LittleNemoNES
Diamond Member
1680x1050 = 33% more than 1280x1024
To oversimplify, you could think you need 33% more power to run at your current FPS (from where? CPU? GPU? Can't say)
It makes sense to me but maybe someone can put me to shame 😛
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1680x1050 = 33% more than 1280x1024
To oversimplify, you could think you need 33% more power to run at your current FPS (from where? CPU? GPU? Can't say)
It makes sense to me but maybe someone can put me to shame 😛
Sylar Powers
Member
You know, if the NEC LCD2490WUXIBKSV does not have any more input lag than say, a good LCD HDTV, then I can't think of a reason to not get it, and end my search now. I have been gaming on a 500.00 US Dollar Samsung LCD HDTV for a while now to no ill effect. Extended online battles in Call of Duty 4 for the PS3 feels fine on it.
What do you think on this xtknight? Perhaps I have been reading too much into this lag issue.
This 10e guy at Hard Forum suggested that this monitor would be great for the PS3, and that only PC Gamers need that extra last bit of low lag accuracy, as a mouse is more sensitive than a PS3 pad. To be clear, I am a Mac Pro user and hardcore console gamer. I am not even sure I will get into PC gaming. Not to mention that my aspirations for art points to the NEC.
Provantage can get me the NEC with Spectraview for 1200.00 USD delivered (tax and shipping included). I'm thinking that I have been overthinking it, and now I think I will just buy this. I think.
And to give xtknight a complement, I was reading on the web about a Sharp LCD HDTV. It caught my eye for console gaming, and sure enough, it's on your recommendation list. This has been the case with a number of LCD models that held my interest. xtknight's list is fairly complete. It's hardly worth searching anywhere else besides here and Hard Forum.
Interestingly enough, I think I answered my own questions here, in a sort of roundabout way. 10e said the Sharp LC3xGP1U or LC3xGP3U LCD HDTVs have about 1.5 frames of lag, or an estimated 33ms, and are the lowest lag LCD HDTVs around. I subjectively find a good LCD HDTV fine for PS3 gaming and input lag. Ergo, (I have been waiting to use this word in a sentence since The Matrix Trilogy was in theaters) the NEC 2490 will be fine with about 2 frames of input lag, or about 35ms. I had a feeling this lag issue was overstated in forums.
I'm taking a trip to NEC-ville.
God. What will I post about now that I'm done picking out my monitor? Oh yes, I get to post how many dead pixels I have...
Now I can do everything I want on one big monitor, which is cool. Just like the Batcave monitor.
What do you think on this xtknight? Perhaps I have been reading too much into this lag issue.
This 10e guy at Hard Forum suggested that this monitor would be great for the PS3, and that only PC Gamers need that extra last bit of low lag accuracy, as a mouse is more sensitive than a PS3 pad. To be clear, I am a Mac Pro user and hardcore console gamer. I am not even sure I will get into PC gaming. Not to mention that my aspirations for art points to the NEC.
Provantage can get me the NEC with Spectraview for 1200.00 USD delivered (tax and shipping included). I'm thinking that I have been overthinking it, and now I think I will just buy this. I think.
And to give xtknight a complement, I was reading on the web about a Sharp LCD HDTV. It caught my eye for console gaming, and sure enough, it's on your recommendation list. This has been the case with a number of LCD models that held my interest. xtknight's list is fairly complete. It's hardly worth searching anywhere else besides here and Hard Forum.
Interestingly enough, I think I answered my own questions here, in a sort of roundabout way. 10e said the Sharp LC3xGP1U or LC3xGP3U LCD HDTVs have about 1.5 frames of lag, or an estimated 33ms, and are the lowest lag LCD HDTVs around. I subjectively find a good LCD HDTV fine for PS3 gaming and input lag. Ergo, (I have been waiting to use this word in a sentence since The Matrix Trilogy was in theaters) the NEC 2490 will be fine with about 2 frames of input lag, or about 35ms. I had a feeling this lag issue was overstated in forums.
I'm taking a trip to NEC-ville.
God. What will I post about now that I'm done picking out my monitor? Oh yes, I get to post how many dead pixels I have...
Now I can do everything I want on one big monitor, which is cool. Just like the Batcave monitor.
random betrayal
Member
Just a follow up, I received my hmdi cable from monoprice yesterday and I hooked up the xbox and it noticeably increased the sharpness/crispness of the display. I was running in VGA at 1386 x 768 or something like that before, which while it had more or less the correct aspect ratio it did induce a little "fuzzy" look to it when I compared how it looked over DVI with the computer. So I would recommend if you can, run hdmi with the Benq 2400 and the xbox.
I think you will definitely enjoy this screen.
I have tested the LCD2690 for input lag and received similar numbers to XTKnight, with the only difference being that I tested vs. the BenQ G2400W because I'm too lazy to dig out a CRT.
I just "MRA"-d my LCD2690 because of a couple of issues. NEC's support is top notch and they allow advanced replacement (ie. they ship a NEW replacement out prior to you having to ship them the monitor). Very seamless and easy.
This monitor IS spectacular for PS3. It is the best picture I've ever seen with this console. I guarantee that on my eyes 🙂 It is far nicer than any of the Sharps that I've seen, and better than even my LG TV which I believe is excellent.
I wouldn't worry about input lag. Unless you have a very fast monitor next to it (in regards to input lag) the NEC will seem more than fast enough in general use, and especially for consoles.
The only small thing the NEC can't do is handle interlaced signals, but with all the customizations you can perform, you will always be able to find a proper picture for your purposes.
It is well worth the price and a monitor that you can enjoy for years to come, with a 4 year warranty.
Regards,
10e - < that guy 🙂
I have tested the LCD2690 for input lag and received similar numbers to XTKnight, with the only difference being that I tested vs. the BenQ G2400W because I'm too lazy to dig out a CRT.
I just "MRA"-d my LCD2690 because of a couple of issues. NEC's support is top notch and they allow advanced replacement (ie. they ship a NEW replacement out prior to you having to ship them the monitor). Very seamless and easy.
This monitor IS spectacular for PS3. It is the best picture I've ever seen with this console. I guarantee that on my eyes 🙂 It is far nicer than any of the Sharps that I've seen, and better than even my LG TV which I believe is excellent.
I wouldn't worry about input lag. Unless you have a very fast monitor next to it (in regards to input lag) the NEC will seem more than fast enough in general use, and especially for consoles.
The only small thing the NEC can't do is handle interlaced signals, but with all the customizations you can perform, you will always be able to find a proper picture for your purposes.
It is well worth the price and a monitor that you can enjoy for years to come, with a 4 year warranty.
Regards,
10e - < that guy 🙂
So glad I found this forum! And to think I thought that buying an LCD was a straightforward process ...😀
I'm looking to get an LCD to run off my Macbook (not MBP; Intel Core Due w/2GB RAM); probably 22" but possibly 20" if quality is significantly better. (24" is too big for my desk, alas.) Are there any MacBook-specific issues I should be aware of, vis. one LCD versus another? I'm a writer, so my screen usage would be about 80% office work (documents, databases, web viewing) and 20% procrastination (photo editing, occasional gaming limited to what my MacBook can handle). I'd like to spend $300 or less -- the Apple screens are sweet but too rich for my blood.
Reading this forum, I'm narrowing in on the L226WT or L227WT, the the ASUS VW222U, and the Acer AL2216 (much cheaper than the others), though it looks like none have adjustable stands -- maybe that's not a real concern for those who've used them. (This will be my first-ever LCD purchase.) The Dell SP2208 has gotten nice reviews elsewhere, and the shipping cost is $0, but others complain about fuzzy text, and I'm reluctant to buy a monitor I can't first see in a store.
Anything I'm missing? Any suggestions/recommendations/thoughts beyond those here? I did see on Craigslist recently a local guy selling a 2007WFP for $200; I've read that can be an excellent monitor. But a monitor without a warranty seems like potential trouble...
Thanks!
Since this is a pretty general "what LCD do I buy" question, I'm going to move this to the LCD thread. Oh, and welcome to the AT forums.🙂
-ViRGE
I'm looking to get an LCD to run off my Macbook (not MBP; Intel Core Due w/2GB RAM); probably 22" but possibly 20" if quality is significantly better. (24" is too big for my desk, alas.) Are there any MacBook-specific issues I should be aware of, vis. one LCD versus another? I'm a writer, so my screen usage would be about 80% office work (documents, databases, web viewing) and 20% procrastination (photo editing, occasional gaming limited to what my MacBook can handle). I'd like to spend $300 or less -- the Apple screens are sweet but too rich for my blood.
Reading this forum, I'm narrowing in on the L226WT or L227WT, the the ASUS VW222U, and the Acer AL2216 (much cheaper than the others), though it looks like none have adjustable stands -- maybe that's not a real concern for those who've used them. (This will be my first-ever LCD purchase.) The Dell SP2208 has gotten nice reviews elsewhere, and the shipping cost is $0, but others complain about fuzzy text, and I'm reluctant to buy a monitor I can't first see in a store.
Anything I'm missing? Any suggestions/recommendations/thoughts beyond those here? I did see on Craigslist recently a local guy selling a 2007WFP for $200; I've read that can be an excellent monitor. But a monitor without a warranty seems like potential trouble...
Thanks!
Since this is a pretty general "what LCD do I buy" question, I'm going to move this to the LCD thread. Oh, and welcome to the AT forums.🙂
-ViRGE
The review here doesn't really indicate that it would exceed the G2400W.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl.../24inch-2_7.html#sect0
Stick with the G2400W, I say.
I don't really think they'd be able to help you but you can give it a shot. The answer to your first question is that some USB hubs are buggy and intermittent.
I'm not really sure what to think. It could be any number of things like screen door effect or the backlight modulation, but you can't really limit it down to either one of them without disassembling the monitor and re-engineering it. Considering consulting an optometrist to see if you're sensitive to fluorescent lights, or something like that. There's not a whole lot of info on stuff like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...ent_lamp#Health_issues
It could also be allergies or lack of ambient lighting.
They are good although the black levels of those LCDs didn't get great marks (presumably because the brightness does not control the backlight as much as it should). Hazro is also not available in North America at all, unfortunately.
Same here, although I'd say 2mm at max.
I had one really annoying one that appeared and later disappeared (thankfully because it was in a terrible position). I still have two right now, one at the edge and one off center enough not to matter.
I just decided to keep mine despite the faults.
Usually between 1680x1050 and 1280x1024 there's not that much difference. You really need to look at benchmarks for this as I certainly can not give a definitive answer on video cards anymore.
But I can help you with the monitor choice. I'm pretty sure you want to be looking at the LG L227WTG if you want glossy/wide gamut, or ASUS VW222u if you'd rather have matte/standard gamut. If you want glossy/standard gamut or matte/wide gamut you'll be venturing into uncertain territory.
If you can play fine on your TV I'd really assume that the monitor would not have more input lag than it.
OK well do get the LCD24 if you do sRGB work, or otherwise the LCD26 if you do work more suited to Adobe RGB.
Welcome to the forums and I'm glad it was helpful.
The second monitor it can support is actually limited to resolution and not size, so they probably meant it could support up to 1920x1200. Apple does not sell a 1920x1200 standalone monitor that is not 23". The Apple Cinema Display 23" should be exactly what you are looking for, however. Other than that there is the HP LP2065 which is 20.1" and not always guaranteed to be IPS (it has been consistently IPS however for the past few months, at least with some stocks).
If you want the two monitors to match then calibration is a good idea. I don't think you'll have much trouble getting two S-IPS panels to match, although the 24" iMac is glossy so I'm not sure what kind of trouble that'll cause. My glossy S-IPS NEC 20WMGX2 looks great calibrated with an Eye One Display 2, at least.
To be clear the Apple Cinema 23" is not a glossy panel. I think that both the 24" iMac and 23" Cinema are standard gamut.
I thought I recalled the Spyder 2 having trouble calibrating glossy panels, but I really can not confirm this since I use an i1 Display 2.
If your MacBook has only a VGA output, then that could limit the quality of output. It also depends on how well the LCD inputs VGA, although most do it well these days that I'm aware of. It's an issue that's never touched upon because it's a "99% use DVI, forget reviewing VGA thing". 🙁 I suggest buying an LCD from somewhere to which you can return it later should there arise any issues.
That's actually a good thing, because brick and mortar stores carry those types of LCDs (<$300). That means you won't be stuck with poor return policies online.
The LG L227WT is something you should give a try. If you can find an ASUS VW222u that would be a great choice as well but I don't remember seeing ASUS LCDs in any local stores.
I don't think the warranty-less 2007WFP is a good idea. For text, MVA/IPS are overrated. Most people even find TNs more comfortable, in fact. I may have some things to correct in my OP when I state IPS are more comfortable, as recently, this has not been the case for many.
Many thanks, xtKnight! My MacBook has a mini-DVI port, so that helps. I see the ASUS listed locally at J&R for $279, athe LG L226 (actually the L227) at Best Buy for $339, and the AL2216 for $229 at J&R. Is the Samsung 225BW ($294 at B&H) also worth considering for my purposes?
Okay, okay, I've read and re-read until I'm blue in the face. My first decision was easy: Last year, I bought the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 (close-out deal at NewEgg complete w/ $100 rebate; effective price $400) and couldn't be more pleased with its phenomenal performance. (I'm a photographer and do the image editing thing - both sRGB & Adobe RGB - as well as general use applications - I'm NOT a gamer.) At the time, my second choice was the BenQ FP241W (which seemed to have it all; was similarly priced; but NEC was a "brand name"). The extra screen real estate might have been nice, but ... I'm very happy with my choice. Many thanks for all the wonderful information provided in this thread!
Now I'm in need of a second monitor. And, I want that extra real estate. While not absolutely necessary, I'd like the portrait-mode swivel feature, too. If NEC offered an essentially identical 24WMGX2, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The NEC 2490 and 2690 WUXi models are just out of my budget for the time being. That leaves a very small handful of less expensive options, among them, the DoubleSight DS-263N (essentially the Planar PX2611W's econo-twin without the swivel) and, possibly, the Dell newcomer on the block, the UltraSharp 2408WFP (which, like the now-discontinued BenQ, seems to have all the bells and whistles). I really like the idea of the Dell with all its connectivity and features; however, Dell just isn't a company that engenders blind trust (the panel lottery with past models, unaddressed issues with several models, sometimes [very] poor service [have I got a nightmare story about a Dell server!], etc). I've seen some good reviews; but there also seem to be some jitters among the comments posted in forums.
Has anyone seen both? Any advice, comments or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Now I'm in need of a second monitor. And, I want that extra real estate. While not absolutely necessary, I'd like the portrait-mode swivel feature, too. If NEC offered an essentially identical 24WMGX2, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The NEC 2490 and 2690 WUXi models are just out of my budget for the time being. That leaves a very small handful of less expensive options, among them, the DoubleSight DS-263N (essentially the Planar PX2611W's econo-twin without the swivel) and, possibly, the Dell newcomer on the block, the UltraSharp 2408WFP (which, like the now-discontinued BenQ, seems to have all the bells and whistles). I really like the idea of the Dell with all its connectivity and features; however, Dell just isn't a company that engenders blind trust (the panel lottery with past models, unaddressed issues with several models, sometimes [very] poor service [have I got a nightmare story about a Dell server!], etc). I've seen some good reviews; but there also seem to be some jitters among the comments posted in forums.
Has anyone seen both? Any advice, comments or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Squidmaster
Member
I have eye sensitivity issues, but I also use computers all the time. This is a new, more severe issue. I have a 26" LCD TV that also does not cause this sensation when used from roughly the same range. If I was particularly sensitive to fluorescent light, I would have the same problem with both in all likelihood, would I not?
I think with the way the monitor resets settings without my permission, I have a decent case for returning this anyway, though the bigger reason is the fatigue. I'm trying to arrange a situation where I can use someone else's LCD for a bit just for a safety net, but that may not happen. I can use laptop screens with less fatigue than a CRT... I certainly didn't expect a big fatigue jump from a CRT to an LCD.
I think with the way the monitor resets settings without my permission, I have a decent case for returning this anyway, though the bigger reason is the fatigue. I'm trying to arrange a situation where I can use someone else's LCD for a bit just for a safety net, but that may not happen. I can use laptop screens with less fatigue than a CRT... I certainly didn't expect a big fatigue jump from a CRT to an LCD.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
Anyone have personal experience with the Samsung 932BW?
Sylar Powers
Member
WOW, 10e, your here too. I may have missed your name before, as I tend to skim.
BTW-Iron Man is a great movie. Everyone should buy the DVD release to play on their new monitors! That's me keeping it relevant.
I am going to buy the standard color gamut NEC2490, over the wide color gamut of the NEC2690.
I have been reading up on wide color gamut monitors, and while they are the future, the future may not be here yet. I gather the problem comes from the fact that a lot of software is still not color managed. Standard color gamut monitors have the same basic issue that wide color gamut monitors have, that they don't match colors perfectly without color aware software, but standard color gamut monitors are better at masking the issue by being a close enough hardware match. By improving the color gamut, the colors are better, but you are also changing the hardware, unbalancing your "hardware match", which highlights why software color management is necessarily.
Still, the fact remains that the old way hides this problem better, though you are limiting yourself color wise for increased compatibility. When everything is auto color managed via software in the future, wide color gamut monitors will offer better more accurate color without the headaches of today. Right now, only some of the software is color aware, and that's why we have issues between programs with wide color gamut monitors. But since I don't have a time machine, and can't live in this color utopia yet, I will be going with the NEC2490-even if it means I lose some color gamut. Plus, the NEC2490 is a little cheaper, has a smaller pixel pitch (which I prefer), and is rumored to have less manufacturing defects. That said, I have not used a wide color gamut monitor yet, so I am comparing the two options on paper only.
Did I mention how cool Iron Man was? Batman Begins quality-I kid you not.
BTW-Iron Man is a great movie. Everyone should buy the DVD release to play on their new monitors! That's me keeping it relevant.
I am going to buy the standard color gamut NEC2490, over the wide color gamut of the NEC2690.
I have been reading up on wide color gamut monitors, and while they are the future, the future may not be here yet. I gather the problem comes from the fact that a lot of software is still not color managed. Standard color gamut monitors have the same basic issue that wide color gamut monitors have, that they don't match colors perfectly without color aware software, but standard color gamut monitors are better at masking the issue by being a close enough hardware match. By improving the color gamut, the colors are better, but you are also changing the hardware, unbalancing your "hardware match", which highlights why software color management is necessarily.
Still, the fact remains that the old way hides this problem better, though you are limiting yourself color wise for increased compatibility. When everything is auto color managed via software in the future, wide color gamut monitors will offer better more accurate color without the headaches of today. Right now, only some of the software is color aware, and that's why we have issues between programs with wide color gamut monitors. But since I don't have a time machine, and can't live in this color utopia yet, I will be going with the NEC2490-even if it means I lose some color gamut. Plus, the NEC2490 is a little cheaper, has a smaller pixel pitch (which I prefer), and is rumored to have less manufacturing defects. That said, I have not used a wide color gamut monitor yet, so I am comparing the two options on paper only.
Did I mention how cool Iron Man was? Batman Begins quality-I kid you not.
LittleNemoNES
Diamond Member
Another member here 🙂
Can I please have a colorimeter calibrated ICC profile for my NEC LCD2690WUXi? (xtknight, do you have one?)
Can I please have a colorimeter calibrated ICC profile for my NEC LCD2690WUXi? (xtknight, do you have one?)
rhettdb2005
Junior Member
Hey everyone,
So after doing some research, I think I have settled on a monitor but I would love to get some feedback and advice before I make the purchase. Some basic information:
I currently have a 17" LCD, looking to upgrade to a 22" widescreen LCD. Am looking for HDMI and DVI-D inputs, because one of the main reasons I am getting the new monitor is so that I can hook up both my computer and either an XBox360 or PS3 to it as well (the debate between those two is a whole other matter). Based on those specifications, and some things I have read here and elsewhere, it seems that the Dell SP2208WFPis my best option.
It is at the very top end of my budget (max around $350, but would prefer to stay under $300). I will be using the monitor primarily for traditional work things (word, excel, etc) and gaming (both PC and console). It will also get lesser use for TV/Video. I have an 8800GT, so I think I will see a pretty good improvement in quality with the new monitor.
So is that the right choice? Are their other, better options for what I am looking for? Also, what are the chances that the price drops on this dell in the near future--should I buy now, or hold off a few weeks? Thanks for your help!
So after doing some research, I think I have settled on a monitor but I would love to get some feedback and advice before I make the purchase. Some basic information:
I currently have a 17" LCD, looking to upgrade to a 22" widescreen LCD. Am looking for HDMI and DVI-D inputs, because one of the main reasons I am getting the new monitor is so that I can hook up both my computer and either an XBox360 or PS3 to it as well (the debate between those two is a whole other matter). Based on those specifications, and some things I have read here and elsewhere, it seems that the Dell SP2208WFPis my best option.
It is at the very top end of my budget (max around $350, but would prefer to stay under $300). I will be using the monitor primarily for traditional work things (word, excel, etc) and gaming (both PC and console). It will also get lesser use for TV/Video. I have an 8800GT, so I think I will see a pretty good improvement in quality with the new monitor.
So is that the right choice? Are their other, better options for what I am looking for? Also, what are the chances that the price drops on this dell in the near future--should I buy now, or hold off a few weeks? Thanks for your help!
TempletonPeck
Member
I finally decided to pick up (been waiting around 5 months to try another LCD monitor) the L227WTG-PF (on sale) and give another monitor a try based on xtknight's recommendation.
Hoping this is the last time I need to pickup a monitor for a good while. This is the 8th monitor I've tried.
The one thing I've noticed straight out of the gate is that unlike the previous TN monitors I tried, there's no dithering used as far as I can tell, so I'm not seeing the checkerboard effect I was seeing before everywhere.
Edit- Initial impressions: Decent colours out of the box (once adjusted very nice), great in the few games I've tried. Only issues I've seen are a little bit of backlight bleed along the top and bottom which is normal on any TN it seems and a small amount of RTC errors. A big improvement over previous models with overdrive though, not bad at all.
Hoping this is the last time I need to pickup a monitor for a good while. This is the 8th monitor I've tried.
The one thing I've noticed straight out of the gate is that unlike the previous TN monitors I tried, there's no dithering used as far as I can tell, so I'm not seeing the checkerboard effect I was seeing before everywhere.
Edit- Initial impressions: Decent colours out of the box (once adjusted very nice), great in the few games I've tried. Only issues I've seen are a little bit of backlight bleed along the top and bottom which is normal on any TN it seems and a small amount of RTC errors. A big improvement over previous models with overdrive though, not bad at all.
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