Retirement accounts have lost $2 trillion so far

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ge/meltdown_retirement

Retirement accounts have lost $2 trillion so far
Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months ? about 20 percent of their value ? Congress' top budget analyst estimated Tuesday as lawmakers began investigating how turmoil in the financial industry is whittling away workers' nest eggs.

The upheaval that has engulfed financial firms and sent the stock market plummeting is also devastating people's savings, forcing families to hold off on major purchases and even delay retirement, Peter Orszag, the head of the Congressional Budget Office, told the House Education and Labor Committee.

As Congress investigates the causes and effects of the meltdown, the panel pressed economists and other analysts on how the housing, credit and other financial troubles have battered pensions and other retirement funds, which are among the most common forms of savings in the United States.

"Unlike Wall Street executives, America's families don't have a golden parachute to fall back on," said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., the panel chairman. "It's clear that their retirement security may be one of the greatest casualties of this financial crisis."

More than half the people surveyed in an Associated Press-GfK poll taken Sept. 27-30 said they worry they will have to work longer because the value of their retirement savings has declined.

Orszag indicated the fear is well-founded. Public and private pension funds and employees' private retirement savings accounts ? like 401(k)'s ? lost about 10 percent between the middle of 2007 and the middle of this year, and lost another 10 percent just in the past three months, he estimated.

Private retirement plans may have suffered slightly more because those holdings are more heavily skewed toward stocks, Orszag added.




Well, we can be grateful Bushes plan to take 25 percent of Social Security taxes and give it to individuals to invest never happened.
Imagine how f*cked Americans would be now.
 

Cobalt

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My 401k took a pretty nice hit, just changed my contributions today.
 

Lemon law

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Oh great, our financial geniuses bet my 401-k on their stupidity. Maybe we need to talk about new lock boxes.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: her209
Its a "loss" on paper.

Yea, 13 years worth for me. I have now put more money into my 401k than it is worth, and that's 13 years worth of my blood, sweat......and now tears.
 

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The 00-01 bubble was worse, especially if you were heavily in tech. Tech brought down the rest of the economy just as financial firms are bringing down the rest of this one. I wouldn't be shocked if the current recession is just as bad as the last one, but a recovery this time next year is not out of the question. Dow isn't going to stay at 9500 forever.
 

OrByte

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this is pretty tragic.

My dad was planning to retire in december. I doubt that now.

My mom in 2 years. I doubt that now.

My Father in law in 8 months. I doubt that now.

this is pretty tragic.

edit: and all 3 went out yesterday and changed their contributions.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: her209
Its a "loss" on paper.

Yea, 13 years worth for me. I have now put more money into my 401k than it is worth, and that's 13 years worth of my blood, sweat......and now tears.

Ouch.

I did the unthinkable - I took out a loan from mine last year to pay off my remaining consumer debt. Turned out to be a wise move, I think.
 

nageov3t

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how many of these people are actually near retirement, though?

my 401k's taken a hit for sure, but I'm so far away from retirement that it doesn't really phase me. I just don't open my statements anymore. lol.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: her209
Its a "loss" on paper.

Yea, 13 years worth for me. I have now put more money into my 401k than it is worth, and that's 13 years worth of my blood, sweat......and now tears.

Ouch.

I did the unthinkable - I took out a loan from mine last year to pay off my remaining consumer debt. Turned out to be a wise move, I think.

I have received about half of my contributions back for each of the last three years + the gains from that money because I worked so much overtime that I fell into the "Highly Compensated Employee" category. I was very pissed at the time, but looking at it now, it was actually a blessing in disguise as the gains were substansial then. I used the last one to pay off my last debt, my daughters car.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: loki8481
how many of these people are actually near retirement, though?

my 401k's taken a hit for sure, but I'm so far away from retirement that it doesn't really phase me. I just don't open my statements anymore. lol.

About 60% of the employees in my plant have between 30 and 42 years experience and are all over 50 years old with about 30% over 60 years old. They received their first 401k coverage in 1999. They have been slaughtered in that 9 year span. Many tried to follow the "dream" and become personally responsible for their own retirement. I guess they can just suck off of SS like the rest. I don't think that many people my age or younger will get SS and that's why I took the initiative to save for my own. I guess I can only hope that it rebounds. Sucks regardless.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: loki8481
how many of these people are actually near retirement, though?

my 401k's taken a hit for sure, but I'm so far away from retirement that it doesn't really phase me. I just don't open my statements anymore. lol.

About 60% of the employees in my plant have between 30 and 42 years experience and are all over 50 years old with about 30% over 60 years old. They received their first 401k coverage in 1999. They have been slaughtered in that 9 year span. Many tried to follow the "dream" and become personally responsible for their own retirement. I guess they can just suck off of SS like the rest. I don't think that many people my age or younger will get SS and that's why I took the initiative to save for my own. I guess I can only hope that it rebounds. Sucks regardless.
Hopefully if they were close enough to retirement they'd have a bunch not in stocks, though. Still, undoubtedly the situation has soured to the extent that some who otherwise could have retired now cannot.
 

Insomniator

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I don't understand, don't they only lose it if they sell it now? Couldn't it recover in 10 years, 5 years, or even 1 year?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Insomniator
I don't understand, don't they only lose it if they sell it now? Couldn't it recover in 10 years, 5 years, or even 1 year?
That's one way to look at it, but the same could be said of a $50 stock that's now 4 cents, that it's no loss until they sell. It's not really getting at the essence.

On the other hand, if 14k dow was overvalued, or had come up too fast, it's not like the entire $2T was "earned" or deserved anyway.

 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: cobalt
My 401k took a pretty nice hit, just changed my contributions today.

Hopefully to increase the % and shift 100% future buys to stock index funds.

Now is the worst time to stop buying or to move to overpriced bond & money market funds. Buy stocks low, while you can. If you wait for the market to climb back up you'll miss the initial growth.

Either that, or decide we're all doomed and put your money into guns and canned goods.
 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Now is the worst time to stop buying or to move to overpriced bond & money market funds. Buy stocks low, while you can. If you wait for the market to climb back up you'll miss the initial growth.
Listen to the man. Dollar cost averaging FTW.

You young guys should do some reading and quit listening to your friends. Your portfolio should have been well diversified into numerous asset classes. How much you have in each asset class should have been determined by your risk tolerance, time line and goals. You should be re-balancing on a regular basis. Right now, you should be selling what's made you money and buying what's low.

It's vitally important that you educate yourselves and start making the best decisions you can in regards to your investing. You're moving from job to job, there will be no pension for you and you can't count on Social Security.

No one is going to make sure you're doing this right. It's entirely up to you. Quit trying to time the market. It can't be done. If you don't believe that, all you need to do is read post after post here at the Forum's. Everyone's got a plan - after the fact. No crystal balls.

Quit listening to your friends. They crow about their successes and keep mum about their failures.

Come up with a plan, stick to the plan. Rethink your plan when something big happens. Like China drops a nuke on us. That's big, what's happening now isn't.

Look at this chart of the Dow from early 2000 to mid September of 2008. Look at the wild swings.

http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia2000.html

Now look at a chart of the Dow from 1900 to mid September of 2008.

http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia1900.html

What do you see? What's happening now is a blip in a long term upward trend.

I'll get off my soapbox for now.


 

Jawo

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I'm glad I only have to work another 50 or 60 years.....................
 

LegendKiller

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Fuck 'em. They caused this problem and are to blame, they should share in the downside.

Ohhh, these retirement accounts aren't just for CEOs.

Sorry, forgot.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Fuck 'em. They caused this problem and are to blame, they should share in the downside.

Ohhh, these retirement accounts aren't just for CEOs.

Sorry, forgot.

Where's my fucking golden parachute then?
 

IEC

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IMO some Wall Street people need to be CRUCIFIED for taking a series of risky bets with money that wasn't theirs... leading to this huge mess and killing the value of everyone's portfolios with the fallout.

I'm really glad I'm still in college and had only about $3,000 that I put into various investments. While my "losses" are about 50% so far I have the luxury of (hopefully) many years ahead of me for a rebound. I'm going to continue to invest more since stocks I wouldn't have bought before are suddenly good values (in some instances).
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Fuck 'em. They caused this problem and are to blame, they should share in the downside.

Ohhh, these retirement accounts aren't just for CEOs.

Sorry, forgot.

Where's my fucking golden parachute then?

It's called a TARP.