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Interesting,my Asus VW246H is easy on the eyes too(max brightness is 300cd/m) and using normal setting the colours are good(for a TN panel) and not oversaturated ,also uses standard colour gamut too.
I sit about 15 to 20 inches away from my 24" Asus.
I will say every monitor I have used over the years always had the brightness near max setting at factory default out of the box so first thing I do is lower this.
I would recommend a colour calibration device for any LCD/CRT since these are not expensive(unless you want or need the very best) and do a good job and will be a good investment over the years for your monitor purchases etc...
So are there any new eIPS panels coming out?
I remember a 23" LG that people said was coming out soon but that was back in February. I'd really like a 23"-26" eIPS panel with 1920x1200.
I remember a 23" LG that people said was coming out soon but that was back in February. I'd really like a 23"-26" eIPS panel with 1920x1200.
I have taken a look at the relatively recent X-Bit Labs review of the LS221H and W2284F and decided that I wasn't recommending either right now.
LS221H: low response time but accompanied by RTC error, which pretty much ruins everything. I have recommended LCDs with RTC error before (many ViewSonics) and decided I wasn't going to do it again. It's not fun, folks, and I've had two monitors with pretty bad ghosting problems. Believe X-Bit Labs.
W2284F: not available in North American market which is a shame since this is the target of my recommendations. I don't know if that's going to have to change but for now I'd like my list to contain only North American-available monitors. Now that's not because I don't like other countries...I certainly enjoy the international folk that visit but I feel the US is the primary target of my thread. There are actually quite a few monitors available elsewhere that are decent and not available here, including Hazros. You are always free to ask in the thread personally but int'l -only LCDs won't be on the list.
I don't know if it's just me but there seems to be a drought of good LCDs lately so that's why activity has been low on updating the thread, except for the 2209WA which was a diamond in the rough.
I would consider recommending the Samsung 2233RZ although I really dislike its high price and the only redeeming feature it has is the 120 Hz (the 3D I don't care about so much), which in itself may be very difficult to utilize with all the games out there demanding very expensive video cards. I haven't seen any data on the LCD at all, either, besides the input lag data which I'm happy with (max 10 ms). It is yet another TN display with questionable benefits, really, for most people. It may be considered for the gaming section but probably nothing else. I didn't like that it was not available for sale standalone either, but I guess people will go to lengths for a true 120 Hz display.
I am on the fence about the LP2475w given all its uniformity problems, but regardless I want to leave it up at least so people know about it and if they are willing to take the risk.
Finding the "perfect" LCDs isn't easy but we can't start recommending everything out there just because it exists and it's "OK". There are certainly many LCDs that do meet my criteria and hopefully many to come. I am seeing a trend towards more PVA displays (note Samsung's recent 'cPVA' announcement) so I'm doing my best to lean away from the TN trend and I'm recommending as few TNs as I can.
Recommending monitors smaller than 22" has always been a crapshoot and I believe due to the dearth of reviews and market for these panels that the best route is to your local Best Buy, unless you can find the LP2065. As far as all the other 20" TNs go I'll never know if there's a difference between any of them because no one bothers to review them anymore.
Non-TN 22" panels are starting to appear, which is great. This will hopefully be followed by an influx of non-TN panels in the bigger sizes as well, which themselves are already being permeated by the cheap panel type.
I don't know whatever happened to the LG W3000H (S-IPS), but I can't find it available anywhere. AFAIK LG's entire lineup is TN right now and I wouldn't expect any more non-TN displays from LG Electronics USA. But at least LG Display seems to be manufacturing eIPS. I am pretty sure there was a 30" TN out there somewhere, too...
There are no stringent guidelines or standards to which I adhere when I put something on the list. I'll admit it goes off of intuition and maybe even what I feel like putting up there. It also goes off trust of the manufacturer. For instance, I am not too keen about recommending ViewSonic because of the poor menu system, DVI problems, and the fact that almost all of their monitors have RTC problems. I am quicker to recommend Dells because they have shown a decent track record of non-TN panels and great interface capabilities. BenQ is the same way; I love them. Samsung has been better lately and LG has put out some good TN panels. ASUS is decent but I haven't quite built the trust or respect for them yet and often lack good data on many of their LCDs. Acer is hit or miss but mostly targets the cheaper market, so, well, you know how that goes. HP is quite good as well except for the uniformity blunder with the LP2475w, which I really hope they're getting solved. Obviously some people don't have the problem. Gateway has been decent for the consumer market but isn't known for stellar image quality. I'm pretty quick to recommend any of NEC's pro line but give their consumer line the same "difficult eye" that I give other LCDs. Planar has quite consistently demonstrated good quality and DoubleSight isn't too bad (though I don't like the latter's warranty and service as much as Planar).
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( Don't you love Samsung's new marketing campaign about "LED TVs"...well I'll save that for another rant...
)
Edit: I have noticed X-Bit did a review of the 2233rz so I'm giving that a good look.
LS221H: low response time but accompanied by RTC error, which pretty much ruins everything. I have recommended LCDs with RTC error before (many ViewSonics) and decided I wasn't going to do it again. It's not fun, folks, and I've had two monitors with pretty bad ghosting problems. Believe X-Bit Labs.
W2284F: not available in North American market which is a shame since this is the target of my recommendations. I don't know if that's going to have to change but for now I'd like my list to contain only North American-available monitors. Now that's not because I don't like other countries...I certainly enjoy the international folk that visit but I feel the US is the primary target of my thread. There are actually quite a few monitors available elsewhere that are decent and not available here, including Hazros. You are always free to ask in the thread personally but int'l -only LCDs won't be on the list.
I don't know if it's just me but there seems to be a drought of good LCDs lately so that's why activity has been low on updating the thread, except for the 2209WA which was a diamond in the rough.
I would consider recommending the Samsung 2233RZ although I really dislike its high price and the only redeeming feature it has is the 120 Hz (the 3D I don't care about so much), which in itself may be very difficult to utilize with all the games out there demanding very expensive video cards. I haven't seen any data on the LCD at all, either, besides the input lag data which I'm happy with (max 10 ms). It is yet another TN display with questionable benefits, really, for most people. It may be considered for the gaming section but probably nothing else. I didn't like that it was not available for sale standalone either, but I guess people will go to lengths for a true 120 Hz display.
I am on the fence about the LP2475w given all its uniformity problems, but regardless I want to leave it up at least so people know about it and if they are willing to take the risk.
Finding the "perfect" LCDs isn't easy but we can't start recommending everything out there just because it exists and it's "OK". There are certainly many LCDs that do meet my criteria and hopefully many to come. I am seeing a trend towards more PVA displays (note Samsung's recent 'cPVA' announcement) so I'm doing my best to lean away from the TN trend and I'm recommending as few TNs as I can.
Recommending monitors smaller than 22" has always been a crapshoot and I believe due to the dearth of reviews and market for these panels that the best route is to your local Best Buy, unless you can find the LP2065. As far as all the other 20" TNs go I'll never know if there's a difference between any of them because no one bothers to review them anymore.
Non-TN 22" panels are starting to appear, which is great. This will hopefully be followed by an influx of non-TN panels in the bigger sizes as well, which themselves are already being permeated by the cheap panel type.
I don't know whatever happened to the LG W3000H (S-IPS), but I can't find it available anywhere. AFAIK LG's entire lineup is TN right now and I wouldn't expect any more non-TN displays from LG Electronics USA. But at least LG Display seems to be manufacturing eIPS. I am pretty sure there was a 30" TN out there somewhere, too...
There are no stringent guidelines or standards to which I adhere when I put something on the list. I'll admit it goes off of intuition and maybe even what I feel like putting up there. It also goes off trust of the manufacturer. For instance, I am not too keen about recommending ViewSonic because of the poor menu system, DVI problems, and the fact that almost all of their monitors have RTC problems. I am quicker to recommend Dells because they have shown a decent track record of non-TN panels and great interface capabilities. BenQ is the same way; I love them. Samsung has been better lately and LG has put out some good TN panels. ASUS is decent but I haven't quite built the trust or respect for them yet and often lack good data on many of their LCDs. Acer is hit or miss but mostly targets the cheaper market, so, well, you know how that goes. HP is quite good as well except for the uniformity blunder with the LP2475w, which I really hope they're getting solved. Obviously some people don't have the problem. Gateway has been decent for the consumer market but isn't known for stellar image quality. I'm pretty quick to recommend any of NEC's pro line but give their consumer line the same "difficult eye" that I give other LCDs. Planar has quite consistently demonstrated good quality and DoubleSight isn't too bad (though I don't like the latter's warranty and service as much as Planar).
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( Don't you love Samsung's new marketing campaign about "LED TVs"...well I'll save that for another rant...
)Edit: I have noticed X-Bit did a review of the 2233rz so I'm giving that a good look.
I just got myself a 2233rz.
Have bin using it for 5 days now.
I really love it and it's excellent for gaming.
But I got a problem.
When I run the screen at 1680x150 @60-110 hz everything is fine.
But when I turn it up to 120hz I get "lines" on the screen.
You hardly see the "lines" at first but in some colors it's very easy to see.
They appear everywhere but it's most easy to see on the edges of screen.
I took some pictures of the "lines" with my camera.
http://www.sf4.se/bilder/2233rz/hzbilden2.png
Note: We are not looking at moiré, its the monitor.
You need to look at the picture in full scale (100%).
I only used the monitor with my Radeon 4870.
(Yes I'm using a DVI-DL cable)
So I don't know if this is coming from my gfx-card or from the monitor.
My old monitor could only run 1600x1200@60hz.
But I never seen anything like this before.
I just like to know if there might be a problem with my new monitor or can it be something else?
Have bin using it for 5 days now.
I really love it and it's excellent for gaming.
But I got a problem.
When I run the screen at 1680x150 @60-110 hz everything is fine.
But when I turn it up to 120hz I get "lines" on the screen.
You hardly see the "lines" at first but in some colors it's very easy to see.
They appear everywhere but it's most easy to see on the edges of screen.
I took some pictures of the "lines" with my camera.
http://www.sf4.se/bilder/2233rz/hzbilden2.png
Note: We are not looking at moiré, its the monitor.
You need to look at the picture in full scale (100%).
I only used the monitor with my Radeon 4870.
(Yes I'm using a DVI-DL cable)
So I don't know if this is coming from my gfx-card or from the monitor.
My old monitor could only run 1600x1200@60hz.
But I never seen anything like this before.
I just like to know if there might be a problem with my new monitor or can it be something else?
Look at the pipe of the weapon and you will see it. You need to view the picture in correct scale to see it.
Just a quick note that this is a longggggg thread. And even with my supersonic charter cable connection, going to the last page of 141 pages (!) sometimes takes a bit of time (for me anyway). Maybe it's time to start a continuation thread with a cut 'n paste of the top and bottom.
The right one looks worse than the left of the two 120Hz examples. I can't come up with any logical reason so I just would recommend seeing if any reviews mention this issue.
It's not that easy to take picture of the monitor to show it.
I can clearly see it on the picture.
I also made this picture:
http://www.sf4.se/bilder/2233rz/60-120hz.png
Hello xtKnight,
I am looking to buy somthing in the 24" to 30" range at 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 with great perfomance in all areas. I would like it to have both good color reproduction and good response time. Any ideas? TN is fine, but I understand that other panels perform better in most other areas. So I supposed I would prefer to sacrifice a few ms pixel response time for better colors etc. Thanks for your help.
I am looking to buy somthing in the 24" to 30" range at 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 with great perfomance in all areas. I would like it to have both good color reproduction and good response time. Any ideas? TN is fine, but I understand that other panels perform better in most other areas. So I supposed I would prefer to sacrifice a few ms pixel response time for better colors etc. Thanks for your help.
Okay experts I need some advice.
I'm buying a monitor for Gaming/blu ray movie watching. I need it to be 1080p and 22'. A 16x10 resolution would be nice because I don't want to run into any FPS problems with a 19x12 resolution. But I am flexible on that.
Is this even a smart thing to do? I really have no idea.
How about this?
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...p?ProductCode=10009786
The only thing that turns me off is the resolution.
I'm buying a monitor for Gaming/blu ray movie watching. I need it to be 1080p and 22'. A 16x10 resolution would be nice because I don't want to run into any FPS problems with a 19x12 resolution. But I am flexible on that.
Is this even a smart thing to do? I really have no idea.
How about this?
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...p?ProductCode=10009786
The only thing that turns me off is the resolution.
I can not begin to describe how frustrated I feel in my search for a new LCD monitor as there are just too many manufacturers and models to choose from in addition to dealing with the myriad of confusing specifications. I'm currently using a 19" Viewsonic GS790 CRT monitor but it's beginning to go south.
What I will be using it for is mainly web surfing and watching movies with no gaming. I would appreciate it if someone would steer me toward the top 3 manufacturers and models that I should be considering.
Thanks!
What I will be using it for is mainly web surfing and watching movies with no gaming. I would appreciate it if someone would steer me toward the top 3 manufacturers and models that I should be considering.
Thanks!
You know.....I said that in my original post.
BTW, the earliest posts deal with two year old monitors....they are not even sold anymore. Whatever, it was just a suggestion.
I thought you were saying you were getting to the last page by using the page by page button. I don't notice the "go to last page" being that slow at all.
kalrith
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- Aug 22, 2005
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I made a post a couple weeks ago about choosing between a 32" 1080P TV and the DoubleSight DS-265W. Since then, I've decided to nix both ideas. I'd miss the 1200 vertical lines of resolution with the TV, especially since I play a lot of Warcraft 3 at 1600x1200, and DoubleSight's poor quality control coupled with Newegg's 8-dead-pixel policy made me shy away from that.
So, now I'm dead set on getting a 24" or larger non-TN monitor with 1920x1200 resolution. There's plenty of info on the web and in this thread about good choices in that area. What I mainly want to know is if anyone knows of any new models that might be released this year that would be worth waiting for.
So, now I'm dead set on getting a 24" or larger non-TN monitor with 1920x1200 resolution. There's plenty of info on the web and in this thread about good choices in that area. What I mainly want to know is if anyone knows of any new models that might be released this year that would be worth waiting for.
kalrith
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Dell Home and SB have the 2408WFP for $419.70 + tax with free shipping, and Dell SB has the 2709W for $594.30. I'm pretty sure the deal is just for today. I haven't been able to find any coupons that will stack with this. I'm really tempted by the price of the 2408WFP, but I'm still wondering if I should wait to see if something new will be released (like a 24" e-IPS).
Edit: If you order through the Dell EPP site and pay with DPA, then the 2408 is only $374! Note that you have to act like you're paying with a credit card before Dell will offer you the 4% DPA discount. Here's hoping that using my alma mater's EPP program works! $396 AFTER tax and shipping was just too good to pass up.
Edit: If you order through the Dell EPP site and pay with DPA, then the 2408 is only $374! Note that you have to act like you're paying with a credit card before Dell will offer you the 4% DPA discount. Here's hoping that using my alma mater's EPP program works! $396 AFTER tax and shipping was just too good to pass up.
Schadenfroh
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I just bought an HP LP2475w (H-IPS) to replace my ancient Dell 2001FP (PVA) and all I can say is WOW!
Night and day difference and I am not even able to calibrate it (no equipment to do so).
Night and day difference and I am not even able to calibrate it (no equipment to do so).
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