Revealed: 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: drnickriviera
Why even make the rear lid able to open? Can't do jack squat except check the fluids.

Nope, you can remove the airbox and change the alternator too. Excuse Porsche for wanting to save some money on warranty work by not building the cars so the tech has to drop the engine to do something on it.

Porsche's don't break. I've had 4 and I've never once had to go beyond routine maintenance. All 4 have had over 120,000 miles. The 951 just turned 151,000 this weekend.

ZV

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Porsche: There is no substitute.

I really can't think of another car brand that exudes sophistication, masculinity, understated elegance, exclusivity, and precision all at once. Porsche is the "Mont Blanc" of the car world.

You're thinking Aston Martin.

Aston's are British. Half the time the damn electrical system doesn't work at all, and the other half of the time it's catching on fire.

Ahh, Lucas electronics. If Lucas made guns, wars wouldn't start.

ZV

LOL, no disagreement there (except it's 80% not working, 20% catching fire).

However, with regards to GTaudiophile's statement, the Aston definitely fits better than Porsche. The last time Porsche exuded understated elegance or exclusivity was well before my birth.

 

[DeathReborn]

What part of the car did they change this time? They need to get their designers back to work imo. The 911 looked good first time round, now it just looks too much of the same.

No i've never driven a 911 or anything they've made but I simply don't like the looks of it.

 

[ND40oz]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: vizkiz
In the 997 model Turbo, the auto is faster than the 6spd. The auto is a new 5spd DSG gearbox. The official Porsche 0-60 times are 3.4 for the auto and 3.7 for the stick.

Are you positive? I thought the DSG type gearbox won't replace the tiptronic until a year or two.

Not according to the Press Release I read on the PCNA website, accessible to people who work at Porsche dealerships.

Ah, very cool. They really need to update the info on their website and brochures. Everything still says Tiptronic S.

Actually, I may be mistaken. I was just reading from the Press Release again and it does not mention the DSG gearbox. Must have been something else I was reading about the car, not from Porsche. I was under the impression that it would be DSG from the get-go, but I now believe I was wrong. Sorry about that.

I think your right about it not being a DSG. All of the VW groups DSG models have been 6 speeds thus far and I thought I read about them having some problems with it above 300 hp, but supposedly they are supposed to have them worked out. Guess it's only a matter of time...

 

[vizkiz]

Originally posted by: ND40oz
I think your right about it not being a DSG. All of the VW groups DSG models have been 6 speeds thus far and I thought I read about them having some problems with it above 300 hp, but supposedly they are supposed to have them worked out. Guess it's only a matter of time...

Porsche Group has been on their own for some time now, and actually just purchsed a 20% stake in VW. Perhaps that is where the solution to the DSG problems came from

 

[vizkiz]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: drnickriviera
Why even make the rear lid able to open? Can't do jack squat except check the fluids.

Nope, you can remove the airbox and change the alternator too. Excuse Porsche for wanting to save some money on warranty work by not building the cars so the tech has to drop the engine to do something on it.

Porsche's don't break. I've had 4 and I've never once had to go beyond routine maintenance. All 4 have had over 120,000 miles. The 951 just turned 151,000 this weekend.

ZV

So, is that why we just replaced two motors within one week, both covered under warranty?

-What about replacing at least 5-7 horns per week? They're mounted in such a way that water leaks into one of them (I forget whether it is the high tone or low tone) and kills it.
-What about the rear main oil seal leaks?
-What about recall on the rear window switch on the Cayenne because it opens itself?
-How about the recall on the 05 and earlier Cayenne remotes because they absolutely suck, and Porsche replaces them both?
-Or the recall on the Cayenne rear seat belts that leaves you with a giant ugly hunk of metal attached to the lower part of the belt?
-Recall on some 987/997 gas filler tubes because they refuse to accept gas and shut the pump off.
-Cayenne water pumps also like to fail quite early.
-Typically doing one 996 alternator per week.

I really couldn't tell you about anything other than 996/986/997/987/987C/955/980 models because owners usually take them to private Porsche shops and not dealerships.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: drnickriviera
Why even make the rear lid able to open? Can't do jack squat except check the fluids.

Nope, you can remove the airbox and change the alternator too. Excuse Porsche for wanting to save some money on warranty work by not building the cars so the tech has to drop the engine to do something on it.

Porsche's don't break. I've had 4 and I've never once had to go beyond routine maintenance. All 4 have had over 120,000 miles. The 951 just turned 151,000 this weekend.

ZV

So, is that why we just replaced two motors within one week, both covered under warranty?

-What about replacing at least 5-7 horns per week? They're mounted in such a way that water leaks into one of them (I forget whether it is the high tone or low tone) and kills it.
-What about the rear main oil seal leaks?
-What about recall on the rear window switch on the Cayenne because it opens itself?
-How about the recall on the 05 and earlier Cayenne remotes because they absolutely suck, and Porsche replaces them both?
-Or the recall on the Cayenne rear seat belts that leaves you with a giant ugly hunk of metal attached to the lower part of the belt?
-Recall on some 987/997 gas filler tubes because they refuse to accept gas and shut the pump off.
-Cayenne water pumps also like to fail quite early.
-Typically doing one 996 alternator per week.

I really couldn't tell you about anything other than 996/986/997/987/987C/955/980 models because owners usually take them to private Porsche shops and not dealerships.

A bunch of very minor stuff. If that's the worst thing you see at a dealership, I think it speaks volumes about Porsche quality.

 

[vizkiz]

Originally posted by: Nebor
A bunch of very minor stuff. If that's the worst thing you see at a dealership, I think it speaks volumes about Porsche quality.

So, a water pump dumping all of your coolant on the ground is minor? Granted, most people notice the odd, loud noise coming from the engine compartment, but some dont.

What about the rear main seal leak? Or finding out your alternator on your two year old car has failed you while on a road trip from FL to NY and having to have your car towed to a dealership that you know nothing about? That actually happened to a few cars that we have serviced.

Don't get me wrong, I love Porsches, that is why I work at a Porsche dealership, but to say they don't break and don't need more than routine maintenance is pure ignorance.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Nebor
A bunch of very minor stuff. If that's the worst thing you see at a dealership, I think it speaks volumes about Porsche quality.

So, a water pump dumping all of your coolant on the ground is minor? Granted, most people notice the odd, loud noise coming from the engine compartment, but some dont.

What about the rear main seal leak? Or finding out your alternator on your two year old car has failed you while on a road trip from FL to NY and having to have your car towed to a dealership that you know nothing about? That actually happened to a few cars that we have serviced.

Don't get me wrong, I love Porsches, that is why I work at a Porsche dealership, but to say they don't break and don't need more than routine maintenance is pure ignorance.

That doesn't sound out of the ordinary for any BMW, or Volvo I've ever owned. I could rattle off a list of cars less than a year old requiring thousands in warranty repairs: bad radiators, rear main seals, bad starter, transmission problems, power window problems, sunroof replacements.

What you're describing is typical for a European car. That's why they come with roadside service.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: drnickriviera
Why even make the rear lid able to open? Can't do jack squat except check the fluids.

Nope, you can remove the airbox and change the alternator too. Excuse Porsche for wanting to save some money on warranty work by not building the cars so the tech has to drop the engine to do something on it.

Porsche's don't break. I've had 4 and I've never once had to go beyond routine maintenance. All 4 have had over 120,000 miles. The 951 just turned 151,000 this weekend.

ZV

So, is that why we just replaced two motors within one week, both covered under warranty?

-What about replacing at least 5-7 horns per week? They're mounted in such a way that water leaks into one of them (I forget whether it is the high tone or low tone) and kills it.
-What about the rear main oil seal leaks?
-What about recall on the rear window switch on the Cayenne because it opens itself?
-How about the recall on the 05 and earlier Cayenne remotes because they absolutely suck, and Porsche replaces them both?
-Or the recall on the Cayenne rear seat belts that leaves you with a giant ugly hunk of metal attached to the lower part of the belt?
-Recall on some 987/997 gas filler tubes because they refuse to accept gas and shut the pump off.
-Cayenne water pumps also like to fail quite early.
-Typically doing one 996 alternator per week.

I really couldn't tell you about anything other than 996/986/997/987/987C/955/980 models because owners usually take them to private Porsche shops and not dealerships.

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And yes, the newer models are less reliable, but still superior to VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes current crop. I'd say that they're on par with the likes of Mazda at least. The older models are on par with Honda/Toyota if maintenance is followed.

And there's a reason that the owners of classic Porsches don't use dealer service, you guys suck. I doubt that even 1/4 of Porsche's current crop of dealer service personnel have ever seen under the hood of an air-cooled model. Let alone wrenched on one. And don't get me started about the horrors I've seen dealer service people do on the 944/968 and 928 series cars.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Nebor
to say they don't break and don't need more than routine maintenance is pure ignorance.

I've owned 4. The only problem I've ever had was a defective O-ring on the oil filter that blew out once. And that's hardly blame-able on the car.

Of course, the only non-routine thing I've ever had to do on any car I've owned was replacing an alternator on the Lincoln at 83,000 miles. (10 years.)

But yes, Porsches are cars. All cars break. See the definition of hyperbole in my previous post.

ZV

 

[vizkiz]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And yes, the newer models are less reliable, but still superior to VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes current crop. I'd say that they're on par with the likes of Mazda at least. The older models are on par with Honda/Toyota if maintenance is followed.

And there's a reason that the owners of classic Porsches don't use dealer service, you guys suck. I doubt that even 1/4 of Porsche's current crop of dealer service personnel have ever seen under the hood of an air-cooled model. Let alone wrenched on one. And don't get me started about the horrors I've seen dealer service people do on the 944/968 and 928 series cars.

ZV

Actually, Porsche was right near the top of JD Power & Associates reliability list into 2003. Why into 2003? That was the year the Cayenne was released. It did wonders for their reliability ratings after that.

And in general, Porsche dealer service departments might suck, but ours does not. One of our technicians has been working on Porsches for 35+ years. Two more have been working on them for 25+ years each, and one of those two was also a Ferrari technician. Our 4th tech is a youngin at 30-something and prefers the water-cooled cars. He is also our resident Carrera GT tech.

If our service department can't fix something, then nobody can.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: vizkiz
In the 997 model Turbo, the auto is faster than the 6spd. The auto is a new 5spd DSG gearbox. The official Porsche 0-60 times are 3.4 for the auto and 3.7 for the stick.

Are you positive? I thought the DSG type gearbox won't replace the tiptronic until a year or two.

Not according to the Press Release I read on the PCNA website, accessible to people who work at Porsche dealerships.

Ah, very cool. They really need to update the info on their website and brochures. Everything still says Tiptronic S.

Actually, I may be mistaken. I was just reading from the Press Release again and it does not mention the DSG gearbox. Must have been something else I was reading about the car, not from Porsche. I was under the impression that it would be DSG from the get-go, but I now believe I was wrong. Sorry about that.

I think your right about it not being a DSG. All of the VW groups DSG models have been 6 speeds thus far and I thought I read about them having some problems with it above 300 hp, but supposedly they are supposed to have them worked out. Guess it's only a matter of time...

Actually, VW group does have one very stout DSG tranny made by Ricardo.

Unfortunately, it probably costs as much as a 997 Turbo.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/4909/




Edit: man, my grammar is really going down the tubes.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And yes, the newer models are less reliable, but still superior to VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes current crop. I'd say that they're on par with the likes of Mazda at least. The older models are on par with Honda/Toyota if maintenance is followed.

And there's a reason that the owners of classic Porsches don't use dealer service, you guys suck. I doubt that even 1/4 of Porsche's current crop of dealer service personnel have ever seen under the hood of an air-cooled model. Let alone wrenched on one. And don't get me started about the horrors I've seen dealer service people do on the 944/968 and 928 series cars.

ZV

Actually, Porsche was right near the top of JD Power & Associates reliability list into 2003. Why into 2003? That was the year the Cayenne was released. It did wonders for their reliability ratings after that.

And in general, Porsche dealer service departments might suck, but ours does not. One of our technicians has been working on Porsches for 35+ years. Two more have been working on them for 25+ years each, and one of those two was also a Ferrari technician. Our 4th tech is a youngin at 30-something and prefers the water-cooled cars. He is also our resident Carrera GT tech.

If our service department can't fix something, then nobody can.

So where do you fit in there? Broom pusher? Coffer maker?

 

[vizkiz]

I help wherever I'm needed. I test drive service cars to check for noises, make sure lights don't come back on, etc. I can work in the parts department when our parts manager is sick/late/leaves early. I submit warranty claims to the manufacturer. I check in cars off the truck from the manufacturer. Next week, the service manager is going to training, so he has been showing me how to do everything. I will not be acting service manger because I am in no position to be telling our technicians what they will be working on. I guess I'll be acting service writer, talking to customers, opening/closing RO's, etc.

I believe that the service manager wants me to become a service writer, but I want to join the NYPD, so we'll see how it turns out.
Not a bad gig for a 21 year old, huh. And yes, I know I have a LOT more to learn in work and in life. The best example is how argumentative I can be at times.

 

[Liver]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Z06 still rapes it.

i really really wonder if the current Z06 will be dethroned of its <100K purchase price, and 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, with the ability to handle like a god.

Nah, part of the sports car allure is the "head turn factor." Shallow? Maybe, but true.

I don't turn my head for a Z06, some might, but do you?

 

[Liver]

[/quote]

except you need to sell both of your t3sticles just to buy one

face it though - the Z06 is an amazing car. it competes with stuff up to 10x its price in its category. that's unreal[/quote]

no one would buy your testicles.

 

[Aharami]

revived from the dead wtf

 

[Sukhoi]

Originally posted by: vizkiz

Originally posted by: drnickriviera
Why even make the rear lid able to open? Can't do jack squat except check the fluids.

Nope, you can remove the airbox and change the alternator too. Excuse Porsche for wanting to save some money on warranty work by not building the cars so the tech has to drop the engine to do something on it.

Remind me to never consider buying a used car from drnickriviera. I can't believe the stupidity of his post. What are you supposed to do? Never check any of the fluids in the car? Yeah, that's going to work well.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Z06 still rapes it.

i really really wonder if the current Z06 will be dethroned of its <100K purchase price, and 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, with the ability to handle like a god.

Do you have proof the Z06 rapes it, or is that just heresay, like usual?

Either way the 911 is at least a thousand times sexier than the Z06, and isn't built like sh!t. I still love the video of the Z06 owner getting his ass handed to him by a wrx in a drag race.

0-60 in 3.3 seconds for the Z06.

that was no stock WRX, and that was no C6 ZO6

You're right it wasn't a stock WRX but it was a stock C5 Z06.
I'd be willing to bet that modified WRX would still beat the stock C6 Z06. The modified WRX destroyed the Z06, and I know the new Z06 wouldn't make much of a difference. Point is that a little itty bitty 4cyl import spanked the pinnacle of American sports car, that's embarassing.

You're still basing your opinion off of numbers on paper, which everyone knows means very little.
I would still bet my bottom dollar on the new 911 over the new Z06. Porsche is still a vastly superior manufacturer and car. Anyone who says they would rather roll around in a vette over a 911 is nickle and diming themselves. Don't get me wrong, I love the new vette, but it I had a choice I would always take the porsche, as would the vast majority of people.

and i could smoke that WRX with a GTO, or an old 5.0, or an old station wagon if i were to mod it... modded vs stock is NOT a fair comparison EVER.

I think you highly overestimate your driving abilities. Aparently that Z06 driver couldn't smoke that WRX. The AWD gives the car an incredible ability to launch, you have to be a extremely good driver to get a high powered RWD car to hook up like an AWD car. I personally don't think you're that "extremely skilled driver", don't take it personally or anything.

I wouldn't hesitate to put $1,000 on the line if I were to sit in the seat of that WRX and you in the seat of that z06 or even a GTO.

Also comparing a 2.0L 4 cyl to a 6L 8cyl isn't a fair comparison, "ever". The corvette has an engine 3 times the size of the WRX. For the WRX to take the Z06 is quite a feat, no matter what your fanboy mind tells you. Sure a modded Z06 would beat the WRX, but a modded 911 would utterly destroy a modded Z06. I love the Z06 and it is a great bang for the buck, but when you're in the market for a top notch porsche you're probably not considering a corvette. They are on different levels of quality, always have been, always will be.

Then why bring the silly WRX argument up? It's not that hard to launch a z06. 1st-2nd gear shifts are a bit rough at WOT.
If I race WRX's from the dig, it's not that scary. That AWD only gets you the first 60ft. After that they are pretty easy to catch up and pass.
Funny how the import guys like to race from 60. Then when the WRX came along it has to be from a dig.
That Z06 has a broad flat power curve. It's really easy to keep the RPM range in power.

I wish my 289 didn't need that much attention on the tach.

 

[Mardeth]

Random information: the first links pics are from Finland!

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: Nebor


And a 911 Turbo would walk a C6 Z06 at highway speeds. Although it appears that the gearing would leave the Z06 with a top speed advantage. Too bad, you'd think Porsche would just go ahead and build a 200mph 911 Turbo by now. They could if they wanted to.

i don't think the 911t would walk the z06 at highway speeds. the porsche is AWD, the vette is RWD. the porche will walk it from a dig, but the faster they go, the vette will catch up