Reuters cameraman ordered held in Abu Ghraib

[Codewiz]

Basically, OUR soldiers are getting blown up by cars driving at checkpoints at high speeds. This car ran at high speed THROUGH the checkpoint and you expected them not to shoot? Come on now.

This is a no win situation in this case in the eyes of you guys. You nutcases will jump on the effort either way. If the soldiers aren't aggressive they get blown up and you say it is hopeless. Then we have these guys that drive at the checkpoint at high speed and our soldier shoot at them because they remember their friend getting blown up two months ago in the same type situation.

We can't win with you folks in the states not opening your eyes to the real situation here.

 

[realsup]

 

[realsup]

Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Basically, OUR soldiers are getting blown up by cars driving at checkpoints at high speeds. This car ran at high speed THROUGH the checkpoint and you expected them not to shoot? Come on now.

This is a no win situation in this case in the eyes of you guys. You nutcases will jump on the effort either way. If the soldiers aren't aggressive they get blown up and you say it is hopeless. Then we have these guys that drive at the checkpoint at high speed and our soldier shoot at them because they remember their friend getting blown up two months ago in the same type situation.

We can't win with you folks in the states not opening your eyes to the real situation here.

Ran through a checkpoint? Where does it say anything about a checkpoint?

And I guess it was necessary to seize the photos and video the cameraman took of the incident as well, right? We don't need real proof, because whatever the government says IS THE TRUTH. :roll:

I'm sure a pair of Reuters camera/sound men had NO CLUE about how to drive around Iraq. I'm sure they had NO CLUE about how to conduct themselves to avoid being shot. :roll:

Just like the [murdered] Italian agent who was also shot by US troops. Funny how in that incident, their behavior was also erratic, and somehow a group of professionals working in Iraq had just completely forgot how to conduct themselves in Iraq, forcing US troops to fire upon them. :roll:

I'm sure it has nothing to do with piece of sh1t US soldiers being trigger happy. :roll:

Seriously, these human pieces of garbage should be on roadside bomb detection duty. I'd be happy to add them to my signature. They are nothing short of murderers. They give decent soldiers a bad name.

 

[13Gigatons]

The Policy is to shoot first and let God sort it out.

I really can't blame them, most want to come alive and are getting a little trigger happy.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: realsup
Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

That is the absolute truth and then when you hear that people aren't able to use their jounalist equipment, you start to question if they are photographers or journalists at all.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: realsup
Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

That is the absolute truth and then when you hear that people aren't able to use their jounalist equipment, you start to question if they are photographers or journalists at all.

link?

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: realsup
Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

That is the absolute truth and then when you hear that people aren't able to use their jounalist equipment, you start to question if they are photographers or journalists at all.

link?

Got no link. You can dismiss if you want. All my info comes from people I talk to on a daily basis when shooting the sh*t with soldiers in Iraq.

Lately our conversations have been involving the craziness of New Orleans

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: realsup
Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

That is the absolute truth and then when you hear that people aren't able to use their jounalist equipment, you start to question if they are photographers or journalists at all.

link?

Got no link. You can dismiss if you want. All my info comes from people I talk to on a daily basis when shooting the sh*t with soldiers in Iraq.

Lately our conversations have been involving the craziness of New Orleans

hehe , well to convince anyone from the outside you need links to a reputable news source, I'm afraid word of mouth doesnt work

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: realsup
Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

That is the absolute truth and then when you hear that people aren't able to use their jounalist equipment, you start to question if they are photographers or journalists at all.

link?

Got no link. You can dismiss if you want. All my info comes from people I talk to on a daily basis when shooting the sh*t with soldiers in Iraq.

Lately our conversations have been involving the craziness of New Orleans

hehe , well to convince anyone from the outside you need links to a reputable news source, I'm afraid word of mouth doesnt work

Yeah that is the funny part. I can be here living it and I have no credibility but a news reporter who jumps in and gets his "story" has some.

Don't really bother me because I know the truth after getting here. I will never look at a war/natural disaster/conflict the same way again. I am just shocked at the media coverage all over the world in general.

I used to try to get a rounded view by keeping up with the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. They are all full of it and literaly have very little idea of what happens here. The best jounalist work I have seen is: http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/

But with him you are only getting a small piece of the story. It also happens to be in one of the worst parts of Iraq. My co-worker went up to Mosul on Tuesday. He will be able to provide some pretty good insight when he returned tomorrow or Sunday.

Like I said, I have no "credibility" except I am over here. Believe me or not. I don't care. I normally stay out of P&N. Actually I don't know that I have ever posted in it prior to this thread. I could be wrong though.

 

[Czar]

Thats true that the bbc, cnn and all the others very often seem distant, they just dont have the opertunity to provide deep insight on whats going on. I think that can be because of so many reasons, articles would be too long, people want to know but want to keep their distance from disasters and so on and so on.

Blogs are somewhat good but they are like I said, very limited and one sided. Frankly I would want more coverage on the average iraqi, they are the most important people in iraq after all but what we hear are about the soldiers and insurgents.

One question, if you have a camera with you, would it be possible for you to post some photographs from the area you are patroling? photographs often tell more than words about what is going on.

 

[Codewiz]

I am not patroling anywhere I am a software guy. I am here gathering data for analysis. So I do get out but I don't participate in daily convoys

Drop me a PM for my personal site with pictures. I don't want to give it out because it is a site I use for communication with my family and I don't need AT lunatics creating problems on it.

Also, I don't have a lot of relevant pictures that tell a story. Just random stuff that I take when I have time. I don't carry my camera with me very much.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: realsup
Ahmad Shah Masoud was killed by people posing as camermen. There have been several stories about journalists in the area working with terrorist cells.

That is the absolute truth and then when you hear that people aren't able to use their jounalist equipment, you start to question if they are photographers or journalists at all.

link?

Got no link. You can dismiss if you want. All my info comes from people I talk to on a daily basis when shooting the sh*t with soldiers in Iraq.

Lately our conversations have been involving the craziness of New Orleans

hehe , well to convince anyone from the outside you need links to a reputable news source, I'm afraid word of mouth doesnt work

Yeah that is the funny part. I can be here living it and I have no credibility but a news reporter who jumps in and gets his "story" has some.

Don't really bother me because I know the truth after getting here. I will never look at a war/natural disaster/conflict the same way again. I am just shocked at the media coverage all over the world in general.

I used to try to get a rounded view by keeping up with the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. They are all full of it and literaly have very little idea of what happens here. The best jounalist work I have seen is: http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/

But with him you are only getting a small piece of the story. It also happens to be in one of the worst parts of Iraq. My co-worker went up to Mosul on Tuesday. He will be able to provide some pretty good insight when he returned tomorrow or Sunday.

Like I said, I have no "credibility" except I am over here. Believe me or not. I don't care. I normally stay out of P&N. Actually I don't know that I have ever posted in it prior to this thread. I could be wrong though.

Maybe it was just me, but it sounded like you thought the camera guy should be held because you don't like how the media is covering Iraq. You also seem to really like and trust the military. On top of that, you want them to be tougher about holding people.

This is why people are questioning your reporting on the issues, you are far from unbiased about what's going on over there. You could be telling the honest truth for all I know, but even if you are over there, I'm pretty sure you're anything but objective. For all their faults, at least I know about where the various news agencies stand.

Just pointing it out, do whatever you want, but don't be surprised when people don't believe you. If you don't care, that's great, but I personally like hearing from people who have 1st hand knowledge of what is going on over there, I talk to soldiers I know who've been over there all the time. I just tend to stay away from the ones who seem to have a giant chip on their shoulder over liberals, journalists, or whatever.

 

[Codewiz]

"Maybe it was just me, but it sounded like you thought the camera guy should be held because you don't like how the media is covering Iraq."

Sorry if I gave that impression. I wish the media covered Iraq and covered it well. The media can cover the war anyway they want and I don't think we should hold REAL jounalists. However I do not believe that is the case in this situation. As for liking and trusting our military. Everyone soldier I have met appears to be doign the right thing. They want to do the right thing for the Iraqi people. They believe in what they are doing. Why not have trust in that?

Yes I want to be tougher on holding people because just recently a prisoner was released that we KNEW for an absolute fact was an insurgent. However we had zero physical concrete proof of anything. He was released and the following week killed 3 soldiers. He is now in custody for his crimes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
"Maybe it was just me, but it sounded like you thought the camera guy should be held because you don't like how the media is covering Iraq."

Sorry if I gave that impression. I wish the media covered Iraq and covered it well. The media can cover the war anyway they want and I don't think we should hold REAL jounalists. However I do not believe that is the case in this situation. As for liking and trusting our military. Everyone soldier I have met appears to be doign the right thing. They want to do the right thing for the Iraqi people. They believe in what they are doing. Why not have trust in that?

Yes I want to be tougher on holding people because just recently a prisoner was released that we KNEW for an absolute fact was an insurgent. However we had zero physical concrete proof of anything. He was released and the following week killed 3 soldiers. He is now in custody for his crimes.

So you are over there lining your pockets/profiteering or are you there to help the Iraqis?

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Codewiz
"Maybe it was just me, but it sounded like you thought the camera guy should be held because you don't like how the media is covering Iraq."

Sorry if I gave that impression. I wish the media covered Iraq and covered it well. The media can cover the war anyway they want and I don't think we should hold REAL jounalists. However I do not believe that is the case in this situation. As for liking and trusting our military. Everyone soldier I have met appears to be doign the right thing. They want to do the right thing for the Iraqi people. They believe in what they are doing. Why not have trust in that?

Yes I want to be tougher on holding people because just recently a prisoner was released that we KNEW for an absolute fact was an insurgent. However we had zero physical concrete proof of anything. He was released and the following week killed 3 soldiers. He is now in custody for his crimes.

So you are over there lining your pockets/profiteering or are you there to help the Iraqis?

I am a DoD Civilian not a contractor if you understand the diference. Can't line my pockets. I don't get paid jacksh*t to be over here.

On another note, I am not directly here to help the lives of Iraqis. I am here to directly support our military in the hunt for insurgents. This will directly help our military and indirectly help the Iraqis.

Any other questions?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Codewiz
"Maybe it was just me, but it sounded like you thought the camera guy should be held because you don't like how the media is covering Iraq."

Sorry if I gave that impression. I wish the media covered Iraq and covered it well. The media can cover the war anyway they want and I don't think we should hold REAL jounalists. However I do not believe that is the case in this situation. As for liking and trusting our military. Everyone soldier I have met appears to be doign the right thing. They want to do the right thing for the Iraqi people. They believe in what they are doing. Why not have trust in that?

Yes I want to be tougher on holding people because just recently a prisoner was released that we KNEW for an absolute fact was an insurgent. However we had zero physical concrete proof of anything. He was released and the following week killed 3 soldiers. He is now in custody for his crimes.

So you are over there lining your pockets/profiteering or are you there to help the Iraqis?

I am a DoD Civilian not a contractor if you understand the diference. Can't line my pockets. I don't get paid jacksh*t to be over here.

On another note, I am not directly here to help the lives of Iraqis. I am here to directly support our military in the hunt for insurgents. This will directly help our military and indirectly help the Iraqis.

Any other questions?

Well if you aren't getting paid Jack Sh!t for being over there in that sh!thole and you aren't there on orders (like those in the military) Why in the world are you there for? Adventure, Patriotism, can't get a job stateside?

 

[Codewiz]

When I say I am not getting paid jacksh*t I mean in regards to what I already make as a DoD civilian. We have contractors over here making six figures. I will make maybe 50-60K this year total. The only extra benefit over my base salary is danger pay. Which isn't much. Not to mention military get their salary tax free and so do contractors here over a year. DoD Civilians however don't get anything tax free. So money isn't my reason for being here.

I am on DoD orders similar to the military. My job stateside is the same one I here. Just different operating environment. The military needed someone to be here to do the job I am doing. I volunteered to do the work because I felt I was the best person to do it. In the process I missed my first anniversary with my wife, I will miss my mom's birthday and my birthday. I am not sure on the holidays yet.

Basically it boils down to, I did what I felt was the right thing to do.