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bunit

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Are IPS monitors noticeably bulky?
I ask this because they look rather thick on the back end, compared to LCDs at least, which are generally around just an inch thick. For me, as a college student that is going to have to undergo a bunch of moving days and will be pretty darn cramped on space, I'm wondering if this should be any sort of a concern?
 
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There is no thickness difference. The only thing that can allow a monitor to be "thinner" is LED backlighting.

Which is why I really want something like the u2410 but with LED backlighting... That and because of the reduced power consumption!

I'm not sure I can hold out much longer though... I really need an HDCP monitor and something with an HDMI connection ASAP
 
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I was just about to pull the trigger for a ASUS MT276HE, when I saw the review on the front page for the Sceptre X270W review?? I'm still not sold on Eyefinity but want to upgrade from my 20 LCD to something bigger. Does anyone have an opinion on the Asus against the Sceptre?
 
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Kostamojen

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I caved in, I got tired of running a PS3 via the yellow compnent cable on my non-HDCP Dell IPS monitor...

I bought a LG W2453v, one of the new TFT monitors. First thing i'm noticing is the colors are more washed out. It was cheap though, and theres nothing out there that is exactly what I want so i'm not too concerned. Its definitely better than all the TN monitors that I saw...
 
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bunit

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Glossy IPS monitors.
Do they exist?

There are pros and cons to glossy but I prefer glossy screens over matte ones. Just because. Oversaturation yadadadada I think they look better, matte screens often look like they're dusty+washed out and the colors simply aren't vibrant/don't pop as much. On glossy, images often look sharper as well, and sometimes the blacks can be better. Color innacuracy doesn't matter to me because I"m not a photoeditor. I"m getting an IPS for the general improvement in image quality, not its professional uses.

Anyways, yeah. Glossy IPS monitors with good input lag/response times. Coming in the near future/do they exist now?
 
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GoodRevrnd

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I think a lot of matte monitors have gotten better. I was pretty impressed by the coating on my Vaio Z (for a laptop).
 
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This is my first post.wish to find a IPS lcd monitor 24" or 27" or higher with 2ms response or 1ms response time.... is it available ?
 
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Winterpool

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If we're going to talk about non-standalone monitors, then don't forget the glossy IPS displays in the Apple iMacs.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised there aren't any glossy IPS monitors yet, given how glossy has taken over the notebook sector altogether. I suppose it's possible that IPS manufacturers presume their monitors are going to designers and editors who would prefer matte displays.

Bunit, if you prefer the oversaturated look, you may want to consider a wide-gamut display.

Can I just say here how distressed I am by the shitty QA in the first run of the Dell U2311H, at least as evidenced by the initial responses on Hard|Forum? The tinting and uneven panels common to most affordable IPS displays seems ubiquitous, as well as other issues, ugh.
 
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I see today that the local Frys Electronics has available the Viewsonic VP2365WB that is an E-IPS panel. Price is $314. Summarizing reviews regarding weak points, they are: low brightness (results in dull presentation), color non-uniformity in horizontal plane & stand/base needs to be more beefy to get better stability. Good points seem to be no back light bleed, overall accurate color, decent with movies & games & no dead pixels seen on the evaluation model. This monitor is a matte black exterior with anti-glare screen. It seemed okay in the store, except for obscuration of details in the low lights. (Note: The review blamed the low/limited brightness of the display for this - not sure if this is really the source of the issue; brightness spec is 300 nits & contrast ratio is 1000:1 both of which are quite ordinary/common/typical.)

I wonder how this display compares to the NEC P221W or the EA231WM which are in similar price classes? Any opinions or facts?
 
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bunit said:
Glossy IPS monitors.
Do they exist?
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Apple Cinema monitors are Glossy IPS displays.
C1 said:
I see today that the local Frys Electronics has available the Viewsonic VP2365WB that is an E-IPS panel. Price is $314. Summarizing reviews regarding weak points, they are: low brightness (results in dull presentation), color non-uniformity in horizontal plane & stand/base needs to be more beefy to get better stability. Good points seem to be no back light bleed, overall accurate color, decent with movies & games & no dead pixels seen on the evaluation model. This monitor is a matte black exterior with anti-glare screen. It seemed okay in the store, except for obscuration of details in the low lights. (Note: The review blamed the low/limited brightness of the display for this - not sure if this is really the source of the issue; brightness spec is 300 nits & contrast ratio is 1000:1 both of which are quite ordinary/common/typical.)
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My Frys didn't have one on display when I bought my monitor Saturday. I wanted to see that one in action, but the reviews I've seen online were poor and it was $55 more than the monitor I got, so I decided to skip it.

I did notice that most of the monitors looked like crap, because they take one feed and splice it between like 30 monitors... Its easier to look at the monitors connected to individual computers on display, or perhaps ask to hook one up to one of those computers to get a better idea of what it will look like.
 
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I have found too many get too elitist in choosing a display today, trying to shop specs rather than what looks good to them.

I am using a NEC2490WUXi...I bought it about 5+ years finally after seeing them. Factory refurb for $500 vs the $1000+ back then.

Most talk about ghosting and crap, I don't see any of that with movies or games. Colors are much like my Sony G500 that preceded it. Much of the time it feels just like looking at a CRT.
 
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Snobbery, prestige, and, yes, paper specs are unavoidable parts of any consumer decision. I think it's more understandable in this particular sector because good monitors are so hard to find in physical shops (and of course they probably won't be set up properly anyhow) -- so most punters are buying semi-blind. The desperation evident in some of the queries found on Hard|Forum threads ('please, does this monitor do / suffer XYZ?!') demonstrates the degree of buyer panic and frustration out there. Yes, some retailers offer liberal return policies, but it's still a pain in the arse repacking and shipping back a big monitor.

The other issue is that a monitor is often a big, long-term investment, especially in comparison to other computing kit. And we stare at them all day (sometimes all night) long...

I think most of us know that we must take the manufacturers' press with an ample dose of salt. This is why user and semipro reviews are so critical in this area -- someone else's empirical experience is the best info we can usually get on QA, response time, ergonomics, etc.

Apple Cinema monitors are Glossy IPS displays.
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D'oh! Completely forgot about them. For some reason they've dropped off my radar -- probably owing to their glossiness (jah, I'm pro-matte) and the arrival of so many affordable IPS displays. A few years ago, the 23-inch Apple Cinema Display was one of the most affordable 1920x1200 IPS monitors, if you can believe it!

Speaking of affordable IPS, the Dell U2410 can be discounted with a coupon again, down to $449.10 today.
 
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C1

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I would have to agree. Ive been shopping for an LCD too for a long time. I frequently go to Frys with a thumb drive of various media types (BW & color photos, movies, test patterns, etc.) and evaluate them on a whole bunch of LCDs (yes, each connected to a dedicated computer). Conclusion is that most LCDs are just junk. They are okay for general office type activities, but dont expect to win any beauty contests. I never cease to be appalled at the differences or inconsistency among displays! The things on the floor which will never be displayed are test patterns (detail and color). (I think it is because no one wants you to care. Shown are cartoons and screen savers & one doesnt have to even look carefully to see that those look like shit too - one out of ten displays is able to be made to show the details in the low lights.) The conclusion keeps coming up that if you want an accurate/good display then you're going to have begin looking at $700 retail for openers (20" on up).
 
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Winterpool

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I have found too many get too elitist in choosing a display...
I am using a NEC2490WUXi...
Click to expand...

Said the pot to the kettle? Heh heh... I'd be pleased as punch to own an LCD2490WUXi!

That said, you did get a half-price refurb, so we'll deduct some elitism points there.
 
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Grabbed a Viewsonic VP2365wb. Love it. I'm an idiot and bought a PVA panel long ago because it "looked better" to me than the panels around it. Unfortunately I grew used to it and now can't stand TN panels, I notice the difference immediately. Wish I'd never bought it, I'm sure I'd be satisfied with some nice cheap 27" TN panel and not know any better. :(

Anyway, wanted a new panel so I grabbed the Viewsonic.

The positives:
1. Great image quality. Colors are very accurate out of the box using the provided ICC profile. I know, I should grab my friend's spyder and make my own...maybe later lol.
2. Absolutely no input lag to speak of. Well, the weirdest thing. I'm sooo used to a PVA panel with a bit of input lag...been using it for like 6 years. In that amount of time my brain has adjust to compensate, so when I switched to this thing it left me with this REALLY eery feeling in games where it feels like things move before they should, really friggin weird. ;p Good as most TN panels imho in this respect. I can't notice the lag, if any.
3. Viewing angles are of course perfect as they should be with IPS panel. No backlight bleeding or color shifts at all...
4. The stand is nice. Some people have said it isn't, but it's great imho. Monitor adjusts nicely, flips to portrait mode easily if needed, etc!
Downsides:
1. The sRGB mode is quite dim. Not sure why. I guess it doesn't really matter because you could just use the user mode and adjust so meh.
2. The blue power LED is really friggin bright. It annoys the crap out of me! There's no way to dim it in the controls either! Why in god's name would they put that stupid thing there! Really distracting! I put a tiny piece of electrical tape over it--problem solved. An annoyance, though.
3. No display port. Lame. The DVI does support hdcp though of course, but meh.
4. The cable management "tie downs" on the stand are really lame. Seriously Viewsonic, I know you can do better here. Thanks for trying, though.
 
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Read the AT review of the HP ZR30w, and was moderately impressed. I notice HP makes a little brother, the ZR22w. It's priced at $289, but its native resolution is 1920x1080. If you don't mind 16:9 screens, this is a 22" running that resolution on a S-IPS panel...kind of cool.
 
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For some reason I had thought the ZR22w was PVA, but indeed it appears to be IPS. Note that the 24-inch ZR24w can be obtained for about $120 more and provides 1200 vertical pixels.

21.5 inches at 16:9 isn't a very large screen, but the very fine dot pitch (0.2475 mm) at that res might be appealing. Mmm. The 27-inch iMac (and Dell IPS display) have dot pitch of .2335 mm.
 
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Hey guys, first post here.

I am looking for a pretty good quality 22-24 inch flat-screen monitor for general usage. Just want to know if there are other options out there other than Dell Ultrasharp 2209WA because the top page seems to be outdated.

1. 16:10
2. 90 degree rotation
3. HDMI, DVI, VGA
4. pitch: the bigger, the better.
5. of course the cheaper the better. Preferably sub $300

Don't care about ghosting or IPS vs TN vs VA.
 
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When calibrating these monitors, what's the effective difference between RGB standard 6500k and "native white point," and what does native white point mean? Do you only use NWP if your monitor can't independently adjust RGB?
 
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