Reuters Staff Abused by U.S. Troops in Iraq...EDIT:More detail

[ECUHITMAN]

You know what, just because I might view something from the left side (and sometimes from the right side) that does not mean I don?t want revenge for the killing of ANY AMERICAN. If it were up to me (and thank god its not) I would just say screw it, and nuke the entire Middle East. F*** it, who would stop us? But then again, I realize that this is really not a solution. There is always going to be prisoner abuse and there is always going to be murder. We as Americans need to realize we are part of the problem, and part of the solution.

Look we invaded their country under seemingly false pretense, but what we did is for the better good of the Middle East and the rest of the world. Even if you don?t agree it was worth it, you MUST agree we cannot allow Iraq to go back to the way it was (talk about breading even more terrorists). I don?t have any answers here; all I have (all any of us have) is opinion and a voice to make the changes we need to make. This infighting is what makes this country great, and keeps it from becoming even better.

 

[LunarRay]

Crimson,

Ya know.. there is some accuracy to your statement. It seems normal and a bit heartless that the 'anti Iraqi war' folks accept the misfortune of American or American sponsored folks in Iraq. Bad news seems to support the position propounded by the 'anti Iraqi involvement' folks. And, if all the 'Jane Fonda' folks were to suddenly just blow up it would not matter a twit to the 'War Hawks' who'd go celebrate. The opposition hopes for doom and gloom for the other side in order for the anti folks to be able to say.. "See"! There has to be some tragedy to point to and anything will be spun to accommodate this need.
I tried to recall the feelings I had as I viewed the video of the 'Berg' incident and as reasonably as I can I've concluded that I was not even considering the Berg family nor the fellow himself nor anyone there in a combat or other supportive role... I was thinking how gross it was and how this might affect public opinion on the war effort. A very cold and calculting posture, I agree.

I don't support the war effort but, don't hope for doom and gloom either. I'd hope each side could wage this war with feathers. No... I'm against it because of its predicate.. the issue that started it. The lies and illegal entry (In my opinion) that the 'Willing' propounded to get us there. And, the underlying Agenda and who may have developed it.

I suppose I'll never let loose of the theory that the basis to act was a false justifcation which resulted in the sacrifice many made and will make. All that flows from this for the American and the Iraqi belongs at the feet of the perpetrators of the decision to act. That is where all the hate and discontent should be directed... if I am right in stating that we had no legal right to invade. Perhaps we've forgotten the Article 51 fiasco and those missing WMD and the bombing of civilians... collateral damage and all that!

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Crimson
I'll assume that all of you liberals that have not posted a thread about Iraqi attrocities are ones who don't care. Because you care enough to start 50 threads on the American ABUSE, and nothing on Americans getting killed. You know who you are, asking for a list of names is just stupid..

Just do a thread search on the number of topics on Iraqi prisoner abuse, and the number on Michael Berg and the Contractors.. I think its clear a lot of people don't give a rip about American's dying.

Assume you say? Well, there's the problem right there!

As I recall, there were quite a few threads about Berg and quite a few threads about the contractors pulled from the burning wreckage of their SUV. But please, you're the one making the assertion, why don't YOU back it up for once? Show me one liberal who posted anything akin to what you're accusing.

Thats entirely my point.. liberals DON'T post threads condemning whats being done to Americans.. I can't post names of people that don't exist!

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
And also, Format C: is a known troll on these forums.

::Cookie:: and ::Headpat:: for Format C:

Zephyr

By troll you mean someone who disagrees with you?

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
And also, Format C: is a known troll on these forums.

::Cookie:: and ::Headpat:: for Format C:

Zephyr

By troll you mean someone who disagrees with you?

Don't mind him. He's just bitter over the fact that he chose to embark upon a course of unilateral disarmament prior to engaging in a battle of wits.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Crimson
I'll assume that all of you liberals that have not posted a thread about Iraqi attrocities are ones who don't care. Because you care enough to start 50 threads on the American ABUSE, and nothing on Americans getting killed. You know who you are, asking for a list of names is just stupid..

Just do a thread search on the number of topics on Iraqi prisoner abuse, and the number on Michael Berg and the Contractors.. I think its clear a lot of people don't give a rip about American's dying.

Assume you say? Well, there's the problem right there!

As I recall, there were quite a few threads about Berg and quite a few threads about the contractors pulled from the burning wreckage of their SUV. But please, you're the one making the assertion, why don't YOU back it up for once? Show me one liberal who posted anything akin to what you're accusing.

Thats entirely my point.. liberals DON'T post threads condemning whats being done to Americans.. I can't post names of people that don't exist!

They don't post threads condemning what's done to Americans because nobody would disagree with that. It's not worthy of debate. The fact is neocons tend to justify the prisoner abuse. Liberals don't think it's justifiable. Hence we debate.

Basically the fact liberals don't post about harms to Americans only shows there is no debate surrounding the fact that it's wrong to hurt Americans in ways like 9/11 and Berg.

 

[Czar]

I'll assume that all of you liberals that have not posted a thread about Iraqi attrocities are ones who don't care.

so any american that doesnt have a flag somewhere on his car hates america?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
You know what, just because I might view something from the left side (and sometimes from the right side) that does not mean I don?t want revenge for the killing of ANY AMERICAN. If it were up to me (and thank god its not) I would just say screw it, and nuke the entire Middle East. F*** it, who would stop us? But then again, I realize that this is really not a solution. There is always going to be prisoner abuse and there is always going to be murder. We as Americans need to realize we are part of the problem, and part of the solution.

Look we invaded their country under seemingly false pretense, but what we did is for the better good of the Middle East and the rest of the world. Even if you don?t agree it was worth it, you MUST agree we cannot allow Iraq to go back to the way it was (talk about breading even more terrorists). I don?t have any answers here; all I have (all any of us have) is opinion and a voice to make the changes we need to make. This infighting is what makes this country great, and keeps it from becoming even better.

:thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Thats entirely my point.. liberals DON'T post threads condemning whats being done to Americans.. I can't post names of people that don't exist!

but..but...but....I've been called a lib, liberal, commie-lib, etc. multiple times:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1312754&highlight_key=y&keyword1=berg

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

You are making wild assumptions. Most people are sickened by Nick Berg heinous execution.

Your post suggests that you think atrocities against Americans justifies atrocities against Iraqis. Correct me if I'm wrong.

(It should also be noted that these atrocities against Americans by Iraqis only started when the US invaded their country).

A shoe in the mouth or a finger in the ass is not an atrocity. Throwing people in a shredder feet first, now that is an atrocity.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Why do you think Bush threatened the Netherlands with an invasion if they would ever dare to drag an American before the International Court of Law? Better to threaten to attack allies than to risk getting into trouble over stuff like this.

 

[conjur]

Bump for update

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
Thats entirely my point.. liberals DON'T post threads condemning whats being done to Americans.. I can't post names of people that don't exist!

but..but...but....I've been called a lib, liberal, commie-lib, etc. multiple times:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1312754&highlight_key=y&keyword1=berg

Nowhere did you condemn it. Not once. I looked through every single Berg thread you posted on. Freely explored the conspiracy theory. Condemned the Prison abuse in about 100 different posts though...Feel free to prove us wrong.

Conjur, a True Moderate.

 

[Czar]

sick sick sick stuff, how anyone can defend this is just beyond me

I truly hope they change their minds if not then I guess they just have to go through the same process these guys did with a smile on their face :|

 

[chess9]

ECUHITMAN:

Passing your too casual invocation of the nuclear bomb card I agree with the thrust of your post.

America is a large part of the problem in the world, but Americans think we are the ONLY solution.

Hubris is an ugly duckling with polio.

-Robert

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Obviously I was not actually saying that we should use the nuke, I am just saying that I got so pissed off that I felt like I wanted to.

I know we are part of the problem, but it is also very important to understand that we are part of the solution. I know we are not the ONLY solution, but part of it. We MUST start working with other countries if we hope to really change anything.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
Thats entirely my point.. liberals DON'T post threads condemning whats being done to Americans.. I can't post names of people that don't exist!

but..but...but....I've been called a lib, liberal, commie-lib, etc. multiple times:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1312754&highlight_key=y&keyword1=berg

Nowhere did you condemn it. Not once. I looked through every single Berg thread you posted on. Freely explored the conspiracy theory. Condemned the Prison abuse in about 100 different posts though...Feel free to prove us wrong.

Conjur, a True Moderate.

Crimson, I am for the most part a liberal (obviously not a to the far left of the political strum) and I condemn any and all killings of any American. Just look at all of my posts if you don?t believe me. So, you cant put my name down as a liberal that doesn?t condemn what is being done to Americans. If you need me to post a new topic, Ill be glad to.

 

[conjur]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm supposed to actually use the word "condemn"? You are that dull that you need to be spoonfed?

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm supposed to actually use the word "condemn"? You are that dull that you need to be spoonfed?

If certain members were of the ruling classes, you citizenship would be on the line due to you lack of patriotic spinning.

Also certain members are so extreme they seem to have lost sight of what moderation is.

Zephyr