Okay
I only got one final question. Just to be sure about the scaling, have you - or anyone else - tried the nvidia driver's aspect ratio controls with this monitor? For example running 1280*1024 with black bars in top, bottom and sides.
Okay
I only got one final question. Just to be sure about the scaling, have you - or anyone else - tried the nvidia driver's aspect ratio controls with this monitor? For example running 1280*1024 with black bars in top, bottom and sides.
Thank a lot, especially xtnight!
Yes I'm using the Accusync LCD22WMGX as I type. I can't say I like it that much although it?s better than I thought it would be. The colours appear almost washed out, and not nearly as vivid as on the 20WGX². The biggest problem I have to say though is the viewing angles; with the slightest change the overall quality of the screen is severely diminished, particularly in vertical terms. It?s not so much that TN's 'aren't' visible at various angles, but more so that they don't perform well at any thing other than dead on. As far as response time goes, there doesn't seem to be any problem, but it doesn't seem any better than the 20WGX².
The LCD22WMGX does have great connectivity though, HDCP, HDMI, and component. All sadly lacking on my old 20WGX². Nonetheless at this point I'm pretty convinced that I'll get back the 20WGX² from Germany. Except for this http://www.digitalversus.com/d...2&mo2=261&p2=2486&ph=1
I'm a little concerned as to the apparent difference between the 20WGX² and 20WGX²Pro. The latter seems not as good, or are they just the same in real life?
Interesting you mention the 'stain' on yours too, mine just would not go away, and NEC did say that this was a permanent fault.
I would be tempted by another more modern screen from NEC, especially if it?s of higher resolution but equal quality and speed. You mentioned the LCD2490WUXi which does look great, but I'm not sure if they sell it in the UK (see here:http://www.nec-display-solutio...oducts/LCD/index.html)
However just to confirm is there no other NEC LCD of 20" or larger worth getting that is better than the 20WGX²Pro; other than the LCD2490WUXi? If there?s anything else that could be suggested I would appreciate it. I'm intending to 'try' and sort of 'exchange' the 20WGX² for something better if its worthwhile.
Thanks again!
Yes I'm using the Accusync LCD22WMGX as I type. I can't say I like it that much although it?s better than I thought it would be. The colours appear almost washed out, and not nearly as vivid as on the 20WGX². The biggest problem I have to say though is the viewing angles; with the slightest change the overall quality of the screen is severely diminished, particularly in vertical terms. It?s not so much that TN's 'aren't' visible at various angles, but more so that they don't perform well at any thing other than dead on. As far as response time goes, there doesn't seem to be any problem, but it doesn't seem any better than the 20WGX².
The LCD22WMGX does have great connectivity though, HDCP, HDMI, and component. All sadly lacking on my old 20WGX². Nonetheless at this point I'm pretty convinced that I'll get back the 20WGX² from Germany. Except for this http://www.digitalversus.com/d...2&mo2=261&p2=2486&ph=1
I'm a little concerned as to the apparent difference between the 20WGX² and 20WGX²Pro. The latter seems not as good, or are they just the same in real life?
Interesting you mention the 'stain' on yours too, mine just would not go away, and NEC did say that this was a permanent fault.
I would be tempted by another more modern screen from NEC, especially if it?s of higher resolution but equal quality and speed. You mentioned the LCD2490WUXi which does look great, but I'm not sure if they sell it in the UK (see here:http://www.nec-display-solutio...oducts/LCD/index.html)
However just to confirm is there no other NEC LCD of 20" or larger worth getting that is better than the 20WGX²Pro; other than the LCD2490WUXi? If there?s anything else that could be suggested I would appreciate it. I'm intending to 'try' and sort of 'exchange' the 20WGX² for something better if its worthwhile.
Thanks again!
Hi xtknight
I'm about to replace my 6 yr old 20" Apple Cinema Display. I use it professionally for both print and screen colour work and have been very happy with it. I also use a Spyder Pro 2 hardware calibrator.
I'm in the market for a quality 30" display and on the verge of buying the Apple 30". Needless to say, I'm concerned about spending a wad of cash on a model long overdue to be updated.
Have you run across a more economical model out there that matches the image and build quality? I could settle for a 26" or 27" if there was a significant saving, but I definitely don't want to give up reliable colour accuracy.
Thanks for an informative thread.
360
I'm about to replace my 6 yr old 20" Apple Cinema Display. I use it professionally for both print and screen colour work and have been very happy with it. I also use a Spyder Pro 2 hardware calibrator.
I'm in the market for a quality 30" display and on the verge of buying the Apple 30". Needless to say, I'm concerned about spending a wad of cash on a model long overdue to be updated.
Have you run across a more economical model out there that matches the image and build quality? I could settle for a 26" or 27" if there was a significant saving, but I definitely don't want to give up reliable colour accuracy.
Thanks for an informative thread.
360
I am still researching 20" LCD's, it is so hard to pick one
the three I have been looking at (not TN) are
HP LP2065
DELL 2007fp
NEC LCD2070NX-BK-2
I don't know what panels these have, VA or IPS, what there average lag is (input lag + response) if they have overdrive or if they are glossy or not? My price limit is $500, and I for sure don't want a glossy LCD.
I would love to hear from anyone who has/had these, or has seen them.
the three I have been looking at (not TN) are
HP LP2065
DELL 2007fp
NEC LCD2070NX-BK-2
I don't know what panels these have, VA or IPS, what there average lag is (input lag + response) if they have overdrive or if they are glossy or not? My price limit is $500, and I for sure don't want a glossy LCD.
I would love to hear from anyone who has/had these, or has seen them.
I'm currently running two Dell 24" panels (2405FPW) and am pretty happy with them. I mostly use this machine for online poker, which is not terribly demanding for picture quality, though of course I don't want something that sucks. I'd like to add a 30" center panel, and rotate the 24" panels to portrait and put them on either side.
1) I really dislike fan noise - I custom built my desktop to be entirely passively cooled except for two large quiet case fans. A 30" monitor isn't going to have any fans, is it? I wouldn't imagine so - I'd expect the panel to generate a lot of heat, but so do my 24" monitors and my 42" TV, and none of them need fans - but I just want to check. (Update: Just looked through reviews of the Samsung 305T, and one reviewer complains about fan noise...)
2) I see that Newegg just got the DoubleSight DS-305W in stock for $1086 shipped, over $300 cheaper than the Dell 3007WFP-HC I'd been occasionally glancing at. DoubleSight seems to have a good rep... is there any reason not to just go with it? Or is it sufficiently common for new models to have unanticipated problems that I'd be taking a big risk by being one of the first to buy, and should let other people be the guinea pigs? There's also the Samsung 305T, available from zipzoomfly for $1212 shipped...
3) How should I drive all these suckers? Right now I have an Asus A8N-SLI Premium motherboard with two Asus EN6600 Silencers in the PCIx16 slots driving the two 24" panels. I assume I'll have to evict one of the EN6600s to put in a card that can drive the 30" panel. (Recommendations welcome - it has to be fanless, but I don't care much about gaming performance.) Then how do I drive the 24" panels? Can I buy a single PCIx16 card that will drive both 1920x1200 displays, or am I going to have to dig up a plain-old-PCI card to drive one of them?
Any input would be much appreciated, it's been a few years since I've been up to date on this stuff. Thanks.
1) I really dislike fan noise - I custom built my desktop to be entirely passively cooled except for two large quiet case fans. A 30" monitor isn't going to have any fans, is it? I wouldn't imagine so - I'd expect the panel to generate a lot of heat, but so do my 24" monitors and my 42" TV, and none of them need fans - but I just want to check. (Update: Just looked through reviews of the Samsung 305T, and one reviewer complains about fan noise...)
2) I see that Newegg just got the DoubleSight DS-305W in stock for $1086 shipped, over $300 cheaper than the Dell 3007WFP-HC I'd been occasionally glancing at. DoubleSight seems to have a good rep... is there any reason not to just go with it? Or is it sufficiently common for new models to have unanticipated problems that I'd be taking a big risk by being one of the first to buy, and should let other people be the guinea pigs? There's also the Samsung 305T, available from zipzoomfly for $1212 shipped...
3) How should I drive all these suckers? Right now I have an Asus A8N-SLI Premium motherboard with two Asus EN6600 Silencers in the PCIx16 slots driving the two 24" panels. I assume I'll have to evict one of the EN6600s to put in a card that can drive the 30" panel. (Recommendations welcome - it has to be fanless, but I don't care much about gaming performance.) Then how do I drive the 24" panels? Can I buy a single PCIx16 card that will drive both 1920x1200 displays, or am I going to have to dig up a plain-old-PCI card to drive one of them?
Any input would be much appreciated, it's been a few years since I've been up to date on this stuff. Thanks.
Hello, I apologize in advance if I have posted this is the wrong place. My monitor has been going bad for a while now. (picture) and I was wondering what might have caused it because it's not even two years old. It's a Westinghouse 19" LCSLCM-19w4. I upgraded from XP Home to Vista Home Premium about a year ago. One night I was using a video editor and I got an error that said something like "Your display driver has stopped working unexpectedly and has recovered". Now every time I do anything that puts the tiniest bit of stress on my video card I get that same error. I know it's not just my video card making the lines or anything like that because I hooked it up to the vga port on my notebook and I get the same thing. Could that have somehow caused my LCD to go bad?
Originally posted by: HMF
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: HMF
Hi!
I have been reading this thread for some time now, and am on the verge of purchasing an LCD, my first! I am still using an ancient Samsung SyncMaster 955DF and wouldn't mind a little more desk space.
The monitor that I have been looking at is the BenQ G2400WD, which is suggested as a gaming monitor in the OP.
I am just trying to make sure that this is the right monitor for me.
I will be using it primarily for Games, multimedia (movies, tv shows, etc) and web browsing/IM'ing and whatnot, in that order.
Is this still the best choice for a 24" monitor for what I want to use it for?
For example, I have also been looking at the V2400W from BenQ as well, and I did not see it mentioned at all.
Also, I am wondering if there might be any offerings from NEC that might be worth looking at, as I have always been quite fond of NEC products, and have always wanted to own one myself.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
I think it's a good choice for you, unless you are willing to pay over $500. In that case then I would suggest the HP LP2465 or Dell 2408WFP. For your purposes, I think the G2400WD is just dandy, and it's a fast panel for gaming. Therefore, even considering the ability to pay $500+ the BenQ may even be the best choice still. The advantage you'd be reaping from going more expensive is wider viewing angles, but you would also be sacrificing response time and input lag, so...
NEC's lower end models aren't anything to brag about, honestly. I wouldn't worry about that. The BenQ is a great LCD.
So... I had looked at the Dell 2408WFP some time ago. Money not being an issue... would you recommend that monitor over the BenQ G2400WD? Would the input lag and response time be that noticeable in comparison to the BenQ?
You can give the Dell 2408WFP a try. If I were you, I would, because of the extra viewing angles. If you are a hardcore or competitive gamer the G2400WD is still the best choice. The 2408WFP won't turn your games into soup or anything, it's just not quite as responsive as CRT.
Originally posted by: T0bias
Okay
I only got one final question. Just to be sure about the scaling, have you - or anyone else - tried the nvidia driver's aspect ratio controls with this monitor? For example running 1280*1024 with black bars in top, bottom and sides.
I haven't had a chance to try scaling with any of those LCDs (and have never had access to any of them).
Of interesting note is that the 20WMGX2 in the US does provide HDCP and component/S-Video/composite/audio support. I'm not sure why they decided to rip these features from the European model.
If you linked to the ghosting/streaking images, there is absolutely no difference there that I can see. In fact, these pictures could serve as a "control" because these LCDs use the same panels (or something very close to it).
Yeah that's right, they don't sell it in the UK. But they do have the 26", which might be worthwhile for you. I don't know. It's hard to say. I would never get rid of my 20WGX2, so it may be wise just to get the 20WGX2 Pro now and then save up for another better display later on. DoubleSight's or Hazro's new 26"s are something you want to look at, but the LCD2690 has a lack of connections and flexibility I don't like, for that price. The image quality is amazing though. It's not that much better than the 20WGX2 to be honest, and not quite as good at displaying blacks due to the coating.
The stain seems to be caused by a heat coating inside the panel. I think they fixed it in later revs. See what they'd ask for the LCD2690, I guess. If it's a real steal then go for it, otherwise hold off for a 26" IPS with more connectivity. At least if the connectivity matters to you. I hope I made your decision easier but maybe I did not. Don't assume these decisions are easy for me, either.
If you don't ever plan on saving for a newer display in the future then it would be a wise investment to get the 26" NEC now.The Dell 3007WFP-HC or HP LP3065 are nice panels that will save you a lot of money and perform roughly the same. I think I have heard the Dell having less QC issues than the HP but I can't confirm that.
The 3008WFP is also a money waster besides the extra connections you get.
If you get the 3007WFP-HC from Dell you can exchange for refurbs as well in case of problems.
http://accessories.us.dell.com...S&cid=27722&lid=628335
I hear their "small business" support is better than the "home", so there you go.
A choice for about half the price and the same performance (will be) the 26"(25.5") DoubleSight DS-265W. It's not out right now, but it is only expected to improve upon their previous DS-263N model. It is due out any day(week?) now.
These are wide gamut displays, so make sure you not only calibrate them, but use color profiles, especially for sRGB work. Calibrating to an sRGB gamma curve will not give you an sRGB color space! The included sRGB presets are generally poor, too. Use color profiles with the Native preset instead.
Color profiles perform a 3D gamut transformation, while the 2D transformation LUTs in LCDs today cannot. None of the Eizos or NECs have built-in 3D gamut transformation in the monitor because it is too resource-intensive right now. With 2D transformation you get considerably less color fidelity.
Here's the DoubleSight DS-305W. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824185012&Tpk=DS-305W
Thanks to alanj for spotting it. And wait for reviews on this one.
Hello, I need some help picking out a new monitor and since I have never bought a LCD Im at a loss. I have been reading your posts but Im still not sure what I need.
I will try to describe all the info I can so that you can help me properly and hopefully by bad english and random thoughts will not hurt your eyes to much.
Currently I have a 19' NEC MultiSync FE950 CRT it is showing signs of dieing so I have been frantically trying to figure out what to buy that will last me a long time like this one has.
My computer specs are as follows: (I wasn't sure if this was needed)
Current Resolution of monitor: 1280 x 800 16 Bit 85 Hrtz
Intel Core Duo 6300 1.86 Ghz
NVIDIA GeoForce 8800 GTS
2 Gig of Ram
I hope thats enuff to go by as I dont know how to find the rest of my info.
I have a unique situation as far as using the computer and viewing my monitor, I am disabled and have to sit in a recliner to use the computer so I am about 6 foot from the monitor and if you go from my eyes in a direct line to the monitor I am about 1-2 inches below center. (wasn't sure if this was needed but I have read about viewing angles)
How I use my monitor right now is
World of Warcraft
City of Heroes
Trying to read websites
Watching small clips of movies (YouTube, gametrailers Ect)
Once in a great while I will watch a movie but not very often.
**I DONT play shooter games** (I wasn't sure If my current games needed fast responce compared to shooters)
I was interested in a 24" LCD but wasnt sure if this would effect my reading websites or if my video card could handle it. ( I thought I read somewhere when monitor size gets to big you have to run 2 video cards to suport it)
As far as money goes I would like to stay under a $1000.00 but, if you thought it was worthwhile to spend more I would save up for it.
Anyway I was just wondering compared to my current monitor should I be looking for a gaming LCD or Multimedia one and what you would recommend,
If you think a smaller or bigger size is needed Im not hung up on 24' just seemed like a nice size.
One last thing I have purchased before at Newegg.com and had good luck If you could find one on there or reccomend a good website to buy it from that you trust that would help me alot as well. (The stores around me have a very poor selections and almost notyhing on your lists so I will be buying this sight unseen)
Thx again for any help you can give me and again I hope my bad grammer/random thought didn't discourage you from helping.
I will try to describe all the info I can so that you can help me properly and hopefully by bad english and random thoughts will not hurt your eyes to much.
Currently I have a 19' NEC MultiSync FE950 CRT it is showing signs of dieing so I have been frantically trying to figure out what to buy that will last me a long time like this one has.
My computer specs are as follows: (I wasn't sure if this was needed)
Current Resolution of monitor: 1280 x 800 16 Bit 85 Hrtz
Intel Core Duo 6300 1.86 Ghz
NVIDIA GeoForce 8800 GTS
2 Gig of Ram
I hope thats enuff to go by as I dont know how to find the rest of my info.
I have a unique situation as far as using the computer and viewing my monitor, I am disabled and have to sit in a recliner to use the computer so I am about 6 foot from the monitor and if you go from my eyes in a direct line to the monitor I am about 1-2 inches below center. (wasn't sure if this was needed but I have read about viewing angles)
How I use my monitor right now is
World of Warcraft
City of Heroes
Trying to read websites
Watching small clips of movies (YouTube, gametrailers Ect)
Once in a great while I will watch a movie but not very often.
**I DONT play shooter games** (I wasn't sure If my current games needed fast responce compared to shooters)
I was interested in a 24" LCD but wasnt sure if this would effect my reading websites or if my video card could handle it. ( I thought I read somewhere when monitor size gets to big you have to run 2 video cards to suport it)
As far as money goes I would like to stay under a $1000.00 but, if you thought it was worthwhile to spend more I would save up for it.
Anyway I was just wondering compared to my current monitor should I be looking for a gaming LCD or Multimedia one and what you would recommend,
If you think a smaller or bigger size is needed Im not hung up on 24' just seemed like a nice size.
One last thing I have purchased before at Newegg.com and had good luck If you could find one on there or reccomend a good website to buy it from that you trust that would help me alot as well. (The stores around me have a very poor selections and almost notyhing on your lists so I will be buying this sight unseen)
Thx again for any help you can give me and again I hope my bad grammer/random thought didn't discourage you from helping.
Thanks in advance to xtknight for the extensive, hard work involved in putting together this thread.
I've got a question, or request for recommendation between two finalists in a bang-for-buck LCD purchase.
I do extensive imagining work using a Wacom tablet, which I assume will be influenced by input lag. I don't know what to expect because I've always used Sony CRTs (G520 atm). Despite my imaging work, I don't usually go to print. So, absolute color proofing isn't that critical and I would sacrifice some color quality to obtain lag free stylus input.
I was on the verge of buying Dell's 2408WFP now that they're shipping rev A01 as it addresses some of the reported issues, primarily input lag and sharpness controls. Some reviews say it calibrates very well. Yours was less enthusiastic about that. It's currently available for $750 and an X-rite Eye One Display 2 adds $200 for a total of $950.
Then someone on the Dell Monitors forum linked to this thread and the NEC LCD2690WUXi and my certainty was undermined.
Comparatively, the Dell is a 24" and the NEC 26." So, some price disparity is appropriate. (The NEC 24" is nearly the same price as the 26" oddly enough.) Furthermore, your review and the recommendation chart above rate the NEC best for multimedia and print critical. So, it seems the NEC is the obvious choice excepting the QA concerns your review raised. Moreover, the SV version comes with their SpectraView for only $150 more.
I've found the NEC LCD2690WUXi-SV for $1,169, which seems a no brainer but for these remaining considerations:
1) Will the bundled SpectraView still require purchase of iOne Display 2 colorimeter?
2) How serious are the NEC QA concerns and what should I watch out for?
I'm not a wealthy guy. I do want to get the best I can, but I'm at the outer reaches of my budget already and the $180 iOne added to the $1169 is pushing the limit. Suggestions or recommendations would be most appreciated.
Thanks.
I've got a question, or request for recommendation between two finalists in a bang-for-buck LCD purchase.
I do extensive imagining work using a Wacom tablet, which I assume will be influenced by input lag. I don't know what to expect because I've always used Sony CRTs (G520 atm). Despite my imaging work, I don't usually go to print. So, absolute color proofing isn't that critical and I would sacrifice some color quality to obtain lag free stylus input.
I was on the verge of buying Dell's 2408WFP now that they're shipping rev A01 as it addresses some of the reported issues, primarily input lag and sharpness controls. Some reviews say it calibrates very well. Yours was less enthusiastic about that. It's currently available for $750 and an X-rite Eye One Display 2 adds $200 for a total of $950.
Then someone on the Dell Monitors forum linked to this thread and the NEC LCD2690WUXi and my certainty was undermined.
Comparatively, the Dell is a 24" and the NEC 26." So, some price disparity is appropriate. (The NEC 24" is nearly the same price as the 26" oddly enough.) Furthermore, your review and the recommendation chart above rate the NEC best for multimedia and print critical. So, it seems the NEC is the obvious choice excepting the QA concerns your review raised. Moreover, the SV version comes with their SpectraView for only $150 more.
I've found the NEC LCD2690WUXi-SV for $1,169, which seems a no brainer but for these remaining considerations:
1) Will the bundled SpectraView still require purchase of iOne Display 2 colorimeter?
2) How serious are the NEC QA concerns and what should I watch out for?
I'm not a wealthy guy. I do want to get the best I can, but I'm at the outer reaches of my budget already and the $180 iOne added to the $1169 is pushing the limit. Suggestions or recommendations would be most appreciated.
Thanks.
Hi dowhop
I'm a long time Wacom user and, in general, I find the bottleneck in response time for the tablet is the software one uses with it rather than the monitor or even the CPU or USB throughput. I've used both Apple and Samsung monitors with no noticeable difference in Wacom performance.
Photoshop, for example, is still not up to date in its core graphics performance. So, when you draw a rapid, large curve with a large soft brush, Photoshop will often abbreviate it to a polygon.
Other applications with more efficient core graphics don't have this problem, especially those written native for OS X's core graphics system. If you're on a PC, there might be platform specific issues, but I doubt they would depend on the monitor.
Hope this helps in at least part of your question
360
Thanks xtknight
Though I notice on Dell's site that the $2000 Dell 3008 WFP tech specs state:
"117%1 of NTSC color gamut ... accurate color representation better tones and hues, and can support up to Adobe 98 color standard."
Whereas the $1399 Dell 3007WFP-HC does not cite any specs re colour gamut.
The two panels have significantly different contrast ratios and brightness values, so I can only assume they have different gamuts too.
Supporting close to or all of the Adobe 98 colour gamut is important for us.
Re profiles, we do run profiles, which are easy to add to the system in OS X. However, when doing work for screen, we generally turn colour management off. The variability in settings on user's monitors is so great, that we just aim for a reasonable middle ground and check it out on a few sample systems.
When you talk about using profiles, are you talking about ICC profiles for sRGB written specifically for the monitor? Or are you talking about generating a custom sRGB profile for the monitor using the Spyder calibrator?
Cheers
360
Hey threesixty, thanks for the wacom info.
It sounds like we do similar work, wacom intensive and often (mostly for me) work for screen. I've already bitten on the iOne Display 2 although I suppose I could cancel. Still, having a colorimeter has been on my list for years.
I'm really writing here because we seem to work for screen display and I see you're looking to upgrade your LCD. Now the NEC I mention is at MacMall and $150 below everyone else whether you get the Spectreview color control or not ($1169 versus $1009).
I notice, however, that you're going for something closer to a Dell 2408WFP panel, or it seems so. On the Dell forums, where there've been complaints, but I've seen too graphics enterprises counter-posting positives about color fidelity after calibration and talking about purchasing multiple units more.
The new rev A01 addresses the lag and sharpening issues on the 2408WFP. So, it was a done deal for me until the NEC came to my attention, but it's approaching twice the price. Now I see you with a similar wacom workflow and screen output talking about something akin to the 2408WFP. Care to venture your reasoning/perspective?
Thanks,
DoWhop
It sounds like we do similar work, wacom intensive and often (mostly for me) work for screen. I've already bitten on the iOne Display 2 although I suppose I could cancel. Still, having a colorimeter has been on my list for years.
I'm really writing here because we seem to work for screen display and I see you're looking to upgrade your LCD. Now the NEC I mention is at MacMall and $150 below everyone else whether you get the Spectreview color control or not ($1169 versus $1009).
I notice, however, that you're going for something closer to a Dell 2408WFP panel, or it seems so. On the Dell forums, where there've been complaints, but I've seen too graphics enterprises counter-posting positives about color fidelity after calibration and talking about purchasing multiple units more.
The new rev A01 addresses the lag and sharpening issues on the 2408WFP. So, it was a done deal for me until the NEC came to my attention, but it's approaching twice the price. Now I see you with a similar wacom workflow and screen output talking about something akin to the 2408WFP. Care to venture your reasoning/perspective?
Thanks,
DoWhop
I wasn't getting anything from the FS forums, but does anyone have a 19" or larger widescreen monitor that supports HDCP that they'd be interested in selling? I'm using it for my PS3...the bigger, the better. And 1:1 pixel mapping/scaling would be fantastic.
If not, could someone point me in the right direction?
If not, could someone point me in the right direction?
Hi Dowhop
We actually do lots of both screen and print work.
For screen work, I just want to be in the ballpark of my general audience. When I see what some people view our web sites and video on, I just about have a heart attack, but that's the world of the general public. Hitting reasonably close to a typical sRGB appearance is about the best we can do and the rest is up to the end users. So we turn calibration off and check our output on various awful monitors.
It's for print that I have an interest in Adobe RGB gamut coverage and calibration, because we use it to accurately predict what a job will look like when it gets printed at a commercial print shop (or on our own printer). I also do digital paintings that I will print to watercolour paper on a new Epson 3880 (when it comes out). Since large prints cost between $5-$10 each to run, having good screen accuracy is a bit of a necessity.
Hence my interest in accurate monitors. I want a 30" for productivity, and I like the Apple monitors for gamut and accuracy. But the Apple monitor is expensive and I was hoping that there were cheaper large monitors with the same panel and Adobe RGB gamut to do print work with. The Apple monitor is also due to be updated this January:
http://www.electronista.com/ar...inema.display.at.mwsf/
So I'm even less eager to drop $1800 ($2100 in Canada, dammit!) on the current model.
xtknight had mentioned the Dell Ultrasharp as an alternative, but I noticed that the $1400 "3007WFP-HC" variant does not claim Adobe RGB gamut coverage. Only the $2000 3008WFP does. *sigh* NEC has a 25.5" model that offers good gamut coverage, but I'd prefer to go 30".
So I might drive from Toronto to Buffalo, spend $1800, and then resell next year if the new Apple models are a big improvement. In Apple's favour, I got my current 20" Cinema display two systems ago with my G4 PowerMac. I use it for everything from gaming to colour critical work and it's still working like a champ as I'm about to retire my G5 and move to a new MacPro.
(For those interested in how monitor calibration for print works: My hardware calibrator tells the system how the monitor's actual output differs from the perfect ICC colour standard. The system can then adjust so that what I'm seeing and what it thinks I'm seeing are pretty close to the same thing. I also have an ICC profile of our Epson printer installed which gives the same kind of info about the printer's output. So now the system can adjust colours and standardize how all the devices (the monitor, the printer, and me) see things. That way we're all talking apples to apples, so to speak. This lets me know by looking at the monitor what my print output will look like.
There's another step where I tell the system what the final output device for the job will be - such as a commercial printing press. The system then applies the ICC profile for the commercial press to allow my Epson printer to mimic the press output and predict what my job will look like when it prints at the print shop. Surprisingly, as digital print becomes cheaper, more and more print shops are appearing that do not have ICC profiles installed for their own printers! So we send them a target print and they seem to do ok.)
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I am looking for a monitor to plug into my Macbook through the mini-dvi which I will use primarily for hobby photo-editing. Therefore, the more accurate the better, however if a cheaper monitor is close to higher cost monitors, then I would lean cheaper.
It seems the monitor suggested for my cheap/photo requirements is the HP LP2065, however the price on that is now $395.99 [VA] for the EF227A4#ABA, and $503 [IPS] for EF227A8#ABA. Do these still present a good value. I am somewhat attracted to the 4:3 for editing both portrait and landscape, and the ability to rotate the screen to portrait mode (particularly for 16:10 ratio).
How does this compare to what seems to be other suggestions on the thread.
LG L227WTG 22" $339
Lenovo D221 $307
Lenovo 220x
22": Asus VW222U $260
BenQ G2400WD 24-Inch is interesting, although size is not critical, if it presents a good photo value - the extra two inches would be attractive.
Additionally, is there any reliable way to determine if a screen is TN, VA, IPS - I have been using viewing angles and assuming that the 176-78 range is going to be VA or IPS.
Thanks
These are all S-IPS panels, although the 2070NX is an older rev. The LP2065 and 2007FP are lotteries between AMVA and S-IPS, with the majority being S-IPS from what I can tell.
I believe all have very fuzzy matte (far from glossy) coatings, so make sure you don't mind that too much. It's not that bad but it'll take some getting used to. With that, I recommend the LP2065 as the most reliable out of all those.
I have seen the 2007FP S-IPS in person and I think it's a very nice LCD for desktop use. Haven't seen the LP2065 but it's essentially the same thing, cheaper, and comes with perhaps a higher chance of getting an S-IPS.
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Dell 2408WFP vs Samsung 245T
Alright, after a bunch of reading of various reviews and user feedback I have narrowed my choices to Dell 2408WFP or Samsung 245T. I believe the Dell uses the same Samsung panel as 245T, so the image quality between them will be pretty much the same. The Difference is in backlight, Dell's one is brighter. Now which one is a better choice for movies? I would prefer the one that shows better blacks and also better detail in dark scenes.
Alright, after a bunch of reading of various reviews and user feedback I have narrowed my choices to Dell 2408WFP or Samsung 245T. I believe the Dell uses the same Samsung panel as 245T, so the image quality between them will be pretty much the same. The Difference is in backlight, Dell's one is brighter. Now which one is a better choice for movies? I would prefer the one that shows better blacks and also better detail in dark scenes.
Does anyone know what type of Monitor this thing uses? It looks pretty good.
Sony VAIO LT Series HD PC/TV All-In-One LT29U http://www.hdtvlounge.net/sony/vaio-lt-hd/
All I can find is this - The Vaio LT features a 22-inch diagonal WSXGA+ widescreen display, with Sony?s XBRITE-HiColor LCD technology for excellent colors and image quality.
Sony VAIO LT Series HD PC/TV All-In-One LT29U http://www.hdtvlounge.net/sony/vaio-lt-hd/
All I can find is this - The Vaio LT features a 22-inch diagonal WSXGA+ widescreen display, with Sony?s XBRITE-HiColor LCD technology for excellent colors and image quality.
I wasn't aware any computer monitors had fans in them. He's probably talking about noise from dimming the backlight, or something? I won't swear it doesn't have one though. Those monitors definitely get hot, and LCD-based projectors have had fans in them for ages.
I don't know. That's something you have to decide. It's not a giant risk; in fact, I'm almost certain you'll be happy with the monitor unless there is something seriously wrong with it, which I doubt. If you're going to be easily disappointed by problems like backlight bleeding or poor response time control, then you can wait for others to test the waters.
You need a card with two dual-link DVI ports. A card that uses a PCI bus probably won't be the class you need to drive a 1920x1200 panel. Sometimes you can get lucky and drive 1920x1200 with single-link (or only at low 50Hz frequency) but I would always recommend a dual-link port. Look for a passively cooled HD2600 series, which support up to two dual-link ports (that does not mean all cards implement those interfaces).
With some research you should also be able to figure out if your current cards support dual-link DVI or not, on both ports. Actually in your case you only need one dual-link per board unless you actually want to use SLI.
Honestly I have no idea, but I doubt the video card caused the lines.
Send in the monitor through warranty.
You do not need two video cards, but you may need a card with dual-link DVI to run the 24". You already have one though, I am pretty sure. And an 8800 is not a weak card by any means. It looks like you are fine in that regard. (You can use two video cards for more performance with SLI or Crossfire, but I don't think it's needed in this case.)
I would say Multimedia and I think 24" is a good size for you.
I like Newegg as well (although their dead pixel policies are not that great, and you can't return or get a refund). Amazon has slightly better policies, but I still buy from Newegg all the time because I love them and haven't had a serious issue.
Not sure if it's worth it to you over a cheaper screen, but you can get a state-of-the-art 24" for right around your budget. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824002168 (Maybe cheaper elsewhere.) That screen has great viewing angles and you wouldn't have to worry about anything.
The Dell 2408WFP is probably the next best choice. It will be wide gamut and have more drasticly vibrant colors. http://www.dell.com/content/pr...408wfp?c=us&l=en&s=dfo
Dell has relatively good return policies.
You can also get the 30" DoubleSight DS-305W, but if you have any vision-related problems, that small of a dot pitch may present a problem. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6824185012&Tpk=ds-305w
Although I haven't seen a review of it yet, the DS-263N has a great reputation (as does DoubleSight's support), and it *seems* like that would be a good choice. It lists the panel as IPS like the LCD2490. Then there's the LCD2690 but that's probably too far over your budget and not worth it over the cheaper wide gamut displays like the DoubleSight. There's quite a few choices really for under $1000 especially if you don't care about having all the inputs. I gave you most of the IPS (best, wide angle) panels in that range.
You're welcome.
The only thing that is throwing me off from the hp is I heard it has a high input lag, and I will be playing games. I need to get an LCD from a place with a great return policy (online) as I went through hell getting newegg to give me a refund for a samsung, Also no restocking fee would be nice.
Did the dell you saw have any flickering?
I would just get a NEC 2090 but that is too far out of my price range.
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