[Retired] The LCD Thread

[Triplehammer]

A HardOCP member is successfully using the 27" iMac on a PC with an ATi 5870 video card by using a $20 DVI Female to mini Displayport male adapter:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1462524

Another larger HardOCP thread about the 27" iMac is here:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1461656

Teardown reports that the panel is an LG LM270WQ1:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown...c-Intel-27-Inch/1236/1

So you can buy a 27" 2560x1440 16:9 IPS LED-backlight monitor with glossy finish for $1500, and get an iMac in the bargain. Any two of those six attributes would be hot. The only catch is the mini-Displayport format - you will need to carefully research how you will connect to that, especially with a game console or stand-alone DVD/Blu-Ray player.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: brodriguez
Got a usability question boiling down to this: would you recommend (a) 2x24" or (b) 24"+30" or (c) 2x30"?

My typical use would be to mostly to multitask (video on one screen, 2 open applications on the other screen) with occasional gaming (using just one screen).

I have a BenQ G2400WD (thanks for the recommendation). Now that I want to buy a 2nd monitor, it's out of stock. So I'm kicking around a few options:

Option (a): 2x24" (Dell U2410). The main benefit seems to be the aesthetics of matching monitors. A 24" monitor is a little cramped to run 2 applications side by side on - I tend to use ~1200 pixels for one window, leaving limited space for the second.

Option (b): 1x24" (my existing BenQ G2400WD) plus 1x30" (Dell 3008WFP). I imagine that I could game on the 24", or watch video on the 24" while using 2 applications on the 30" screen.

Option (c): 2x30" (Dell 3007WFP). Other than cost, the main drawback seems like it would be harder to game at the native resolution. Oh, and streaming video will probably look even uglier at 30".

Based on the above, I think I'm leaning towards Option (b). Thoughts?

I don't like having different sized monitors.

I think 2x24" is the best idea. I believe 2x30" is a little excessive, and also very demanding in terms of resolution. Not that 24" isn't, but it's a little easier on the video card.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: log1kq2
It seems as if my trusty CRT (Viewsonic a90F) is finally on it's last legs. So now I'm in the market for an LCD. And I can't seem to decide or choose the right one.

I do game occassionally, mostly older games like quake 2, quake 3, doom3 etc....

I also do some light video editting and photo work.

My budget is up to $500(and if it's worth it, a little more, mind you if something can be had for less I'd consider it )

I currently have a q660cpu, and a GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB.

Bottom line is I'm looking for the best possible all-round panel. I was thinking about picking up an HP LP2475w. Not sure if that is the right decision though. What do you guys think?


Thanks in advance.

Hopefully you're still looking for a reply. The Dell U2410 is actually the best deal for a 24" H-IPS panel right now. Gaming mode ensures lower input lag, too. This is what I'd recommend to you, if you can afford it with coupons or other discounts. Otherwise, the LP2475w.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: tw33ter
I need a cheap lcd, maybe 20" ? for my parents. All they do is surf the net...

Look at the HP models. These are very good values for LCDs.

Originally posted by: Brisos
Well... I knew nothing about LCDs and wanted to buy one. I read most of the OP and scanned through the rest of this (long) thread. Finally came to a decision on the BenQ G2400WD. It is an impossible decision for someone with no experience to make, but the reviews, price and size all seem to fit.

And of course not a single store is carrying it.

I know this question has been asked a hundred times (I grew tired of reading it myself) but... here it comes... wait for it...

What monitor should I get?

More specifically, mainly for gaming and HD movies from time to time - in the 23 or 24" size and in the "below 401$" bracket - and assuming that the BenQ G2400WD was a good choice - is there anything that compares?

Yes, however, there's a dearth of 1920x1200 24" TN LCDs. 1920x1080 is the primary choice nowadays for cheaper TN series.

Of course if the BenQ is available somewhere that might solve my problem too. But most of the usual suspects (and even the shadiest sites listed in pricegrabber-type search engines) seem to be out of stock.

I appreciate all the info gathered in this thread and thank you all for that, even if no answer is found for my questions.

I think all stock of the G2400WD has been exhausted at this point. I am on the lookout for new 24" TN 1920x1200 LCDs. Meanwhile, the BenQ E2400HD and ASUS VK246h are great 1920x1080 choices.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Plutoburn
I am looking for a 24" monitor for the computer in my sig. I use it 40% for game, 30% for movie 20% for surfing and 10% for office work. My budget is flexible, my speaker system works great so I don't need a monitor with speakers attached, HDMI is not necessary for me. I want a good quality monitor under $500. Please suggest one for me.

The HP LP2475w is a good choice near your price bracket...

Otherwise, I would go for an ASUS VK246h. It looks like 1920x1200 LCDs are evaporating at a very fast pace. But even the BenQ E2400HD, 1920x1080, is no longer available. I don't know what BenQ is going to replace it with. The G2410HD is perhaps the replacement, so this might be a promising buy, too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: kayan
Hey guys, I've been reading this thread for about a week now, seeing as how I'm in the market for a new LCD. My current is a LG 22" 1680x1050. I picked up a Samsung 1920x1080, and while the picture is great, it's not really what I want, so I will be taking it back. A 1920 x 1200 rez 24" or so is what I really want to have as my next screen. I've browsed the recommendation lists multiple times and have looked online everywhere that I know of (including ebay) and most of the 1920x12 monitors have been discontinued. I mostly game (L4D, Dragon Age soon, World in Conflict, CoD: MW2, etc...) on my pc and my video card is a Radeon 5870 so the size/rez shouldn't be an issue. I also watch some dvd's and stream through Netflix.

I've narrowed it down to a few diff models, the Gateway FHD2401, the Samsung 2493, and the Asus VW266H (each of which are around 300), and honestly that is my budget, but should I save up some more for the Dell u2410, or one of the HP ones? Was also juggling around the possibility of a Samsung T240/260HD. Will I be able to tell that much of a difference between the 300 and the 600 price tag?

I don't like Samsung's selections at this size. They are quite subpar compared to other choices. Asus's VW266H is good, and Dell's U2410/HP LP2475w are excellent. I usually recommend people just save for the Dell and HP, but if that is not possible, the ASUS will be a great gaming monitor if not faster than the Dell and HP due to its TN panel. The Dell and HP will provide much better colors, and also good speed, however.

I could use some help deciding, and some opinions from more monitor savvy people than myself.

I'd really prefer a monitor with stand adjustments (height mostly), and also I prefer glossy screens/bezels.

Thanks in advance!!

The Dell and HP have great ergonomics. The ASUS only has tilt and mount from what I'm seeing, not pivot (portrait mode) or height adjustment. None of these is glossy in any way. The Gateway you suggested is glossy, however, its color reproduction isn't really up to par with the other panels. At least, the FHD2400's rendering of dark tones was quite poor, and the glossy and TN panel didn't help with this.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Insidious Fix
Heyas,
I too have been doing a lot of reading through this thread and through the redirects/extra info, for instance http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php and http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...33rz.html#Introduction.
I'm looking for a monitor which is available here in NZ. A lot mentioned are, a few are not and possibly a few are sold under different model numbers I've as yet been unable to figure which are which.
Size 22" to 24" range mainly for Fps gaming but a bit of dvd watching and general browsing.
I have noticed a few comments (slightly negative) in regards to LED back lighting yet the Samsung XL 2370 LED looks like a very nice monitor with pretty good response times yet I've found no info on input lag etc.
Using the digitalversus.com com duel, it comes out looking pretty good even against the 2233rz but what the hell would I know.
This is the only confusing component choice in regards to my computer.
I would prefer 1920x1**0 over 1680x1050 yet the rz sounds damned appealing. Either way , they are surely well above my AOC 210v.
Choices recommended by others (gamers and retailers) are the LG w2353v-pf and the respective samsungs 2443bw+ and 2494hs. The LED XL2370 and the recommended 120hz 2233rz. I like the samsungs 3 year perfect pixel warranty.
Atm i'm using a Palit 4870 1gb sonic video card but I am doing a full upgrade of components as prices drop into what I consider reasonable pricepoints. Early new gen adoption FTL cash wise on vid cards etc.
I'm very interested in your comments on these monitors xtknight and would appreciate your advice.
Also to those who own the above listed monitors, your comments would be welcome too.
Cheers.

The XL2370 actually looks very promising value-wise. At first I was mistaken and thought this was one of their high-end professional PVAs. I think it is a TN...

The 2233rz is indeed going to be better for any of these when it comes to gaming, and the resolution shouldn't be a huge factor in your decision. 1680x1050 is good for gaming, and it's easier on the video card.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Brisos
So any monitor that would compare to the BenQ G2400W, since it is nowhere to be found?

Again I am looking for something around $400 or less mostly for gaming (on a 4870X2).

I was almost decided on the Acer G24 and it is not available anywhere either.

The 26" ASUS VW266h will compare to it, however it is 26" not 24":

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...16824236047&Tpk=vw266h

For 24" 1920x1200 TN LCDs, you're out of luck right now when it comes to my recommendations...literally, I see nothing except a Hyundai and L2445w which I don't know anything about. There is also the NEC ASLCD24WMCX-BK and Samsung 2443BWT, neither of which are anything to write home about. Some of these might not even have overdrive.

I will update my list when I have the time and energy, this I can promise. When that will be I cannot promise. And, I am still waiting from a response from Derek about the new forums and why my thread will not work well on them.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: djkilla
xtknight - What currently is the best 22-23 inch monitor for multimedia and a little gaming? I think you said Dell 2209WA because it's an eIPS panel and has good timings but I forgot. Thanks in advance!

Hmm...best 22" for multimedia? The Dell 2209WA is great.

The best 23"? Some type of H-IPS panel if you can find it. Philips has one available in other countries and there is a great Apple Cinema 23" panel, however PC interfacing is rather poor. 24" is really where it's at...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: albovin
Hi xtknight,
referring readers to your recommendations list as usual, I have found very strange things.

1. The first thing that surprised me is the Dell U2410 position.
In short, a fact of presence of (at least) the NEC 2490WUXi in your list simply cancels the Dell U2410.

Again, why is that when the 2490 has so many fewer inputs than the Dell? And when the Dell is about half the price? I'd rather have a Dell to be honest with you. The NEC provides little extra value for most customers. Besides, it sucks that the NECs cannot input 1080i. Multimedia monitor? Did they fix that on the WUXi2s?

In an ideal world everything would be input digitally. But that's not the case in the real world. Sometimes devices may only have component output. Or maybe the DVI just won't work, say, when it's 1080i... or maybe there are overscan issues with it. Maybe it outputs the wrong DVI color space. You know, YPbPr analog does have some advantages in being much simpler to deal with.

To be more detailed, I would assume that the position of the NEC 2490WUXi2 can be not as strong as the 2490WUXi due to the lack of A-TW polarizer.

That's correct. The A-TW polarizer is no longer manufactured. I have not placed the 2490WUXi2 on the list but will do so soon.

It's more difficult to find the NEC 2490WUXi now, but it's still available.
This monitor is head and shoulders above the Dell U2410 in any aspect with the little exception for some kind of imaginary preprint business due to wider color gamut.

Practical value of "12-bit LUT" and "10-bit panel" on a mid-level consumer monitor (Dell U2410) sounds like a gimmick unless thorough testing and practice confirms otherwise.

Yeah, the 12-bit LUT is sort of a gimmick like the 14-bit LUTs on the NECs or the 16-bit LUTs on the Eizos. But it does make the grayscale look a little better. And, 10-bit, eh who knows, it can't hurt I guess. I still don't know if it actually works. The NEC doesn't even mention the capability of 10-bit whatsoever, though. So NEC gets some honesty points maybe if the Dell can't actually do it, but we do know the panel inside the Dell can accept a 10-bit signal.

Dell's products are famous for the expecting of new revisions next day after the product is released to correct problems. The Dell U2410 is not an exception.
Have you ever heard about the NEC 2490WUXi revisions to correct anything? I have not.

No, but the Dell costs half as much and tries to do different things cheaper. So I guess I would expect revisions from it. Plus Dell isn't really a first-line or experienced monitor manufacturer. They farm it all out to some cheap people.

Regarding TFTCentral review you link. Unfortunately, it's not the best review we've had from there.
You probably need to have a look at that review discussion on TFTCentral forum. To my honest regret, the review is not complete and the reviewer himself is confused with some important things.

The Dell U2410 is a raw product so far. Although it failed to reach the quality of a true sRGB monitor, it's still promising and has a good potential.

The Dell U2410 is reported to have stronger AG coating, it lacks eye strain reducing technology - by no means it's any better for the office use than 2490/2690.
The question is if it's any better than, let's say, the HP 2475w.

Multimedia? The NEC 2490WUXi has A-TW polarizer = industry best viewing angles for photo/video (no glow!), can be internally calibrated for blu-ray/PS3 support. The Dell U2410 has nothing of that kind.

Not anymore really...the 2490WUXi isn't really available. There is just some overstock of it. It has been superseded by the A-TW-less 2490WUXi2. Yes, the 2490WUXi on my list should be changed to 2490WUXi2.

I think the Dell U2410 will deserve recommendation after some more reviews to make the picture more consistent and with the notes of some prematurity issues.
Of course, the Dell U2410 position is around 4-5.
#1 is out of the question. Sorry to use this strong statement, but the current situation is too obvious.

2. I have found two prehistoric 5:4 19-inchers recommended for office use...

What's wrong with that? Have 19" TN monitors changed a lot in the past three years? Actually I think they are coming out with more price-saving ideas like lower resolution, less ergonomics, and forced dynamic contrast.

3. I have found the Samsung 305T among recommendations for multimedia...
Actually this is an "anti"multimedia monitor. It's an example of what a multimedia monitor should not be. It's a bare panel with one PC input. It's not a question if it has scaling. It has nothing.

Yeah, I mean, the 305T isn't quite as good as the 2490 for multimedia. It has less inputs. It has a great picture though, a big size, and decent viewing angles. You can play Blu-Rays on it from the PC, I suppose, if you're using the DVI input for your PC. Or you could get a DVI switch. Is it really that bad? But I guess that's why the U2410 is above the 305T and 2490WUXi(2). Their inputs really aren't that versatile. The 2490WUXi is quite a ways above the 305T. Eh, I like the H-IPS of the U2410 but the 2408 is lower due to its S-PVA even though it has more inputs.

I apologize 1000 times, but I cannot refer readers to the list of recommendations in it's current condition because it does not reflect the reality (temporarily I hope!).

With respect to your hard work.

That's fine, albovin. No need to apologize. You can tell users your own recommendations. I have to say I don't agree with a single one of your arguments in this particular post, at least yet. Yes, I have removed the Samsung c-PVAs from the Photo Editing section, and also the TN. I guess these were shallow oversights of my own making. And I would like to discuss this post further, just in case. I'm always up for a good discussion about LCDs. Lately, the dearth of high-end panels has caused me to instead juggle the pros/cons of TNs, which is something I am really getting tired of doing. I would much rather be comparing the PVA and IPS panels. TNs are far more similar to one another and are simply not a big deal to differentiate anymore. We'll figure out a consensus, I think.

 

[ZealPath]

Well after all of my bad experiences with viewing angles and text reading on cheap TN panels, it seems clear that I need to start looking beyond the local Best Buy and ordering some higher quality monitors. Can I safely assume the majority of my concerns with the top half of the lcd looking darker than the bottom half would be addressed by using say, IPS instead of TN?

I have also been mostly annoyed by wide gamut monitors, which from what I've seen, seems to be all that one can find these days. That said, some research shows that there are still a lot of non-wide LCDs being sold, they just aren't what you'll likely bump into in the stores.

The biggest problem I've probably had with the LCDs I've tried in the past is when transitioning from say, a darker game screen, to a mostly-white explorer window, my eyes have been overwhelmed by the brightness of the white. However, when turning down the brightness, I would find that most of the other colors would look washed out, to the point where I could not really justify having the new monitor as it didn't really feel like it was any nicer than my CRTs, and caused my eyes problems for the most part.

My top priority is just having something that I can read off of easily with minimal eyestrain. I think my CRT is finally starting to die on me and I'd love to replace it before its gone, it deserves some rest. Being able to play games without ghosting is important, but it does not have to be focused entirely on gaming (long as it can play an fps without ghosting, should be fine).

Some reading has suggested that a simple monitor like the Dell UltraSharp 2007FP (S-IPS version anyway) might be the kind of thing I'm looking for (not wide, supposedly easy on the eyes, not the best but not impossible to game on). I believe this is a somewhat older monitor though, and I have also read that it is subject to panel lottery so I may not even get what I want if I were to order one.

I would definitely appreciate some suggestions from anyone more in the loop on what might make sense here, I just need something simple that won't hurt my eyes, and it's been a challenge so far.

 

[albovin]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Again, why is that when the 2490 has so many fewer inputs than the Dell? And when the Dell is about half the price? I'd rather have a Dell to be honest with you. The NEC provides little extra value for most customers. Besides, it sucks that the NECs cannot input 1080i. Multimedia monitor? Did they fix that on the WUXi2s?

In an ideal world everything would be input digitally. But that's not the case in the real world. Sometimes devices may only have component output. Or maybe the DVI just won't work, say, when it's 1080i... or maybe there are overscan issues with it. Maybe it outputs the wrong DVI color space. You know, YPbPr analog does have some advantages in being much simpler to deal with.

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This is what we test monitors for. We get experience and knowleadge to move further. We don't need to start fom the first page every time.

OK.Again.
It has been documented long ago that Component/S-Video/Composite connections are useless on PC monitors. They simply don't work properly. They just spoil the picture. Those are bells and whistles that don't sound.

A PC monitor connectivity is defined by digital connectors. There are no video connectors to talk about other than digital (D-Sub is PC connector).
A single HDMI is not acceptable due to "overscan and YPbPr issues" and this is DVI that provides a quality connection.
There must be at least one DVI connector.
Two DVIs (or DVI and HDMI) are required for a universal PC monitor. That's enough to watch 1080P video or play PS3 along with quality PC connection.
The NEC 2490 has 2 DVI (and D-Sub).
The Dell U2410 has one more - HDMI. For the obvious reason I don't count DisplayPort.

No 1080i - it's not an issue to be fixed. PC signal and 1080p are not "i". We need "p" for better quality, not "i". So no one is going to "fix" it.
The NEC 2490 supports 24Hz, the Dell U2410 does not. I don't count it as an issue either.

Saying "the NEC provides little extra value for most customers" you are making a huge mistake.
The NEC 2490WUXi with A-TW polarizer is a unique outstanding monitor - no match among other brands even for 2x, 3x price. Uncomparable picture quality is "little extra value" that it provides for all customers.
Yes, it's worth twice as much as the Dell U2410 (with 100 inputs) because the NEC 2490WUXi image quality is not achievable on the Dell U2410. Two different classes.

A wise man told me once:"Explain to me what is good and why. Then I will decide myself if it is expensive or not. What is expensive for you may be not expensive for me."
The current price is the last thing an expert should take into consideration.
Yes, it's reasonable to draw attention to real bargains, why not?
We also do skip Eizos due to price, but for a reason: they provide same or less quality than monitors ~2 times less expensive. But we don't skip NECs: higher price for higher quality.

Weighing if the NEC 2490WUXi is better?
My friend, "NEC 2490WUXi to disappear soon! Rush and grab it while available!" - this is what should be written on top of recommendations list.
"Display du Century" comes first, "Display du Jour" comes next.

 

[aequasi]

ok since this thread is a little older than the current lcd monitors, what is the best 24in monitor for hardcore gaming?

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm currently on the verge of buying a hp 2709m after seeing it in the store.

Looked impressive at first glance, it's the first LCD I could comfortably read from with a resolution larger than 16x10. Note that I?ve not looked at or considered any 30?.

I like what I've read online about it, if anyone has anything to add then PLEASE let me hear it within the next 36hrs, or I might have purchased it by then. I intend to go back for a second look tomorrow to make sure I didn?t miss any glaring issues.

I?m a bit curious why I haven?t found any information in these forums for it yet.

Anyways, I?ll report back on my experience if I buy it sooner rather than later. Otherwise you might not hear back until the beginning of December.

 

[LtPage1]

I'm about a week away from pulling the trigger on a Dell U2410. Anyone have a reason to talk me out of it? I'm keeping an eye out for coupons.

 

[ujai]

Hello..

I'm thinking of buying Dell ST2410 for my gaming (World of Warcraft) and movie viewing as the current promotion for the LCD is within my budget. Is it worth it?

By the way, I've tried searching a review in this forum but came out as error message. Hope that I can get my answers here.

Thanks in advance

 

[ExcaliburMM]

Was looking for a 1900x1200 gaming solution, ~300$ at 24" or over and decided on the ASUS VW266H Black 25.5". I saw it listed in the gaming section here and figured its probably going to be a good buy. Any other suggestions meeting the criteria?

 

[Jodiuh]

Just wanted to chime in w/ my opinion on the Dell U2410f as I've now had the opportunity to put one through it's paces next to my trusty 3yr old Dell 2007WFP S-IPS.

TXT Clarity:
For starters, the 2410's txt looks a bit more blurry than the 2007 and not as sharp. There's just something not quite "right" about the 2410 when I view and and I can't put my finger on it. But when reading the 2007, it feels more like reading paper as opposed to a computer screen. TXT and overall "webbing" feels more clear. Like it's just there instead of pixels floating around.

Colors:
Next, colors even in SRGB mode just don't look as "normal" to me as the 2007WFP. I attempted to adjust in custom color mode, but I've no such device to help me w/ this and gave up after awhile of futzering w/ it. I'm by no means a calibration expert. Also, the standard, gaming, multimedia, etc modes are worthless as they all tint the image to extreme colors, ie. gaming mode turns everything red. Also, only gaming gives you access to dynamic contrast and only custom gives you access to changing the colors. So you're stuck w/ red. I tried to change the settings in the Nvidia control panel, but once a game launched, the colors reverted back to red, ignoring my settings. I'm a simple guy and there's nothing I have to mess w/ on the 2007 for it to look "right." It just does. That goes a long way for me. During the time of owing the 2410, it just seems like it's added more complexity and frustration to my computing experience.

Brightness and light sensitivity factor:
I'm extremely sensitive to bright sources of light. I get migraines daily now. The 2410 is the sun to me. I need to crank it down far enough so that white becomes grey and this saddens me. The 2007 on the other hand can be dim enough to avoid fatigue whilst still remaining white and keeping blue BLUE and not lame light color challenged anemic blue. The 2410 is a bright monitor and you really need it to be running fairly hot to see the colors. Also, through my glasses, at even the slightest angle, there's a reddish hologram shadow effect to txt or lines in general that give me incredible amounts of eye pain. I don't see this at all w/ my contacts, so it could just be the type of glasses I own. Either way, I can't sit in front of this monitor for more than 30 minutes at night before feeling fatigued. Keep in mind, I'm a heavy migraine sufferer. Also, that the 2007 does not cause me this issue.

Controls:
Ok, so I figured out you don't need to press them hard to function well. They still suck imo. Buttons would be better. But lacking the ability to actually customize the various presets AT ALL truly sucks. What's the point at all in having those settings if they dont' allow me to customize them?

Gaming mode:
I felt a difference in mouse smoothness. Too bad it was so bathed in red I couldn't enjoy it.

Contrast ratio and...Glare...what?
My 2007 has always killed blacks. So does the 2410. A bit less so, but its obviously still an IPS. It's not an enjoyable experience or anything I'd want to watch a movie on. This was in custom, standard, and srgb modes. Of course I may be spoiled from looking at a Zune HD the other day. Honestly, I really have no desire to own anything else until OLED grows up.

Ok, so the IPS matrices have that funny little black sparkle wo/ a polarizer right? But my 2007 doesn't have one...I don't think it does anyway. And it doesn't shine anywhere near as bad as the 2410 when watching a movie. I can't begin to tell you how incredibly distracting that is while watching a movie. It's the only thing I can focus on. I have no idea how this can be the number 1 rated multimedia monitor w/ this issue and...

Wrap up:
I'm pretty sure that just about covers it. So in the end, I prefer my 3yr old 2007WFP that got removed from the OP's list to this new fangled 2410 that's now #1. I just wanted to throw this out there w/ as much detail as I could so that others w/ similar tastes or opinions as mine would know what they're getting into. I think if the monitor had a polarizer, wasn't so bright, had a standard gamut panel, a tighter pixel pitch, custom controls worth a damn so I could keep the gaming mode, and was around the same $, it would have been perfect for me. As it is, there's just too many issues.

I would like to hear from anyone else about the glasses + slight angle = red hologram shadow txt issue if you have it or thoughts on why, ie. H-IPS vs S-IPS due to the way pixels are aligned maybe?

 

[amenx]

Originally posted by: ExcaliburMM
Was looking for a 1900x1200 gaming solution, ~300$ at 24" or over and decided on the ASUS VW266H Black 25.5". I saw it listed in the gaming section here and figured its probably going to be a good buy. Any other suggestions meeting the criteria?

I got a Samsung T260HD, same res, same size (25.5"), so wouldnt be surprised if its the same panel. I hesitated to buy it since xtnight wasnt impressed with it referencing a somewhat unfavorable review of the T260 (not HD) in x-bit labs. But I've seen a deluge of positive reviews of the HD (mostly users experiences) and went for it. I thought highly of my LG-226WTQ, but this one blows it out of the water.

 

[LtPage1]

Hmm. So a little more research (the Hardforum thread, mostly) has soured my excitement over the U2410. If I'm paying $600, I want it to be really, really good, and I'm just hearing too many flaws. Lame.

 

[JaBro999]

Originally posted by: Jodiuh
... Also, through my glasses, at even the slightest angle, there's a reddish hologram shadow effect to txt or lines in general that give me incredible amounts of eye pain. I don't see this at all w/ my contacts, so it could just be the type of glasses I own. Either way, I can't sit in front of this monitor for more than 30 minutes at night before feeling fatigued. Keep in mind, I'm a heavy migraine sufferer. Also, that the 2007 does not cause me this issue.
...
I would like to hear from anyone else about the glasses + slight angle = red hologram shadow txt issue if you have it or thoughts on why, ie. H-IPS vs S-IPS due to the way pixels are aligned maybe?

Jodiuh,
Thank you for the detailed review.

I seem to recall some posters at Hard Forum speculating about a link between eye-strain with the HP LP2475w and wearing high index lenses. I can't find the specific posts I am recalling (Hard Forum search drives me crazy). The LP2475w has a similar panel as the U2410 (both are from LG).

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1326971

I think others have associated the same reports of eye strain with the LP2475w's overly bright red sub-pixels, which can give some text/fonts the appearance of a red outline on one side and cause text to appear fuzzy. Then again, many have reported that they have no problems at all.

As a high index lense wearer considering both the Dell U2410 and the HP LP2475, since they are in my price range, I'm a bit discouraged by these reports. I wish that getting an ideal 24" IPS panel was not such a coin toss (at least for under $1000). It is unfortunate that there is no way to view either of these monitors in person to make an informed decision before buying.

 

[Sportsshooter]

LCD2490WUXi2 vs. LCD2690WUXi2? (even LCD2490WUXi vs. LCD2690WUXi)

I just found this thread and based on the recommendations for RAW image editing for print, the LCD2690WUXi2 is the recommended option for my photo editing priorities. Better yet I suppose would have been a model with the filter but since I edit while sitting directly in front of the monitor this should not be a significant issue.

I currently use an NEC MultiSync LCD 2180UX and calibrate it with SpectraView II software and an eye-one Display Puck, which I understand is the same model that ships with SV model monitors. I've just upgraded my home built PC to Windows 7 Ultimate 64.

I am considering adding a second monitor for Photo Editing. I shoot RAW in Adobe 1998 and edit the RAW file first in Nikon Capture NX2 and then open as tiff in Adobe PS CS4 for final cropping and editing until I save the final file as a jpg before submitting to wire services.

While publications do pick up images from the wire services for Web, magazines that license the images for print are the priority.

I also do on site printing with an Epson 4880.

Thanks.

 

[JaBro999]

Originally posted by: Sportsshooter
LCD2490WUXi2 vs. LCD2690WUXi2? (even LCD2490WUXi vs. LCD2690WUXi)

Besides the screen size and pixel pitch, I believe the biggest difference between the LCD2490WUXi2 and LCD2690WUXi2 screens is that the LCD2690WUXi2 is wide gamut. You'll have to decide if that is an important difference considering your work.

Between the old wuxi and the new wuxi2 models, the new models do not have an A-TW polarizer. I think you can still find some of the older LCD2490WUXi still in stock if you look hard enough.

 

[Sportsshooter]

Originally posted by: JaBro999

Originally posted by: Sportsshooter
LCD2490WUXi2 vs. LCD2690WUXi2? (even LCD2490WUXi vs. LCD2690WUXi)

Besides the screen size and pixel pitch, I believe the biggest difference between the LCD2490WUXi2 and LCD2690WUXi2 screens is that the LCD2690WUXi2 is wide gamut. You'll have to decide if that is an important difference considering your work.

Between the old wuxi and the new wuxi2 models, the new models do not have an A-TW polarizer. I think you can still find some of the older LCD2490WUXi still in stock if you look hard enough.

Yes. I read the gamut differences in the thread recommendations and by filter meant the A-TW polarizer.

I was just looking for confirmation that the wide gamut monitor is a better option for my needs since I edit RAW Files in the Adobe 1998 color space and save a 300pi version for print before saving a 72pi version in sRGB for web. Print is my priority.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Jodiuh]

Originally posted by: JaBro999
I seem to recall some posters at Hard Forum speculating about a link between eye-strain with the HP LP2475w and wearing high index lenses.

I think others have associated the same reports of eye strain with the LP2475w's overly bright red sub-pixels, which can give some text/fonts the appearance of a red outline on one side and cause text to appear fuzzy.

That feels like what I got nailed w/. Reds have a definite overpowering sense to them on this panel and it becomes incredibly fatiguing to me when wearing my glasses. It's not as bad when watching movies or playing a game, but IMO, webbing or txting's about as tough as it gets for a monitor. And I simply cannot comfortably look at this monitor any length of time wo/ getting owned. My 2007WFP simply doesn't do this. I can look at the panel wo/ getting headaches and that's really all that matters.

The funniest part about all of this' is that I really have no issues w/ my 2007WFP. I freakin' love the thing. It's my favorite monitor to read off by far. Now it's definitely not the best for movie watching, but I don't watch movies on the pc anyway, that's just not comfortable. It might be nice to have better blacks for gaming, but I'm not going to move another monitor over just when I want to game. That's silly.

In the end, all I really want is more real estate and so the best thing for me IMO would be another Dell 2007 WFP.