RG3

[AMDZen]

His girlfriend has a NICE rack.

She's pretty freakin ugly if you ask me.

RG3=

Andrew Luck's =

Clearly Luck is ahead in all aspects of his life.

 

[ThePresence]

He is a fine athlete. Reminds me a little of Vick. Just pray RG3 doesn't start a dog slaughtering ring.

He is not Vick at all. Vick makes dumb decisions with when to run and when to pass. When he does run, he's trying to get around the corner of the defense, etc and usually ends up getting pummeled. RG3 does not do that. He runs when there's a wide open field and gets out of bounds. He also has better vision than Vick, throws a more accurate ball.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Luck's GF is super cute!

 

[ThePresence]

not sure if serious ... who is this "talent" that is surrounding him? how many pro-bowl players do the redskins have on offense?

Their rookie RB seems like the real deal. Other than that, not much to speak of (with Garcon on the shelf).

 

[ichy]

He is a fine athlete. Reminds me a little of Vick. Just pray RG3 doesn't start a dog slaughtering ring.

Unlike Michael Vick, RG3 isn't a low-life thug.

 

[AMDZen]

not sure if serious ... who is this "talent" that is surrounding him? how many pro-bowl players do the redskins have on offense?

Does it have to be on the offense? The Redskins defense is spectacular and that helps the defense by getting turnovers, keeping the other offense off the field, etc.

Granted, they have a lot of injuries like Orakpo. But there are still several pro-bowlers on that defense.

If you knew anything about Mike Shanahan you would see the talent laden pool clearly. They don't have to be pro-bowlers, but they will be after a year under Shanahan. I could see Alfred Morris making it this year because of his plug-and-play running game. I could be a 1,000 yard back under his system.

 

[AMDZen]

Luck's GF is super cute!

Super cute and super flexible.

Gymnast FTW!!

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Reminds me a little of Vick.

No. If you know anything about football then the only thing RGIII has in common with Vick is that they're both black.

Here's the big difference IMO between Griffen and Vick, Newton, etc.
He makes smart decisions.

The only thing RGIII has in common with Vick and Newton is that he's black. Vick, Newton, Young - they are all idiots, which is why they are all failures. Newton is already a bust, Young is out of the league, and Vick, well, bleh.

RGIII is more like Steve Young than any of those other black QBs. He runs really well, and he makes smart decisions. RGIII's only real weakness is going to be his durability. He's going to keep getting popped when he takes off, but I expect that will become less of concern with him over time (unlike Vick).

 

[Miramonti]

You're right, that was a stupid question becuase you clearly haven't seen Luck play a single down. He shows all the greatness of QB's of the past and is clearly the next elite talent in this league. RG3 still has question marks, Luck doesn't.

I can guarantee that 32 out of 32 GM's would have picked Luck #1 overall.

Question marks, my @ss. LOL

 

[purbeast0]

Does it have to be on the offense? The Redskins defense is spectacular and that helps the defense by getting turnovers, keeping the other offense off the field, etc.

Granted, they have a lot of injuries like Orakpo. But there are still several pro-bowlers on that defense.

If you knew anything about Mike Shanahan you would see the talent laden pool clearly. They don't have to be pro-bowlers, but they will be after a year under Shanahan. I could see Alfred Morris making it this year because of his plug-and-play running game. I could be a 1,000 yard back under his system.

do you even pay attention to the redskins? they are bottom 3 in defense in the nfl. they have let every qb they've faced throw for over 300 yds, except josh freeman, who threw for 299. they've let the big play happen so many times this year and is the reason the skins were averaging over 29pts a game before yesterday and were still 3-3.

the skins defense is the reason they aren't above .500. their defense is terrible, specifically the secondary.

serveral pro-bowlers on defense other than orakpo? seriously dude do you watch the skins? who are these other probowlers? fletcher is the only other consistent guy who is starting to show his age and is not good at covering, and kerrigan is the only other 'pro bowl' caliber player on defense. everyone else is not even close.

 

[ThePresence]

No. If you know anything about football then the only thing RGIII has in common with Vick is that they're both black.



The only thing RGIII has in common with Vick and Newton is that he's black. Vick, Newton, Young - they are all idiots, which is why they are all failures. Newton is already a bust, Young is out of the league, and Vick, well, bleh.

RGIII is more like Steve Young than any of those other black QBs. He runs really well, and he makes smart decisions. RGIII's only real weakness is going to be his durability. He's going to keep getting popped when he takes off, but I expect that will become less of concern with him over time (unlike Vick).

I'm not sure I'm ready to call Newton a bust just yet, but other than that you speak truth.

 

[SP33Demon]

She's pretty freakin ugly if you ask me.

RG3=

Andrew Luck's =

Clearly Luck is ahead in all aspects of his life.

The big hips make RG3's g/f better, big hips > little hips for me. Face wise, Luck's is def cuter though.

 

[AMDZen]

Their rookie RB seems like the real deal. Other than that, not much to speak of (with Garcon on the shelf).

You guys don't seem to get Mike's running game. Alfred Morris wouldn't be nearly as good on 30 other teams in the NFL. The only other team that has that is the Texans under Kibiak who developed the system with Shanahan.

Seriously, he can plug anyone in and they go 1,000 yards. Rueben Droughns ring any bells? Thats why we could trade Clinton Portis and see absolutely no drop off in production in our running game, just as any no name Mike Bell or Tatum Bell can replace a Terrell Davis with no drop off in production.

 

[blotto]

I watched that game yesterday, was the first time I saw him play and wow!!! The play that got me was the 4th and 3 run in the 4th quarter. He ran to the outside and realized he wasn't going to beat Webster around the corner so he froze him just enough with the pump fake to squeak past for the first.
To me that kind of thinking under fire is amazing for a rookie QB. How many Colt McCoy's or Sam Bradford's would have done that instead of trying to dump it to the back behind Webster and either have it batted down or throw an uncatchable ball due to trying to angle just right to clear the DB.

 

[SP33Demon]

I'm not sure I'm ready to call Newton a bust just yet, but other than that you speak truth.

Weren't you guys raining down praise on Newton last year?

 

[AMDZen]

do you even pay attention to the redskins? they are bottom 3 in defense in the nfl. they have let every qb they've faced throw for over 300 yds, except josh freeman, who threw for 299. they've let the big play happen so many times this year and is the reason the skins were averaging over 29pts a game before yesterday and were still 3-3.

the skins defense is the reason they aren't above .500. their defense is terrible, specifically the secondary.

They are pretty bad this year but going into the season that defense was stout. They have been decimated by injuries.

 

[ThePresence]

You guys don't seem to get Mike's running game. Alfred Morris wouldn't be nearly as good on 30 other teams in the NFL. The only other team that has that is the Texans under Kibiak who developed the system with Shanahan.

Seriously, he can plug anyone in and they go 1,000 yards. Rueben Droughns ring any bells? Thats why we could trade Clinton Portis and see absolutely no drop off in production in our running game, just as any no name Mike Bell or Tatum Bell can replace a Terrell Davis with no drop off in production.

That was because of their zone blocking O line scheme which was a new concept at the time but is not exactly catching defenses these days.

 

[AMDZen]

That was because of their zone blocking O line scheme which was a new concept at the time but is not exactly catching defenses these days.

All you have to do is look at Tim Hightower last year as opposed to his years in Arizona to see the difference. Roy Helu plug and play, Alfred Morris gets hurt and Evan Royster comes in with not drop-off in production. Plug and play.

They could plug in Kyle Shanahan and get production.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

He's playing like a prodigy. Stepping into the nfl as a rookie with a qb rating >100 after 7 games. And he's pretty amazing to watch. Looks like Indy blew chunks on this one.

I don't know what's harder, to be a top-tier nfl qb as a rookie, or be a GM and predict who's going to be a top tier qb in the nfl as a rookie.

Had the Redskins picked first overall, they would've taken Luck, I guarantee it. Luck will be a great QB, but he currently has less to work with.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

not sure if serious ... who is this "talent" that is surrounding him? how many pro-bowl players do the redskins have on offense?

Are you serious? No one said the Skins were loaded with talent but to somehow imply they are as bad as the Colts is ludicrous. The Colts were the worst team in the league last year and jettisoned a huge portion of their team, particularly on offense. It isn't like they were able to replace them all with stars either.

The Colts may have Wayne, but have you seen the rest of their receivers and backs? Ever heard of TY Hilton? Coby Fleener? Dwayne Allen? Those are all ROOKIES who play on offense, not even mentioning guys like Vick Ballard.

And don't even mention defense. I mean literally, every week when I watch a Colts game, there is at least 1 guy (this week it was 2) that I had never even heard of before. Guess where they came from? One guy was from the practice squad and the other guy from another team's practice squad.

rg3 is just good and makes everyone around him better.

He is an awesome talent but let's give it a few years before we enshrine him in Canton. I remember this same argument with a certain individual about Vick during the one decent season Vick had, and we saw how that worked out.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Weren't you guys raining down praise on Newton last year?

I certainly never did. Newton is like Tebow: a very gifted athlete who succeeded at the college level when playing college opponents. The NFL is a very different beast than the NCAA. Newton has already failed in the NFL/will fail in the NFL for the same reason Tebow has failed in the NFL at least as a starting QB: neither ever really learned how to be a QB in college.

One thing Tebow has is the right work ethic and personality. It takes a lot of humility to readily accept any role a team is willing to give you and there are a lot of roles a creative coaching staff can find for him, so we'll be seeing Tebow on Sunday for a long time. Newton has a poor personality already. He's immature, his body language speaks volumes, and he is not someone you build a team around - he's not a franchise QB. I'd be surprised if he lasts more than another season or two as a starter.

 

[AMDZen]

He is an awesome talent but let's give it a few years before we enshrine him in Canton. I remember this same argument with a certain individual about Vick during the one decent season Vick had, and we saw how that worked out.

Not to mention you say the same thing after Vince Young's first year, and just last year with Cam Newton. Are people's memories really so short?

I never bought into Cam Newton, but nearly everyone else had. Honestly I don't think RG3 will fail, I think he has things those other guys don't have, I see his football intelligence and I think he will succeed in this league. However, Luck will be better. I can already see things in Luck that I only see a in a few other QB's in this league today. Peyton/Eli/Brady/Aaron. If Matt Ryan finally wins a playoff game, he will be there after this year as well as he is having a spectacular season. Luck will be the next guy on this list.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The only thing RGIII has in common with Vick and Newton is that he's black. Vick, Newton, Young - they are all idiots, which is why they are all failures. Newton is already a bust, Young is out of the league, and Vick, well, bleh.

I read this morning that the Cardinals are considering signing Young.

Anyway, it is WAY too early to call Newton a bust, especially given the rookie season he had. Thus far, his rating from last year to this year has dropped only 5 points. If he maintains that rating the rest of the year, you can say he had a mediocre season but certainly not terrible (current rating is 79).

If we're that quick to label QBs as busts, I suggest you head over here and look at this terrible, terrible bust and his terrible years between 1988 and 1992.

P.S. And yes, my gut tells me Newton won't ever be anything above mediocre, but we'll see.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Not to mention you say the same thing after Vince Young's first year, and just last year with Cam Newton. Are people's memories really so short?

I never bought into Cam Newton, but nearly everyone else had. Honestly I don't think RG3 will fail, I think he has things those other guys don't have, I see his football intelligence and I think he will succeed in this league. However, Luck will be better. I can already see things in Luck that I only see a in a few other QB's in this league today. Peyton/Eli/Brady/Aaron. If Matt Ryan finally wins a playoff game, he will be there after this year as well as he is having a spectacular season. Luck will be the next guy on this list.

Luck's biggest weakness in my view has been his tendency not to rocket his throws. He tries too many touch passes and they'll generally be off target. In his first couple of games, he had a problem with overthrows when under pressure but that seems to be resolved and the last couple of games, he has started putting some major gas on his throws.

Newton is huge, and I think that's why people gave him a better chance than Vick and while Young is also huge, I think people thought Newton had better mental faculties. I think the thinking around league is that Newton gets discouraged and depressed with a bad performance and it just brings the rest of the team down. I definitely think RG3 has all of the (Young, Newton, Vick, and even Cunningham) beat in the mental department.

 

[purbeast0]

Are you serious? No one said the Skins were loaded with talent but to somehow imply they are as bad as the Colts is ludicrous. The Colts were the worst team in the league last year and jettisoned a huge portion of their team, particularly on offense. It isn't like they were able to replace them all with stars either.

The Colts may have Wayne, but have you seen the rest of their receivers and backs? Ever heard of TY Hilton? Coby Fleener? Dwayne Allen? Those are all ROOKIES who play on offense, not even mentioning guys like Vick Ballard.

And don't even mention defense. I mean literally, every week when I watch a Colts game, there is at least 1 guy (this week it was 2) that I had never even heard of before. Guess where they came from? One guy was from the practice squad and the other guy from another team's practice squad.

He is an awesome talent but let's give it a few years before we enshrine him in Canton. I remember this same argument with a certain individual about Vick during the one decent season Vick had, and we saw how that worked out.

actually, AMDZen did say the skins were loaded with talent, which is who i made that post in reply to.

also, no one implied they were as bad as the colts were last year. and records state the fact that the colts were worse than the redskins.

talking about receivers, the skins are in the same spot as the colts with receivers. other than carczon who has played like 2 quarters for the skins, and moss who is like a #4 now, there isn't 1 receiver on the skins that anyone outside of skins fans could name.

and about people's names who you recognize on defense? who gives a shit if they are being productive. look at this list here:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...OTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

colts are 16, redskins are 29. so yes, the colts defense is better than the redskins.

and not sure why you brought up the HOF, no one else did.