Review my Conroe build

[Mr Bob]

Oh ok, I thought you were upset that I wanted a PSU under $100.

My bad

 

[dBTelos]

Nope, exactly the opposite. I think that most people will try to make themselfs seem more e-smart by recommending

500W+, from Seasonic, Enermax, or Enhance, and over $75 in price

Just because they can't backup recommending anything less.

-dB

 

[acegazda]

Ahhh... the power of satire and sarcasm

EDIT: For some, the reason for recommending each of those is clear:
seasonic uses top tier components and has smart fan controll, thus is quiet.
Enermax are relatively cost efficant and solid for the general user.
Enhance represents the best price/performance ratio on the market ATM.

The noobs version:
seasonic is quality. They are high profile.
enermax is quality. They have lots of psus.
enhance is quality. They are mentioned a lot on the forums.
JG's psu thread and a link to his website should be stickied in general hardware.
In fact, I'll bring that up in forum issues.

 

[dBTelos]

I was being serious. When was the last time you saw someone backup a PSU not meeting the criteria I posted?

 

[Quiksilver]

Well my opinion on how-to reccomend PSU's is much different, to me you don't really need an PSU that can have a gigillian watt's. If anything, you really need to add up what you might plan on using and what you might upgrade in the future. If anythingthing i'd reccomend is a PSU with atleast 18 Amps on a single 12V rail(so do the math, if you have a psu you with Dual 12, i'd reccomend astleastsd 18A, 18A)

LaLaLal:
PSU Calculator:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

 

[dBTelos]

I recommend PSUs the same way QuikSilver. And that PSU Calc. is very unaccurate, don't use it.

-dB

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: dBTelos
I was being serious. When was the last time you saw someone backup a PSU not meeting the criteria I posted?

I do it all the time. BTW, I use the psu calculator with a percent error of 15%. I find it's good for estimating the no. of amps you might need. Here is a popular equation: (.9X)/12 if x is the amount of supposed watts.

EDIT:You have to figure that for most users, ~90% of the power is going to be going to the 12v rail.

 

[dBTelos]

I know you do, as do I along with Galvanized, Howard, and Jonny. Sadly the list just about ends there. Personally, I would rather use a more accurate calculator, besides, it might be 5% wrong one time, then 35% wrong the next. Just not something you can count on to be consistant.

-dB

 

[Mr Bob]

Page two and nobody has a better suggestion for the PSU?

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: dBTelos
I know you do, as do I along with Zepper, Galvanized, Howard, and Jonny. Sadly the list just about ends there. Personally, I would rather use a more accurate calculator, besides, it might be 5% wrong one time, then 35% wrong the next. Just not something you can count on to be consistant.

-dB

fixed
the zippy power budget calculator is OK for certain things, it's just not the easiest to use.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Page two and nobody has a better suggestion for the PSU?

I'm still on pg 1, but I guess the point is if you LIKE spending money, you can get the seasonic, but you really don't NEED it. You can get by with the ultra.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Originally posted by: Operandi

Originally posted by: dBTelos
For $0 that's a great PSU. It can easily handle your system and it should keep 70+ efficiency. No need to spend more then nothing!

-dB

I'm sure it's far from great. You get what you pay for and if Ultra is giving them away I wouldn't count on getting much.

I ment great in value, not great in quality. They're what, $60 a piece originally, now they got all kinds of rebates going. It's not like they just give them away at all times.

-dB

And why do you think they have rebates attached to them?

Most likely because they are not worth the initial $60 to begin with. Not good considering the fact that most quality 500+ watt units start at $90 and up.

Then there is the practical aspect of the equation, that the OP's hardware couldn't even break 200 watts peak, making a complete waste of a 500 watt PSU.

Bottom line; quality is far more important then quantity when it comes to power, this is not an opinion it is fact.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: dBTelos
I was being serious. When was the last time you saw someone backup a PSU not meeting the criteria I posted?

I do it all the time. BTW, I use the psu calculator with a percent error of 15%. I find it's good for estimating the no. of amps you might need. Here is a popular equation: (.9X)/12 if x is the amount of supposed watts.

EDIT:You have to figure that for most users, ~90% of the power is going to be going to the 12v rail.

lol

that sounds strangely familiar

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: dBTelos
I now see why Jonny hardly posts any more and Galvanized doesn't do much recommending. You guys have such closed minds from anything like a TT Toughpower, any Ultra product, or *gasp* anything from a brand you haven't heard of, that I shouldn't bother. Just tell the guy to spend $100+ for a S12 like most of you will do and be done with it, because I'm tired of resorting to 3 paragraph replys just go get a point to you guys.

-dB

Both Thermaltake and Ultra have an established reputation of producing blinged out form over function crap.

Yes there are exceptions for both cases but when a company tries selling the X-Connect for $100 (about 10x what its worth) and just about every other PSU Thermaltake sells aside from the Tough Power they don't deserve any recommendations.

There are plenty of other viable alternatives from reputable and honest sources (Seasonic, FSP, Enhance, PCP&C, Zalman, ect.)

 

[John]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Page two and nobody has a better suggestion for the PSU?

Originally posted by: acegazda
To sum it up:
?Do your research
?Be openminded
?Listen to people who know what their talking about
?Don't pay more than you have to
With those principles you will have the piece of mind knowing you chose the best psu for your system.
There, ~1.5 paragraphs dB!

Originally posted by: Operandi
Then there is the practical aspect of the equation, that the OP's hardware couldn't even break 200 watts peak, making a complete waste of a 500 watt PSU.

Bottom line; quality is far more important then quantity when it comes to power, this is not an opinion it is fact.

Bob, I've used several XClio 450BL & XClio 500w GoodPower units and have no problem recommending one for your build.

 

[Mr Bob]

"Bottom line; quality is far more important then quantity when it comes to power, this is not an opinion it is fact."
- Nobody here is questioning that at all... Lots of people think a 500w PSU from a crappy mfc will be fine for 500w usage... That's not correct. (i believe) The problem is when you hit high loads, these PSUs tend to crap out, whereas the quality PSU can handle it. For what I'm doing, that shouldn't be an issue.

I've provided the system that I want to build, can you honestly say that the PSU I linked to can't effectively handle it? We're not talking about heavy SLI GPUs with 10 hard drives.

So please guys, take a good at the components.

Bob, I've used several XClio 450BL & XClio 500w GoodPower units and have no problem recommending one for your build.

- Finally a real suggestion lol, thanks John. If nobody can give me a reason to switch to another PSU, I'll stick with the one in the OP, else I will look some more into the XCilo ones you pointed out.

 

[John]

Ultra V-Series Review

So in a nutshell, if you have little to spend and bought a V-Series power supply for your machine, I wouldn?t kick you while you were down. And if you got one of those bundles from Tiger Direct where they pre-install a V-Series in a Wizard case with some motherboard they?re trying to get rid of, I wouldn?t insist that you yank the power supply. There are better choices for the money, and the best choice of all may be to up the budget, but ultimately if you wanted to make ?the easy choice,? the V-Series isn?t ?the bad choice.?

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
"Bottom line; quality is far more important then quantity when it comes to power, this is not an opinion it is fact."
- Nobody here is questioning that at all... Lots of people think a 500w PSU from a crappy mfc will be fine for 500w usage... That's not correct. (i believe) The problem is when you hit high loads, these PSUs tend to crap out, whereas the quality PSU can handle it. For what I'm doing, that shouldn't be an issue.

I've provided the system that I want to build, can you honestly say that the PSU I linked to can't effectively handle it? We're not talking about heavy SLI GPUs with 10 hard drives.

So please guys, take a good at the components.

High loads just means the cheap units "crap out" faster, running a low load on them dose not make them reliable. It could fail in 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 4 years; the point is you just don't know.

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: dBTelos
I was being serious. When was the last time you saw someone backup a PSU not meeting the criteria I posted?

I do it all the time. BTW, I use the psu calculator with a percent error of 15%. I find it's good for estimating the no. of amps you might need. Here is a popular equation: (.9X)/12 if x is the amount of supposed watts.

EDIT:You have to figure that for most users, ~90% of the power is going to be going to the 12v rail.

lol

that sounds strangely familiar

yes sinsai, you have taught me well.

 

[dBTelos]

I've lost a lot of respect for your recommendations in this thread Operandi. It seems you have forgotten what's important. That it works and fits the needed criteria. If you can fit both of these, then you don't need to spend a large amount of money on a PSU. The Ultra V-Series 500W will work with his rig, and he doesn't have any "special" or unique criteria. Does it really matter that Ultra released the X-Connect? I couldn't care less if Ultra released a rebadged Deer supply, the V-Series is still proven to handle the OP's build.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: dBTelos
I was being serious. When was the last time you saw someone backup a PSU not meeting the criteria I posted?

I do it all the time. BTW, I use the psu calculator with a percent error of 15%. I find it's good for estimating the no. of amps you might need. Here is a popular equation: (.9X)/12 if x is the amount of supposed watts.

EDIT:You have to figure that for most users, ~90% of the power is going to be going to the 12v rail.

lol

that sounds strangely familiar

yes sinsai, you have taught me well.

I think you meant "sensei", but I'll pretend you never meant anything of the sort.