RG3

[Sho'Nuff]

I agree that RGIII is a beast. But he needs to tone down his running game, else his time in the league will be short. Just ask any of the hundreds of running backs that were ~200lbs and spent less than 5 years in the league.

IMO, he should use his speed to open the field by rolling out to the right and left more, and then kill opposing defenses with his arm. Granted, that means he will need some weapons at WR (something Washington doesn't have now). If he keeps running around downfield he is going to get popped. A few more like the other week and he will have trouble remembering his name, much less what the score is.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I read this morning that the Cardinals are considering signing Young.

I heard that, too. Good luck with that one, Arizona...

Anyway, it is WAY too early to call Newton a bust, especially given the rookie season he had. Thus far, his rating from last year to this year has dropped only 5 points. If he maintains that rating the rest of the year, you can say he had a mediocre season but certainly not terrible (current rating is 79).

Rating isn't a meaningless statistic but it's not nearly as important as potential and personality. Newton has very limited potential and a poor personality. I'm skeptical that even terrible Carolina will want to build around him. I will be shocked if he ever takes them to the playoffs.

If we're that quick to label QBs as busts, I suggest you head over here and look at this terrible, terrible bust and his terrible years between 1988 and 1992.

See above. I'm too young to have watched Elway's early NFL career but it's clear from old footage that he had potential (he was very intelligent), and the right personality. Newton has neither of these.

P.S. And yes, my gut tells me Newton won't ever be anything above mediocre, but we'll see.

An overall #1 pick who ends up being mediocre at best is a terrible, terrible bust.

 

[Red Storm]

RGIII is a MUCH needed breath of fresh air for Skins fans. Even when we lose the game is entertaining because he's just so damn good.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

actually, AMDZen did say the skins were loaded with talent, which is who i made that post in reply to.

also, no one implied they were as bad as the colts were last year. and records state the fact that the colts were worse than the redskins.

talking about receivers, the skins are in the same spot as the colts with receivers. other than carczon who has played like 2 quarters for the skins, and moss who is like a #4 now, there isn't 1 receiver on the skins that anyone outside of skins fans could name.

and about people's names who you recognize on defense? who gives a shit if they are being productive. look at this list here:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...OTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

colts are 16, redskins are 29. so yes, the colts defense is better than the redskins.

The Colts defense has played a couple good halves of football. Otherwise, they've been steamrolled.

Now, what you need to do is deconstruct those stats because they are deceptive. Want to guess why the Colts rank higher than the Skins? Check out the passing defense ranking. The Colts are #6 in the NFL. That's great, right? NOT SO FAST! Sort by attempts. The Colts are one of the least passed-on teams in the NFL (29th in attempts against, in fact). Why do you suppose that is? Check out the Colts run defense and you have your question answered. The fact that people don't pass on the Colts because they can run all over them is the ONLY reason the Colts rank higher in D. I guarantee that if attempts were comparable, the Colts would be dead last.

Also, that doesn't take into account that the Redskins have arguably played better offensive competition than the Colts have, which is why they have the lower rating overall. The only great offensive team the Colts have played so far is Green Bay, though they have done an outstanding job of making teams like Jacksonville look good. Wait until the Colts have played the Texans twice. They'll drop like a rock in defensive rankings.

 

[eits]

cam newton AND mike vick are more like a running back that can throw... rg3 is more like a quarterback that can run. there's a difference. that's why rg3 will get better over time. that's why vick and cam newton suck... they are more like running backs who can throw. they have distance and zip, but no accuracy or finesse. defenses figure that out and quickly. once you stop them from running so they can stay in the pocket in order to throw, they turn the ball over. vick's offensive line sucks ass right now... reid needs to let him loose and let him run and not throw, but i digress.

however, when you have a quarterback who has accuracy and intelligence and can read defenses who can run/scramble, like aaron rodgers or brett favre or even steve young, that's WAY more valuable and less of a risk down the road.

the only thing rg3 needs to learn right now is how to not get hurt and to accept when to end the fight for yardage so he can survive and be well enough to gain more yardage on the next down in a different way. he will keep defenses guessing. he's got accuracy, he's got a cannon, he's got humility and poise, he's got intelligence, and he's faster than any defensive player in the league.

with a strong offensive line, he is unstoppable. he only had 3 total turnovers (two interceptions and one lost fumble out of five total) with 11 touchdowns. he is the most accurate quarterback in the league.

would we be able to apply the same stats and attributes to cam newton? absolutely not. cam newton threw interceptions like rice at a wedding. he lacks poise, accuracy, and intelligence, but he can run. even with a strong offensive line, cam newton will still throw picks. if steve smith played for the redskins, he would probably be a top 5 receiver... however, he's playing with cam newton, so he's only been able to collect 398 total yards and no touchdowns. that's such a waste of steve smith's talent.

 

[hclarkjr]

He's playing like a prodigy. Stepping into the nfl as a rookie with a qb rating >100 after 7 games. And he's pretty amazing to watch. Looks like Indy blew chunks on this one.

wait till Indycoltsfan sees you saying that!!! :whiste:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

wait till Indycoltsfan sees you saying that!!! :whiste:

He's simply wrong about Luck, as AMDZen pointed out.

I love Redskins fans. I really do. It doesn't seem to matter that you have the biggest jackass owner in all of the NFL who has no track record of winning -- EVER -- but somehow, magically, you're going to suddenly start being perennial champions because you got RG3. Who you would never have drafted if you had landed the top pick -- just thought I'd throw that out there.

Actually, you guys are kind of like Bills fans now that I think about it. I remember being chastised here when I made fun of the Bills for hiring Chan Gailey. Hey Bills fans, how's THAT working out for you? ROFL!

 

[hclarkjr]

He's simply wrong about Luck, as AMDZen pointed out.

I love Redskins fans. I really do. It doesn't seem to matter that you have the biggest jackass owner in all of the NFL who has no track record of winning -- EVER -- but somehow, magically, you're going to suddenly start being perennial champions because you got RG3. Who you would never have drafted if you had landed the top pick -- just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Hey, maybe Dan Snyder can hire Chan Gailey when Shanahan gets canned.

 

[hclarkjr]

i don't think he is going anywhere unless he retires

 

[eits]

i don't think he is going anywhere unless he retires

Yup. Best coach since Joe Gibbs.

 

[Nintendesert]

Yeah yeah yeah and everyone was slobbering over Cam Newton's cock too. We'll see how he does in the long term.

 

[Yongsta]

If you hear Vick & Newton talk, they don't seem too bright... RG3 actually sounds intelligent and he seems very mature for his age. I think RG3 has a very bright future on & off the football field.

 

[AMDZen]

I agree that RGIII is a beast. But he needs to tone down his running game, else his time in the league will be short. Just ask any of the hundreds of running backs that were ~200lbs and spent less than 5 years in the league.

IMO, he should use his speed to open the field by rolling out to the right and left more, and then kill opposing defenses with his arm. Granted, that means he will need some weapons at WR (something Washington doesn't have now). If he keeps running around downfield he is going to get popped. A few more like the other week and he will have trouble remembering his name, much less what the score is.

This, exactly.

His one question mark is durability. He's already shown he doesn't have it. He got concussed on his first hit

 

[Nintendesert]

If you hear Vick & Newton talk, they don't seem too bright... RG3 actually sounds intelligent and he seems very mature for his age. I think RG3 has a very bright future on & off the football field.

That is true, he sounds like he actually went to class in college.

 

[Phoenix86]

No. If you know anything about football then the only thing RGIII has in common with Vick is that they're both black.

I think a lot of people see a "black running QB" and don't realize RGIII is a passing QB who can (and knows when) to run. You see his rushing numbers and it lends credit to that.

You don't make adjustments to that, because the adjustment to a running QB is generally put one more guy in the box more often than normal. If you do that he'll be a more effective passer, unlike a running QB. I don't see people figuring him out and making him less effective because he isn't one dimensional.

 

[Phoenix86]

I agree that RGIII is a beast. But he needs to tone down his running game, else his time in the league will be short. Just ask any of the hundreds of running backs that were ~200lbs and spent less than 5 years in the league.

IMO, he should use his speed to open the field by rolling out to the right and left more, and then kill opposing defenses with his arm. Granted, that means he will need some weapons at WR (something Washington doesn't have now). If he keeps running around downfield he is going to get popped. A few more like the other week and he will have trouble remembering his name, much less what the score is.

This is his one down side. When he runs he runs like a running back taking hits to get yardage, he needs to go feet first more often. It won't wear him out to get 18 yards and not get hit vs. getting 20 and taking a hit.

 

[eits]

Yeah yeah yeah and everyone was slobbering over Cam Newton's cock too. We'll see how he does in the long term.

Did anyone read what I wrote about why Cam Newton is nothing like RG3?

 

[eits]

Man, there are a lot of morons who don't know what they're talking about in this thread... RG3 is like Vick? RG3 is like Can Newton?

Some of the dumbest shit regarding football that I've ever read.

 

[ichy]

If you hear Vick & Newton talk, they don't seem too bright... RG3 actually sounds intelligent and he seems very mature for his age. I think RG3 has a very bright future on & off the football field.

You should also compare family backgrounds. RG3's parents seem like solid, upstanding folks. I don't know much about Vick's parents, but considering what a low-life piece of trash his brother is I doubt he came from the greatest home.

 

[dmcowen674]

RG3

Was at the Giants/Skins game yesterday.
I was completely and totally impressed by Sir Robert the Third.
Here's the big difference IMO between Griffen and Vick, Newton, etc.
He makes smart decisions.
You don't often see him get hit after a 7 yard gain, because he doesn't take off and run unless he sees a wide open area. Then he takes off for 20-30 yards.
He has great vision and is good pocket passer as well.

As a Giants fan, he's gonna give us trouble for a long time.
Skins fans should be real happy with what they got.

I watched the Redkins game last week and was impressed by RGIII

He is what Vick was supposed to be like when he came on the scene.

Vick will retire a nothing while RGIII may very well be destined for the HOF.

 

[eits]

cam newton AND mike vick are more like a running back that can throw... rg3 is more like a quarterback that can run. there's a difference. that's why rg3 will get better over time. that's why vick and cam newton suck... they are more like running backs who can throw. they have distance and zip, but no accuracy or finesse. defenses figure that out and quickly. once you stop them from running so they can stay in the pocket in order to throw, they turn the ball over. vick's offensive line sucks ass right now... reid needs to let him loose and let him run and not throw, but i digress.

however, when you have a quarterback who has accuracy and intelligence and can read defenses who can run/scramble, like aaron rodgers or brett favre or even steve young, that's WAY more valuable and less of a risk down the road.

the only thing rg3 needs to learn right now is how to not get hurt and to accept when to end the fight for yardage so he can survive and be well enough to gain more yardage on the next down in a different way. he will keep defenses guessing. he's got accuracy, he's got a cannon, he's got humility and poise, he's got intelligence, and he's faster than any defensive player in the league.

with a strong offensive line, he is unstoppable. he only had 3 total turnovers (two interceptions and one lost fumble out of five total) with 11 touchdowns. he is the most accurate quarterback in the league.

would we be able to apply the same stats and attributes to cam newton? absolutely not. cam newton threw interceptions like rice at a wedding. he lacks poise, accuracy, and intelligence, but he can run. even with a strong offensive line, cam newton will still throw picks. if steve smith played for the redskins, he would probably be a top 5 receiver... however, he's playing with cam newton, so he's only been able to collect 398 total yards and no touchdowns. that's such a waste of steve smith's talent.

unless anyone can come up with an argument to this...

/thread

 

[purbeast0]

Man, there are a lot of morons who don't know what they're talking about in this thread... RG3 is like Vick? RG3 is like Can Newton?

Some of the dumbest shit regarding football that I've ever read.

to be fair, if the people aren't in the dc metro area they probably aren't exposed nearly as much as us locals are to the information about rg3.

but i do agree, there are a lot of people talking in this thread who seem to know nothing of what they speak.

 

[ThePresence]

RGIII may very well be destined for the HOF.

Let's relax with that. He's played all of 7 games in the NFL.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
RGIII may very well be destined for the HOF.

Let's relax with that. He's played all of 7 games in the NFL.

Sorry, habit when you are the Great NostraDaveous