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[Retired] The LCD Thread
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Thanks, I actually hadn't seen that link. I didn't realize it was on their French site only.
I also found a review on thg.ru. I don't know what panel it actually is.
http://64.233.179.104/translat...samsung__2232bw_1.html
The VX2255wm still seems like a solid choice, at least. I'm not sure I believe the uniformity measurements there (my L226WT doesn't seem that bad subjectively and the VX2255 got better on PRAD).
The Acer P223W actually will be added to my list due to its excellent image quality results (high contrast, good default deltaE, good uniformity). Response time wasn't too bad, as it probably doesn't even use overdrive. The L226WT has about the same and I thought it was fine for gaming.
I guess I will put the 2232BW up. It is good in every area but that blue tint problem, which can be remedied in a couple ways.
The excellent Iiyama will be added for the sake of foreign users.
Maybe BenQ G2400 as well.
(These changes will probably be committed over the weekend.)
I bought a W2207 a couple of weeks ago. I searched around local stores until I found one with a Samsung panel.
Once I got it calibrated to my liking, I am very happy with it. I have no dead pixels and no backlight bleed to speak of. The ability to adjust it like it allows plus pivot to portrait mode is just great.
Yes, it is a TN, but I am not sorry I bought it. Your mileage may vary 🙂.
Buck Armstrong
Platinum Member
I just spent a few hours playing Rome Total War on the Planar 26", and words just cannot describe the difference between this display and the 2470WNX and VP2130b, or any other VA (and remember how happy I was with the 2470, so thats saying alot). The 3D strategy map is so much more rich, vibrant, and alive, and there is NO shifting of color or contrast from one side of the screen to the other. On the PVAs, trees, grass, water, etc. was darker in the center of the screen and lighter on the edges. Dark areas that were featureless black blobs when viewed straight-on are now full of detail and you can tell the darkest grays from black. And maybe its the wide gamut, but I'm seeing colors I never saw before in this game.
Its as good or better than the 21" Trinitron I've been trying to replace. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, its the new 20WMGX2: the image quality of a pro IPS with the speed and low lag of a gaming TN.
If this thing had boobs, I'd marry it. 😛
Its as good or better than the 21" Trinitron I've been trying to replace. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, its the new 20WMGX2: the image quality of a pro IPS with the speed and low lag of a gaming TN.
If this thing had boobs, I'd marry it. 😛
Best Buy Business is now listing the 2253BW and saying it will ship within a week. That probably means retail stores will have it around then or shortly after to. I think I'm gonna do what I said and trade the 2232BW for it. Perhaps the 2253BW will be as good as the 226BW regarding input lag, have the slightly better specs of the 2232s, and the design looks pretty cool to. Nothing is wrong with my 2232BW but seems dumb to keep it with a new model coming out and the very good chane of getting an S panel for a change.
All...firstly, thank you for this thread!
I received a 2208WFP for work and its not going to cut it. The biggest issue appears to be response time giving me serious eye strain, but I've also noticed massive gradients in color where there should be none.
I need a "similarly" priced monitor that's going to fix the above two issues - no more than say $150 at the most. What's the cheapest I can go?
At this point, I'm willing to sacrifice resolution for somethjing else. Since this is work, it needs to be available via Dell or HP.
I do all forms of multimedia - seriously long hours of coding (thus a need for resolution), pixel perfect drawing, and printer color-matching. No video and no gaming, but obviously my eyes are sensitive to response time.
Thanks again...
I received a 2208WFP for work and its not going to cut it. The biggest issue appears to be response time giving me serious eye strain, but I've also noticed massive gradients in color where there should be none.
I need a "similarly" priced monitor that's going to fix the above two issues - no more than say $150 at the most. What's the cheapest I can go?
At this point, I'm willing to sacrifice resolution for somethjing else. Since this is work, it needs to be available via Dell or HP.
I do all forms of multimedia - seriously long hours of coding (thus a need for resolution), pixel perfect drawing, and printer color-matching. No video and no gaming, but obviously my eyes are sensitive to response time.
Thanks again...
Gordon Airporte
Junior Member
I did a lot of research and I don't recall any IPS panels under $500 that weren't lotteries. I chose the HP LP2065 because they have been consistently manufacturing and shipping S-IPS panels since May of last year. I ordered from a big online store with lots of inventory movement (and a good reputation: newegg), figuring this would ensure a newer monitor. It worked.
I also wanted an anti-glare coating because the glare on the iMac I use at work (glass surface) makes room lighting kind of a hassle - and that's with no windows in the room.
At 1600x1200, 5:4 monitors have the most pixels total of anything under 24" (1920x1200). Their physical width is very close to that of a 20" wide, which might more accurately be called a '20" shallow ' since they have 150 fewer vertical pixels and only 80 more horizontal.
The potential downside is they have the most pixels per inch of (almost) anything, which makes text smaller. That can be compensated for in your display and OS settings, however, although I haven't felt the need to so I'm not sure how well it works.
imported_elwood
Senior member
Where's the 22" monitors? Are they no decent 22" gaming monitors? I'm thinking about getting a 245BW but with many talking about the color shifting i'm not so sure i want to spend $450 on a monitor like that. Any other suggestions for a gaming monitor in the $400 range?
Gordon Airporte
Junior Member
These will all be worth considering: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore...ers-guide/gamer22.html
Since most 22" monitors are TN panels they automatically have better response times, but you have to accept the color shift weirdness if those extra milliseconds are important to you.
Well, my 2007WFP (S-IPS, thankfully) came in today. Not quite sure what to think yet. It's not horrible, but it definitely has a few problems.
The coating is much stronger than I would have thought. I'm not sure why they felt the need to go so overboard with it. I have an LCD here with much milder anti-glare that seems just as effective at filtering out glare, but it does so without making everything look dusty. Does anyone happen to know what the LP2065's coating is like? Is it this strong?
It's also flickering quite noticeably on certain colors (mostly gray), more than my 20WMGX2 did I believe. This alone is probably the biggest problem I have with it, because ironically enough it's flickering just as much -- if not more -- than my CRT does on some colors.
Response time is also much poorer than I would have expected, but I didn't really buy it to play too many games.
I'm going to use it for a couple of days and see how it goes. Even if I don't like it, I don't know what other options I have. It seems as if all of the 20" IPS panels suffer from the flickering issue, so I'm not sure what else I could possibly try.
By the way, does anyone know whether it's possible to enable ClearType on only one display? It improves text quality significantly on the 2007WFP, but it looks terrible on my CRT.
The coating is much stronger than I would have thought. I'm not sure why they felt the need to go so overboard with it. I have an LCD here with much milder anti-glare that seems just as effective at filtering out glare, but it does so without making everything look dusty. Does anyone happen to know what the LP2065's coating is like? Is it this strong?
It's also flickering quite noticeably on certain colors (mostly gray), more than my 20WMGX2 did I believe. This alone is probably the biggest problem I have with it, because ironically enough it's flickering just as much -- if not more -- than my CRT does on some colors.
Response time is also much poorer than I would have expected, but I didn't really buy it to play too many games.
I'm going to use it for a couple of days and see how it goes. Even if I don't like it, I don't know what other options I have. It seems as if all of the 20" IPS panels suffer from the flickering issue, so I'm not sure what else I could possibly try.
By the way, does anyone know whether it's possible to enable ClearType on only one display? It improves text quality significantly on the 2007WFP, but it looks terrible on my CRT.
zod96
Platinum Member
Yeah I noticed that flicker with my 20wmgx2 when scrolling web pages. With this HP W2207 I'm using now its not their. In fact I like this HP so much I might keep it. It has no blue ting like the samsung 2232GW did, the text seems to be as sharp as my nec 20 wmgx2, and the blacks are really blacks. The nec is slightly brighter. The hp has slight backlight bleed on the bottom on just about half the screen. On the samsung it was both top and bottom. And I know this is a 6 bit LCD but having this next to my nec running dual lcd's and the same wallpaper, I honestly could not tell a difference between an 8 bit and 6 bit. I mean if I didn't know either of these monitors specs, it would be a 50/50 chance for me to choose the 8 bit over the 6 bit, and even then it would be a total guess. What's funny is a friend came over and I asked him which picture looks better on display, and he choose the hp 6 bit over the 8 bit nec. Maybe I just don't have it calibrated right. I got the Hp W2207 at staples for $300...
Yeah, I saw that particular problem when scrolling on my 20WMGX2 as well, but the Dell seems to be free of it. It just flickers constantly. The NEC did as well on grayish colors, but I seem to recall that I had to lower the brightness a bit before it became noticeable. It was immediately evident on the Dell at the default 50 brightness.
Interesting that your friend actually preferred the TN, especially since both screens are glossy. I'm actually finding my (very old) 15" TN to be easier on my eyes than either my CRT or the Dell, just as I did with the 20WMGX2.
Interesting that your friend actually preferred the TN, especially since both screens are glossy. I'm actually finding my (very old) 15" TN to be easier on my eyes than either my CRT or the Dell, just as I did with the 20WMGX2.
First, get a hold of NVidia personally and see if they know about such a driver issue; if they due see if a fix is in the process of being implemented or is implemented in a beta driver or an alpha driver or what not.
Second, NVidia is releasing their 9000 series cards sometime soon, some may be dwindling out this week. This will knock the prices of the 8000 series down more than they already are so I would wait for that to happen if you go the new GPU route.
I didn't make myself clear enough p:
I was asking if the heights differences between my bed to the screen will be a problem as in TN panel..I mean I can put the new LCD where the CRT stands now in the picture..the question is if there will be problems with the picture in that state
xtknight I saw your reply too..thanks both.
Well I'm not quite sure what you mean. The height itself isn't really the problem, it's getting the display to fully be in the field of view of your eyes (since TNs only appear good when you're looking STRAIGHT at them). The farther away you are from a display, the less bright it seems, but distance does not change viewing angles. So you could mount this thing 5 feet high and as long as the whole display was in your eye's field of view and the LCD was tilted properly, you'd be able to see the whole thing just fine. (Well aside from the fact of course that text would be small from ~5 feet away.)
zod96
Platinum Member
I just picked up my Hp w2207 for $309 from circuit city. These LCD is great, no dead or stuck pixels, no backlight bleeding and settings were great right out of the box. I got the MT22OWW01-V1 panel. Blacks look excellent of this lcd. Fired up some games and no ghosting or blurring at all, but I use vsync so that probably helps. Overall very very impressed with it considering its a 6 bit panel. Even the view angles aren't that bad. I have an old nec 20wmgx2 which is an 8 bit panel, and although its colors are better than the hp's, they aren't leaps and bounds better. Text is just as sharp on the HP as it is on the 20wmgx2. My only gripe is the stand, its rather bulky and large, I can't push it back to far on my desk because my desk has a back to it, so my lcd has to sit a tad to close to me, but I can live with it.Two thumbs up for this HP LCD 🙂
What CRT monitor do you have that uses a DVI input? By their nature a CRT is an analog device and it's unlikely the DAC chip in such a monitor would be any better than the one on your 8400GS. So, you would gain nothing by running anything but vga (analog D-sub) to your CRT.
What 8400GS are you using? All the ones listed on Newegg have at most one DVI, one VGA (D-sub), and one S-video port. Are you getting your port types confused?
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