Reversal of Type 2 Diabetes: Normalisation of Beta Cells (Someone Smart Check it Out)

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BeeBoop

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I'm a member of a diabetic forum obviously and ran into someone who does intermittent fasting. To be more exact, he does the alternative day fasting version of IF. Five hundred calories one day and 2600 the next. Basically, he claims that his glucose levels are very similar to that of a normal person after being a type 2 diabetic for 10 years. Fasting glucose below 80 constantly and postmeal glucose never above 110. Honestly, i didn't find it believable, at least the part that his post meal glucose never goes above 110 even on carb heavy days at 300 grams but he pointed out this paper below. Just wanted to see how you guys here feel about this journal entry. Legit?


http://www.diabetologia-journal.org/Lim.pdf
 

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just noticed this thread.

Type 2 diabetes is definitely reversible. Most type 2 diabetics are also obese. With the right diet and exercise and weight loss, most will lose their diabetic status. If you're diabetic for too long, it becomes type 1. I forget the mechanism for that.

Strangely enough, Lap Band and other surgeries also can reverse diabetes. This has been seen immediately after surgery before the weight loss. Which is a total head scratcher. It's been 6 years since I've heard this, so maybe it's been disproven or proven at this point.

As for the splurge then starve diet controlling the sugars.... I also find that hard to believe.
 

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If you have metabolic syndrome (i.e you are fat and unhealthy), you can fix almost all of the symptoms with the obvious action of losing weight.

The Diabetes goes away.
The joint pain goes away.
The triglycerides level normalizes.
The blood pressure drops
etc...

shocking!
 

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Even those who manage their type 2 diabetes very well with a low-carb diet and significant weight loss will probably experience blood sugar spikes if they consume high-carb foods. Pretty hard to believe this affliction can be reversed, except by surgery.

Berberine appears to be another crutch.
 

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Even those who manage their type 2 diabetes very well with a low-carb diet and significant weight loss will probably experience blood sugar spikes if they consume high-carb foods. Pretty hard to believe this affliction can be reversed, except by surgery.

Berberine appears to be another crutch.

type 2 can be controlled but cannot at this point be cured.

Berberine is a natural herbal remedy that appears to be chemically similar to the much more expensive metformin http://examine.com/supplements/Berberine/
 

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Even those who manage their type 2 diabetes very well with a low-carb diet and significant weight loss will probably experience blood sugar spikes if they consume high-carb foods. Pretty hard to believe this affliction can be reversed, except by surgery.

I agree with you that surgery can reverse diabetes but ask yourself this question and maybe you will understand what I'm trying to say. Why does Bariatric Surgery reverse Type 2 Diabetes?


Bariatric surgery is the main reason why the group did this study as many people are aware of Type 2 diabetics reversing their condition after surgery. One theory is that Baratric surgery patients are often put on very low calorie diets and this study was aimed at seeing if it is the huge deficit that put Type 2 Diabetes in remission in those type of patients. What they found is remarkable as they saw phase 1 insulin response coming back to life, which means they can eat more carbs while keeping glucose levels low.

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I agree with you that surgery can reverse diabetes but ask yourself this question and maybe you will understand what I'm trying to say. Why does Bariatric Surgery reverse Type 2 Diabetes?


Bariatric surgery is the main reason why the group did this study as many people are aware of Type 2 diabetics reversing their condition after surgery. One theory is that Baratric surgery patients are often put on very low calorie diets and this study was aimed at seeing if it is the huge deficit that put Type 2 Diabetes in remission in those type of patients. What they found is remarkable as they saw phase 1 insulin response coming back to life, which means they can eat more carbs while keeping glucose levels low.

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Just curious - what's your source for this surgery reversing Type 2D. In my Diabetes support groups lots have had the surgery but no one has had that effect. I know, anecdotal, but still would love to see actual studies.
 

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I haven't seen those studies but the group that I converse with told me about them. One person even claimed to have put her diabetes in remission after such surgery. With my brief google search, I came up with this link from medscape. I haven't read the entire medscape review on the study but I'm sure we can find the name of the study or group that did the study somewhere in the article. In addition to that, the paper in my very first post makes reference to such studies. When I have more time, I'll try and find the actual journal entries on Baraitric Surgery.


The paper I posted in the very first link, is a diet. It's free and cost you absolutely nothing to do as compared to surgery and diabetic medication. There really isn't any harm in trying it out. If you feel the diet might be dangerous for whatever reason, you can always have your doctor monitor your weekly progress.


Obviously, eating 500 calories every single day for the rest of your life is not practical. The guy who sent me the study claimed to achieve the same results by doing intermittent fasting, Alternate Day Fasting to be more specific. You alternate between one normal calorie amount day and a very low calorie day, 500 calories max.

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Ran across this. Interesting read and relates to the original post in this thread. Also talks about Bariatric Surgery. Some of the stuff in here went over my head but I'm going to try and read it again to get a better understanding of what's going on.




I also just noticed that you have to sign up with medscape in order to read the other article I posted. Medscape is free to sign up with and you can use a fake email if you want to just read that particular paper. At the end of the article, they linked to the research here. In quotes below is a copy and paste from the medscape article for those that really don't want to sign up with an email.



More than one third of severely obese adults who achieved complete remission of type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) within 5 years after bariatric surgery relapsed within 5 years of that initial remission, according to the largest community-based study to date of long-term outcomes after bariatric surgery, published online November 18 in Obesity Surgery.

David E. Arterburn, MD, MPH, general internist and associate investigator at the Group Health Research Institute in Seattle, Washington, and colleagues conducted a retrospective cohort study of 4434 adults with T2DM who underwent gastric bypass surgery at 3 integrated healthcare centers between 1995 and 2008. The centers were Health Partners in Minnesota, Kaiser Permanente Northern California, and Kaiser Permanente Southern California.

More than half (55.5%) of the patients underwent open Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGB), and 44.5% underwent laparoscopic RYGB. However, remission rates between the 2 methods were not significantly different. The number of surgeries per year ranged from 9 (0.2% of the total number of procedures) during 1995-1996 to 1227 during 2007-2008 (27.7% of the total number of procedures).

Overall, 76.9% (95% confidence interval [CI], 75.3% - 78.6%) of the patients achieved partial T2DM remission within 5 years of surgery, and 68.2% (95% CI, 66.4% - 70.0%) achieved complete remission within 5 years. Of the patients with complete T2DM remissions, 35.1% (95% CI, 32.0% - 38.4%) had a relapse within 5 years of initial complete remission.

The study population was 77.1% women, and 70.1% of patients were taking oral medications at the time of surgery. Risk factors for relapse included older age (adjusted hazard ratio
for 5-year increase in age, 1.07; 95% CI, 1.01 - 1.14), increased levels of HbA1c (≥6.5%), and longer duration of diabetes (HR for each additional year of diabetes, 1.13; 95% CI, 1.09 - 1.17), all at the time of surgery. The rate of relapse was higher (40.1%) using the partial remission threshold. The adjusted HRs for relapse were particularly high for those using insulin (HR, 1.91; 95% CI, 1.48 - 2.45) and those whose HbA1c levels were 10% or higher (HR, 2.07; 95% CI, 1.42 - 3.02) at the time of surgery. Adjustments were made for age at surgery, sex, year of surgery, type of surgery, HbA1c level at the time of surgery, diabetes medication use at time of surgery, and diabetes duration.

"The results presented here shed new light on the importance of preoperative patient selection and counseling when one of the goals of surgical intervention is durable diabetes remission," the researchers write. "We consistently found that those treated with insulin were less likely to remit and more likely to relapse than those not on insulin prior to surgery."

Limitations of the study include the fact that first-year remission rates were significantly lower than rates previously published and that insufficient data were available to analyze whether race/ethnicity or changes in body weight made a difference. In a subpopulation analysis of patients with body weight data in their records, however, the researchers found that body weight at the time of surgery did not statistically affect whether patients remitted or relapsed.

"Despite these limitations, we believe that our results have a number of significant clinical and research implications for diabetes care," the authors write. "Patients should be counseled that bariatric surgery alone does not reliably 'cure' diabetes. However, the remission rates achieved by RYGB appear to be far better than what could be achieved by any other behavioral or drug treatment.... [O]ur data suggest that the effect of bariatric surgery on durable diabetes remission is likely to be strongest among those who are earlier in the course of their diabetes, although this finding should be confirmed in future prospective, randomized controlled studies," they conclude.

 
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