU if Christianity were taught in the public schools? ? This is hypocrisy."40 Despite national media attention, the ACLU has yet to challenge the school's curriculum.41


But when Kathleen Madigan, principal of Berkley Gardens Elementary School in Denver, Colorado, wanted to sue Kenneth Roberts, a fifth grade teacher, the ACLU came to Madigan's aid. Why? "Roberts kept a Bible on his desk, and read it during his students' silent reading period. Madigan curtly told Roberts that she expected him to keep the Bible off his desk between 8:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m."42 A court ruled that the location of the Bible was an unconstitutional establishment of religion.


The ACLU of Florida filed a lawsuit in federal court to stop the Lee County School District from teaching an "unconstitutional" Bible History course that uses the Bible as though it is a history textbook.43 To the ACLU, Bibles and Bible history courses are not constitutional but, apparently, indoctrinating children with Islam is

Ok, assuming he doesn't read the book to his students I don't see why this is a problem. Even though it's a Bible, it's a book. And if the teacher chose to have any other book they probably wouldn't care. For this either there's something more there that we don't know aobut, or there is one huge misunderstanding.

As far as the Bible History course, I have no problem teaching the bible as a philosophy course, elective religion course, or cultural studies course, but it is not history or science. And I don't know all the details, but it sounds like the Islam course is a cultural studies course, which makes it fully constituional. It's not different than making all kids take a African American heritage course. It's all in how it's presented.
 

Banzai042

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Originally posted by: thraashman
Religion in Public Schools
Even the Pledge of Allegiance is not safe from the ACLU, which tried to convince the Supreme Court that public schools should not lead children in saying "under God." "The government should not be asking impressionable schoolchildren to affirm their allegiance to God at the same time that they are affirming their allegiance to the country," according to ACLU Legal Director Steven R. Shapiro.38


The ACLU argues that 12-year-olds are mature enough to decide on their own whether to have an abortion, but they're too impressionable to decide whether they want to say the Pledge of Allegiance. For now, school officials may continue to lead children who want to say the Pledge.


In its crusade for the "separation of church and state," a phrase found nowhere in the Constitution, the ACLU filed suit in June 2004 to prohibit a Kansas City school district from distributing Gideon Bibles to students.39 Dick Kurtenbach, executive director of the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri, stated, "The role of the public school is to be neutral on matters of religion." In a settlement agreement, the school district agreed not to distribute the Bibles or allow nonstudents to distribute Bibles on school premises.


Since 2002, a California public school has required seventh graders to participate in a course teaching the tenets of Islam. The children must adopt a Muslim name, memorize Islamic phrases and proverbs, and learn the prayers to Allah. One outraged parent asked, "Can you imagine the barrage of lawsuits and problems we would have from the ACLU if Christianity were taught in the public schools? ? This is hypocrisy."40 Despite national media attention, the ACLU has yet to challenge the school's curriculum.41


But when Kathleen Madigan, principal of Berkley Gardens Elementary School in Denver, Colorado, wanted to sue Kenneth Roberts, a fifth grade teacher, the ACLU came to Madigan's aid. Why? "Roberts kept a Bible on his desk, and read it during his students' silent reading period. Madigan curtly told Roberts that she expected him to keep the Bible off his desk between 8:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m."42 A court ruled that the location of the Bible was an unconstitutional establishment of religion.


The ACLU of Florida filed a lawsuit in federal court to stop the Lee County School District from teaching an "unconstitutional" Bible History course that uses the Bible as though it is a history textbook.43 To the ACLU, Bibles and Bible history courses are not constitutional but, apparently, indoctrinating children with Islam is

Ok, assuming he doesn't read the book to his students I don't see why this is a problem. Even though it's a Bible, it's a book. And if the teacher chose to have any other book they probably wouldn't care. For this either there's something more there that we don't know aobut, or there is one huge misunderstanding.

As far as the Bible History course, I have no problem teaching the bible as a philosophy course, elective religion course, or cultural studies course, but it is not history or science. And I don't know all the details, but it sounds like the Islam course is a cultural studies course, which makes it fully constituional. It's not different than making all kids take a African American heritage course. It's all in how it's presented.

So then you're saying if there was a course that forced students to memorize bible verses and proverbs, learn various christian prayers (such as the lords prayer, and adopt a steriotypical christian name and then called it a study in christian culture there would be no problem whatsoever? Because that's the exact same thing as what's being done with that "islamic culture" class, just with islam instead of christianity.

I think that the point of the incident with the teacher having a bible on his desk is to show the attitude of the ACLU towards christianity.

As far as the topic at hand, I do think that it's a bit rediculous to expect that an abstinance only program will work. Persionally i think the best option at this point would be to say "Ok, these are the risks (list STD, pregnancy, emotional issues), the only way that you can 100% avoid/prevent these risks is abstinence, however, if you think that the risks are worth it then here are your options for minimizing that risk"

 

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Originally posted by: conjur

Hopefully more and more states will realize abstinence-only education is a joke and is only endangering children and wasting our taxpayer dollars.

Umm, how does abstinence endanger our children? Teaches them the value of a relationship, helps prevents them from contracting STD, and alleviates the concern of becoming a parent while still a teenager, or a single parent (baring accident or divorce).

CURSE YOU ABSTINENCE!!!! HOW DARE YOU DO SUCH A THING!!!!
 

judasmachine

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home school your kids if you want to teach them bible tales . don't you people go to sunday school anyway?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: conjur

Hopefully more and more states will realize abstinence-only education is a joke and is only endangering children and wasting our taxpayer dollars.
Umm, how does abstinence endanger our children? Teaches them the value of a relationship, helps prevents them from contracting STD, and alleviates the concern of becoming a parent while still a teenager, or a single parent (baring accident or divorce).

CURSE YOU ABSTINENCE!!!! HOW DARE YOU DO SUCH A THING!!!!
Highlighted for the reading comprehension impaired.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: conjur

Hopefully more and more states will realize abstinence-only education is a joke and is only endangering children and wasting our taxpayer dollars.
Umm, how does abstinence endanger our children? Teaches them the value of a relationship, helps prevents them from contracting STD, and alleviates the concern of becoming a parent while still a teenager, or a single parent (baring accident or divorce).

CURSE YOU ABSTINENCE!!!! HOW DARE YOU DO SUCH A THING!!!!
Highlighted for the reading comprehension impaired.

Also highlighted for the reading comprehension imparied, since you never answered the question. A persons idea that abstinence is the "only education" doesn't answer the question of why abstinence overall is endangering to our children?
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: conjur

Hopefully more and more states will realize abstinence-only education is a joke and is only endangering children and wasting our taxpayer dollars.
Umm, how does abstinence endanger our children? Teaches them the value of a relationship, helps prevents them from contracting STD, and alleviates the concern of becoming a parent while still a teenager, or a single parent (baring accident or divorce).

CURSE YOU ABSTINENCE!!!! HOW DARE YOU DO SUCH A THING!!!!
Highlighted for the reading comprehension impaired.

Also highlighted for the reading comprehension imparied, since you never answered the question. A persons idea that abstinence is the "only education" doesn't answer the question of why abstinence overall is endangering to our children?

Uh, no one is saying that staying abstinent is dangerous. No one says that, ever.

The danger is when sex ed consists of "stay abstinent." End of course. This line of thinking endangers the millions of people who don't strictly follow the teachings of religionists and have sex prior to marriage, unaware of consequences and protections.