Revolutionary War II? What are your thoughts...

[ITJunkie]

I know, I know...it's sounds crazy. But I am seriously interested in hearing if you think the American Political System (Dems and Reps alike) and Corporate America have brought our country to its knees and what can be done about it?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: ITJunkie
I know, I know...it's sounds crazy. But I am seriously interested in hearing if you think the American Political System (Dems and Reps alike) and Corporate America have brought our country to its knees and what can be done about it?

I suspect if you were around during the first 30 years after the ratification of the Constitution... Burr and Jefferson and Hamilton and Adams and Madison and their arguments and all you'd think the control issues of today were not much different... the corporate issues of their day was the rich were in congress or the White House... and they fought the British a few times as well... with a bit of help from Britain's enemy.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: ITJunkie
I know, I know...it's sounds crazy. But I am seriously interested in hearing if you think the American Political System (Dems and Reps alike) and Corporate America have brought our country to its knees and what can be done about it?

I suspect if you were around during the first 30 years after the ratification of the Constitution... Burr and Jefferson and Hamilton and Adams and Madison and their arguments and all you'd think the control issues of today were not much different... the corporate issues of their day was the rich were in congress or the White House... and they fought the British a few times as well... with a bit of help from Britain's enemy.

Britian was the catalyst then while this time it will be the Computer/Internet. Just like Taxes and Tea, you can't take it away from the citizenry and not expect a fight.

 

[tnitsuj]

Qoute: Tracy Morgan

"All out race war"..."heads on pikes"

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

I suspect if you were around during the first 30 years after the ratification of the Constitution... Burr and Jefferson and Hamilton and Adams and Madison and their arguments and all you'd think the control issues of today were not much different... the corporate issues of their day was the rich were in congress or the White House... and they fought the British a few times as well... with a bit of help from Britain's enemy.

Britian was the catalyst then while this time it will be the Computer/Internet. Just like Taxes and Tea, you can't take it away from the citizenry and not expect a fight.

Interesting line of thought but how would it be fought? Hacking? Revolts? Actual bloodshed?

What do you think?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

I suspect if you were around during the first 30 years after the ratification of the Constitution... Burr and Jefferson and Hamilton and Adams and Madison and their arguments and all you'd think the control issues of today were not much different... the corporate issues of their day was the rich were in congress or the White House... and they fought the British a few times as well... with a bit of help from Britain's enemy.

Britian was the catalyst then while this time it will be the Computer/Internet. Just like Taxes and Tea, you can't take it away from the citizenry and not expect a fight.

Interesting line of thought but how would it be fought? Hacking? Revolts? Actual bloodshed?

What do you think?

Well it is not a true revolution until blood is shed. I've been talking about this for a couple of years now as many people will atest to. At what point does the blood get spilt is the question. My best guess is when enough people have their Computers taken away in seizures with the onslaught of subpeona's that are starting to come now. People will have no other choice than to fight since the online instrument or tool will be taken away. Even if the actual tool (Computer) is not taken away, the fact that the people will be made broke and penniless because of the litigation will be the same as taking away the computer because they will not have the money to stay online. Also they will not be able to be online anyway as the ISP's are forced to disconnect the people by the very same litigation.

Bottom line, it's going to get and be UGLY.

 

[phillyTIM]

I'm all for a new Revolution; might be the only thing that saves our Country's true spirit; Bush sure is doin' nothing but raping it with his big industry buddies, just as he did Iraq

 

[SuperTool]

How about we put up gallows all along K-street in Washington to remind the lobbyists ans the special interests what will happen when Americans have enough and take back their government?
That will sober them up a little bit.

 

[JellyBaby]

The first one was fought because people's basic rights were being grossly violated. Until that happens again we won't see another such War but certainly a few Battles are shaping up.

 

[gistech1978]

Yup, that's what they all say...Doh!" Clancy Wiggins

sorry this is OT for this thread
its clancy WIGGUM.
i know its nitpicking, but man its the simpsons!

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: gistech1978
Yup, that's what they all say...Doh!" Clancy Wiggins

sorry this is OT for this thread
its clancy WIGGUM.
i know its nitpicking, but man its the simpsons!

DOOOHHHHH!!!! Thanks gis

 

[Martin]

I'm pretty sure that won't happen. The gov will declare martial law, leaders will be killed or thrown in prison and the rebellion will be crushed.

 

[Moonbeam]

We just had a revolution. The Supreme Coup stole the Presidency of the people of the United States. Nobody did a God Damned thing. What sort of a joke is it to hypothesize about some phony revolution tomorrow when it already happened yesterday. Get real.

 

[sandorski]

Too early for a Revolution, first, destroy the Political Parties at the Polls. Even if you choose someone you don't agree with, the near-death of a political party does wonders! Nuke 'em!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You cannot have a revolution in the US. Common people had a chance the first time. No one can put a Festiva agaist a tank and win. Americans havent the stomach for it anyway. A few good public executions under martial law would have most cowering in the corner.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
You cannot have a revolution in the US. Common people had a chance the first time. No one can put a Festiva agaist a tank and win. Americans havent the stomach for it anyway. A few good public executions under martial law would have most cowering in the corner.

I guess I'd better get a blood transfusion ... to rid myself of this Celtic Blood..... Wouldn't want a trek down the Falls Road or the Shankle occurring along Broadway... I like my corner... and don't want any misguided blood cells carrying me on some wayward journey..

 

[oreagan]

I know, I know...it's sounds crazy. But I am seriously interested in hearing if you think the American Political System (Dems and Reps alike) and Corporate America have brought our country to its knees and what can be done about it?

Let's remember that things have been a lot worse in the history of the United States. Standard Oil, US Steel, the leading railroads and the other monopolies were worse than today's Corporate America. Those got solved with time and some decent legistlation, no bloodshed needed. And that's back in the days when parties really didn't like each other, to the tune of physical assault on the Senate floor.

If we survived that pacifistically, we should be able to weather this situation. Just remember, the really stupid people don't vote, so yours is all the more important for it.

 

[oreagan]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
You cannot have a revolution in the US. Common people had a chance the first time. No one can put a Festiva agaist a tank and win. Americans havent the stomach for it anyway. A few good public executions under martial law would have most cowering in the corner.

True, if you forget that the people who make up the Army are American citizens as well. The day the government starts using the big guns against citizens (hopefully) is the day half the Army deserts.

 

[Trezza]

I just want to know what makes you think that anyone would want to get rid of the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT!!

Sure you might not like bush or your senator, wait 4 years then vote them out. This is the politics forum not sci fi.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: ITJunkie
I know, I know...it's sounds crazy. But I am seriously interested in hearing if you think the American Political System (Dems and Reps alike) and Corporate America have brought our country to its knees and what can be done about it?

20th century US revolutions:
1. The Great Depression and the US becoming a socialist society.
2. World II and the US becoming the world power.
3. Opening of US society to women and minorities

There are couple of revolutions still in process:
1. Computers and the internet which are overturning the information monopolies.
2. The broadening of economic borders, creation of a continental American economic power.

 

[JellyBaby]

Sure you might not like bush or your senator, wait 4 years then vote them out.

We end up not trusting the people we elect and the people we trust are unelectable. They have us by our shorn scrotums.

 

[LunarRay]

Moonbeam for Senator... wait.. ya gotta be 30.. Moonbeam for Congress.... He can take that PhD Economist... Tom Lantos' seat.. where ever that is..

 

[UglyCasanova]

It's just going to be small groups doing it if there is one. I know it sounds mean, but the American public is quite ignorant about some things. They seem oblivious to what is going on in the world these days, and unless that changes I don't see our goverment changing very much either. Power swaps hands, but beyond that things pretty much stay the same.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: oreagan

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
You cannot have a revolution in the US. Common people had a chance the first time. No one can put a Festiva agaist a tank and win. Americans havent the stomach for it anyway. A few good public executions under martial law would have most cowering in the corner.

True, if you forget that the people who make up the Army are American citizens as well. The day the government starts using the big guns against citizens (hopefully) is the day half the Army deserts.

Well that is the normal line of thinking and I would think so myself, but look what happened 33-45 in Germany....

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How about we put up gallows all along K-street in Washington to remind the lobbyists ans the special interests what will happen when Americans have enough and take back their government?
That will sober them up a little bit.

Well, the "special interests and lobbyists" represent groups of US citizens. So you want to hang US citizens for participating in the political process?