Retarded manager, or was I disrespectful?

Cuda1447

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Ok, so I work retail for a cell phone provider. Let me give you some quick background info on what the emails that follow are about.


We have security devices on all our phones. Most of them work fine. There are a few that tend to malfunction all the time. The alarms go off when someone slightly touches the phone. This has been on going for months now. All the employees are annoyed by it. I have sent one previous email about this a few months back that basically said

"Hey guys, the alarm on x phone keeps going off. Can we please get it fixed?" or something along those lines.


Fast forward to 2 days before X-mas. Very busy time in the store. Myself and one other employee are working at about 6:30 at night and this alarm starts going off non-stop. Literally 5 times within 60 seconds. Needless to say I was a bit annoyed. I sent out an email and this is what follows:


Guys,

The alarm on the Motorola Rizr is malfunctioning again. Three things happens when this occurs. It slows down the flow of traffic, as the reps have to constantly go turn them off. It annoys our customers, as its very loud. Also, eventually a key is just left in the alarm until traffic slows down because reps cannot go turn it off every 3 minutes. This means that the alarms are worthless because they won't go off with the key in them and anyone can steal a phone. When the alarms do go off constantly though it doesn't matter. Its like the boy crying wolf. When the alarms are constantly malfunctioning we don't think it's a real threat. That means if the alarm does go off and its legit nobody moves real quick because it's a common occurrence..brb. Ok back, sorry had to go turn off the alarm, it just went off AGAIN~!~

Please guys, can we figure out how to get this fixed. I think I speak on behalf of the team when I say I HATE THE ALARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cuda


**I sent this email out to our entire store (7 employees)**


My manager responds directly to me.


Okay Cuda so this is the problem........I guess it would be to much to ask to take some initiative and fix the problem. Until Cuda *last name* can come up with a full proof security system I guess this what the entire team has to deal with..........when Cuda *last name* becomes the owner of his own company and develops his own full proof security system I guess this is the best we can do. So until then this is the system we all have to deal with......my apologises to all!!



I then responded with the following:

Wow, I'm sorry. I was just attempting to let the managers know about a problem that all the reps have been dealing with. My intent of the mail was to illuminate the problem and show how it could be a security risk, as well as a major nuisance to the employees. Unfortunately I am not in charge of the security devices. I do not have any control over setting them up, ordering new ones or any of the other stuff that goes into securing our phones. I suppose you are right, when I become a manager I can look into this problem further. Until then we will just have to deal with it I guess.

What I don't understand is why its being requested of me to "take some initiative and fix the problem". I took some initiative and told the proper people about the problem. When it wasn't fixed I told them about it again. I'm trying to do everything that's in my control, unfortunately replacing/fixing security devices isn't something I'm supposed to be doing, as far as I know. Maybe I'm wrong.

And for the record, I'm not asking for a 'full proof security system' I'm simply requesting one that doesn't provide false alarms all the time. As I've said before, if there are constant false alarms it means when there is a real theft attempt employees will not take it seriously. If I'm not mistaken two phones were stolen recently, or am I mistaken?

*Shrugs*

Cuda



Im a bit agitated at this point... my manager responds to me:

Unfortunately Cuda there were new security devices that myself and *other manager* had installed when you had informed us about this issue. Again I apologise to you and the entire *city* market that also has this problem. And your right I guess its not your job to have a sense of ownership in your workplace.


And one more response from me:

If its a problem that cannot be fixed, a simple communication to the team would suffice. What I don't understand is why my work ethic is being questioned with phrases such as " have a sense of ownership in your work place" and "take some initiative and fix the problem". If its something that you admit is not fixable, why would you expect me to take initiative or have a sense of ownership and fix it? Its not fixable. Furthermore, the sarcasm associated with those comments is not appreciated at all. We will discuss this further in person tomorrow.





That was that. The next day I went in and told him I thought he was very unprofessional, belittling, insulting and out of line. He told me that I was the one that was disrespectful etc... it basically turned into an hour long discussion about all kinds of ish. Being Christmas and all I basically told him that I didn't agree with his viewpoint on it and that I just wanted to go do my job since it was so busy. Now Im trying to figure out what to do from here on out.


What I'm looking for from ATOT is an honest opinion on who was out of line in the emails. For the record I'm not a problematic employee and don't have an behavior problems. The manager doesn't have the respect of any of the employees as he treats a lot of us with little respect and also violates corporate policies with a lot of the things he does in the store, but thats beside the point.


I know I can get an unbiased, honest opinion from ATOT and thats what I want. (Everyone Ive talked to say my manager is an asshole, but they were all my friends/family so...)



No cliffs, you must read the emails.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
No cliffs, you must read the emails.

Frack no.

How about:
c) Retarded manager and you were disrespectful

You can't possibly know that without reading, NOW GET BACK UP THERE AND READ THE EMAILS!
 

Ns1

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douche to teh max. stay if he's paying you well, GTFO if he's not. seriously, for a manager to have that kind of tone in emails, esp. if it's broadcast to the whole store, is incredibly unprofessional
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Full proof. awesome.

solution = quit working retail.

Its coming. Finishing my bachelors degree than I'm out of that hellhole forever. But in the mean time I'm stuck with it.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Ns1
douche to teh max. stay if he's paying you well, GTFO if he's not

Worth bringing up to HR?

depends what you want to achieve.

That's a good question, one I've been pondering. Ultimately, I'd love to get his ass fired. Thats not going to happen on this alone though. I'm currently stockpiling ish against him.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Why not just let them get stolen a few times?

maybe they'll fix it after...

Cause no one seems to want to steal them :(

The alarm just keeps going BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP till I turn it off. Gives me a headache and drives my customers out of the store. Not good for me being commission based.
 

Colt45

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I mean just disable the alarm if it keeps going off, and then.. oh shit, it's gone. that's too bad. at least i don't have a headache.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Ns1
douche to teh max. stay if he's paying you well, GTFO if he's not

Worth bringing up to HR?

depends what you want to achieve.

That's a good question, one I've been pondering. Ultimately, I'd love to get his ass fired. Thats not going to happen on this alone though. I'm currently stockpiling ish against him.

answered your own question then ;) be sure to save those emails for HR. I'm sure they'd love it.
 

akshatp

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I think you should come up with a "full proof" plan to get a group of people and kick your manager's ass.

Then, when he is conscience again, you should all say in unison "we apologises to you"
 

Skeeedunt

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The only potential error in judgment I see on your part, if I'm reading this correctly, is sending the email to the entire store. It could be perceived as "I'm complaining and making my manager (or whoever is responsible for these alarms) look bad in front of everyone." A more subtle email to the those in charge of said alarms might have been more appropriate. If you had already done that, and this was an attempt to escalate the issue, it may well have been necessary, but understand that you may be making some people look bad and they clearly don't appreciate it ;)

Regardless, your manager sounds like a fool.
 

Cuda1447

Lifer
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Two reasons for emailing the entire store.

1. Its easier to find in the global address book than each managers name.
2. I wanted to let everyone else know I sent out the email, in case they were planning on doing the same.

If he is afraid of being called out in front of the store, maybe he should do his fucking job eh?
 

lokiju

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You questioned your retail manager, he took offense to his duties being questioned and responded in kind.

He's an ass but it's what you'll have to deal with when working retail...
 

Fenixgoon

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are you actually able to fix the problem with the phones or is it something that only X-level personnel can do? if they're that annoying and you *can* fix it, just bite the bullet and fix the phones to save your own sanity, if nothing else
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
are you actually able to fix the problem with the phones or is it something that only X-level personnel can do? if they're that annoying and you *can* fix it, just bite the bullet and fix the phones to save your own sanity, if nothing else

Nothing I really have any control over. The best I can do is place the key in the alarm and leave it.
 

smopoim86

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Originally posted by: Skeeedunt
The only potential error in judgment I see on your part, if I'm reading this correctly, is sending the email to the entire store. It could be perceived as "I'm complaining and making my manager (or whoever is responsible for these alarms) look bad in front of everyone." A more subtle email to the those in charge of said alarms might have been more appropriate. If you had already done that, and this was an attempt to escalate the issue, it may well have been necessary, but understand that you may be making some people look bad and they clearly don't appreciate it ;)

Regardless, your manager sounds like a fool.

you meant a "full"... lol
 

child of wonder

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This is just another example of a low level manager on a power trip.

I find it so amusing that these little peons who have supervisory duties over a handful of people and make, perhaps, $5 more per hour than they do, suddenly think they're the equivalent to Zeus standing on Mount Olympus ready to hurl lightning bolts at puny mortals who dare challenge their sheer awesomeness.

Basically, the management put in a shitty alarm system and isn't willing to take responsibility to correct the issue or admit they made a mistake. Instead, like 12 year olds, they're going to deny responsibility and take a big shit on anyone who dares notice the problem.

My advice, find a different job, tell the manager exactly what you think of him, and tell him you will look down on him in pity as he rots in retail hell while you make double what he does a few years after getting your Bachelor's degree.
 

Evadman

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Being a manager, I can tell you that your manager has issues. Your responses are perfect. My advice: Don't send them in email.

Originally posted by: child of wonder
suddenly [they] think they're the equivalent to Zeus standing on Mount Olympus ready to hurl lightning bolts at puny mortals who dare challenge their sheer awesomeness.

Yea, and?

Hephaestus! More lightning bolts! I require them to smite the challengers of my awesomeness!
 

bctbct

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Managers are expected to be assholes

Employees are expected to be respectful of assholes

You lose
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Being a manager, I can tell you that your manager has issues. Your responses are perfect. My advice: Don't send them in email.


If you were my manager I would... oh wait, you carry a mod stick, my apologies :)