Resistance 3 starts Sony's version of the online pass

[Jeffg010]

Holy fuck is this thread full of fail. How anyone can support this is beyond me. I almost never buy a game brand new. It has been used 99% of the time. Granted most of the games I play are single player off line but lets say a game like CoD had this implemented a game you buy to play on line are you telling me that I have to buy this brand new to play on line is stupid.

I know you guys want GameStop to DIF but they are not the only players. Gamefly, Amazon, my local video store, red box, and all the other places that resell will be hit by this.

I hope this is only a Sony thing and MS stays way from this kind of thing. The choice would be easy when the next systems come out.

Now I’m big on the DLC stuff and yes you can’t resell but from what I seen they do some killer sales on steam and wish MS and Sony did more of that. It so much easier to just look up games I like and buy what looks fun right from my couch. The trade off for convenience is well worth for it for me, save me time, money and gas running around looking for a game.

 

[Beev]

Holy fuck is this thread full of fail. How anyone can support this is beyond me. I almost never buy a game brand new. It has been used 99% of the time. Granted most of the games I play are single player off line but lets say a game like CoD had this implemented a game you buy to play on line are you telling me that I have to buy this brand new to play on line is stupid.

I think you are misinformed. The pass doesn't lock you out if you don't buy the game new, you just have to spend an extra $10, making it silly to NOT buy it new.

I know you guys want GameStop to DIF but they are not the only players. Gamefly, Amazon, my local video store, red box, and all the other places that resell will be hit by this.

Again, this is already happening, so they've already been hit by it.

I hope this is only a Sony thing and MS stays way from this kind of thing. The choice would be easy when the next systems come out.

And again... this isn't a Sony only thing. EA does it on nearly every game they put out, and if the stupid CoD Elite thing is successful I would put money on every future Activision game doing it too.

Now I’m big on the DLC stuff and yes you can’t resell but from what I seen they do some killer sales on steam and wish MS and Sony did more of that. It so much easier to just look up games I like and buy what looks fun right from my couch. The trade off for convenience is well worth for it for me, save me time, money and gas running around looking for a game.

I agree. The entire system needs to go digital. Immediately and irreversibly.

 

[Pheran]

Holy fuck is this thread full of fail. How anyone can support this is beyond me. I almost never buy a game brand new. It has been used 99% of the time. Granted most of the games I play are single player off line but lets say a game like CoD had this implemented a game you buy to play on line are you telling me that I have to buy this brand new to play on line is stupid.

I know you guys want GameStop to DIF but they are not the only players. Gamefly, Amazon, my local video store, red box, and all the other places that resell will be hit by this.

I hope this is only a Sony thing and MS stays way from this kind of thing. The choice would be easy when the next systems come out.

Now I’m big on the DLC stuff and yes you can’t resell but from what I seen they do some killer sales on steam and wish MS and Sony did more of that. It so much easier to just look up games I like and buy what looks fun right from my couch. The trade off for convenience is well worth for it for me, save me time, money and gas running around looking for a game.

Jeff, I'm completely with you on this. I didn't know what this thread was about until I read the Ars article this morning. The bundled-in DLC codes in new games was already kind of annoying, but Sony implementing this online pass across the board is a giant douche move. It's like they've finally realized they can't maintain a decent online infrastructure without charging for it, but instead of implementing something sane like Live's subscription fee they opted for this crap instead.

EDIT: I see that this is only first-party games, not everything, but my comments still stand.

 

[purbeast0]

Holy fuck is this thread full of fail. How anyone can support this is beyond me. I almost never buy a game brand new. It has been used 99% of the time.

i support it because i buy brand new games 99% of the time and never sell them 99% of the time, and if i do sell them it is to people on forums where i get more than gamestop would give me anyways.

and if i DO buy games used, it will be with those "buy 3 for price of 1" deals at gamestop, or it will be from someone on craigslist or forums, which is already like 50% cheaper than buying it from gamestop.

and since you say you never buy brand new games, then the devs don't give a shit about you anyways because you aren't their audience. your opinion is totally moot to them since you aren't a paying customer of theirs.

and no you don't HAVE to buy the game brand new to play online. you can buy the "online pass" from the PSN/XBLM if you want to play. but you say you mainly play single player games anyways, so why the big fuss?

and also, those of you crying about red box or blockbuster or gamefly have obviously never once even attempted to play one of these "online pass" games, but you just want to cry about it anyways. every single online pass game i've played so far has a free 2 or 3 day trial online, which is linked to your PSN/XBL account. so you can still rent it and play it online for a little bit, free of charge.

it's already been stated that "online pass" used games have dropped in price at gamestop by $7. so as a used game buyer, it has dropped the "standard" price of games it seems. if you want online play with a used $48 game, you will then be paying $58 for it.

but those who used to pay $55 for a USED game at gamestop instead of $60 for a brand new game ... i never understood that anyways.

 

[Macamus Prime]

This is a pretty aggressive move towards Gamestop. Especially towards the $55 "used" pricing model. At this point, the gamer might as well buy a new game.

Eitherway, they want your money - and the customer be damned.

Frankly, the gaming market is so saturated, that you might as well wait 6 months to get a new game for approx 50% less. Most games are overhyped peices of shit anyway, so, it is usually not worth it to pay full release price.

None the less, this is one of the 1st steps to all out war on the used games market. Publishers and developers want that sweet extra cash,... and they will get it. Even if it means paying $120 for a new game, that is locked into your console. Yes,... people will STILL buy Call of Duty with this model and price.

 

[American Gunner]

and since you say you never buy brand new games, then the devs don't give a shit about you anyways because you aren't their audience. your opinion is totally moot to them since you aren't a paying customer of theirs.

This. If you refuse to buy games new, you aren't doing the industry any favors.

 

[Beev]

I'm seeing a lot of posts that sound like people think this is new and EA hasn't been doing it for a year or more...

 

[Queasy]

I'm seeing a lot of posts that sound like people think this is new and EA hasn't been doing it for a year or more...

It's notable because this is the first platform holder to do it.

 

[Fingolfin269]

This. If you refuse to buy games new, you aren't doing the industry any favors.

Not even if you buy a game used and then buy some of the slew of DLC that's out there?

 

[mcmilljb]

The simple economics is that supporting online play is an ongoing infrastructure and support cost. Insuring that the people who use the resources at least contribute to the revenue stream which sustains it doesn't seem like a radical idea to me.

What games are being hosted on their servers? Oh that's right, they're not. They provide minimal support at best. Maybe if they provided more online, I could see them bitching. Shit, they should just charge $5 to purchase the pass. That sucks $5 away from the used market and into their hands. More than enough to cover their minimal online costs and make a profit.

 

[MikeyLSU]

The simple economics is that supporting online play is an ongoing infrastructure and support cost. Insuring that the people who use the resources at least contribute to the revenue stream which sustains it doesn't seem like a radical idea to me.

One thing you are missing.

If you are going by economics, lets say 1,000,000 buy a game and play online, costs to support online are minimal since they don't host any games, but lets just give you benifit of the doubt and say they need to support it.

If none of those people sell everyone is happy right? 1 million bought and 1 million playing they can support it online.

Well if half sell it used you will never have any extra people playing the game online than full copies sold.

I will be much less willing to buy games(at full price or even close to it) if I know I will get much less selling the game used. I buy games, play them, then resell them and use that money to buy more games. If you take out the selling part, I just won't buy many games.

 

[Raduque]

What a load of crap.

It'll probably drive down the prices of used games that I buy for the single player mode only.

 

[Sulaco]

People need to stop bringing up Gamestop and their asinine "used" game prices.

Have any of you purchased anything on Amazon before? Buying used from a private seller or small shop on Amazon, depending on the game obviously, can save you a massive amount over MSRP. We're not talking $5 off like Gamestop, but $15-$30, often times, again depending on the game.

Gamestop can shove it for the most part, but I'm worried about the "little guy" resellers (and buyers) on sites like Amazon, or even ATFS/T.

 

[HeXen]

well then that is stupid of you, because this is going to drive the used game price market even lower, so you as a buyer will win.

let's not forget that this also stops pirates from getting online for free, and those are mainly the types of people who figure out hacks for online games as well.

no, if its a game i know i will like, such as Uncharted 3, Resistance 3..etc. I pay the full price brand new for online on release day. Not pay $40 or even $5 without online weeks or months later...cause i know what games i really like and i get more than my moneys worth out of them.

For instance, i'm glad i got the collectors edition of Oblivion on release day and not waited for it to drop, loved it, played it forever. Used games are those that i don't really care much about and can wait if cheap enough....but if no online, no thanks, i wont care enough to bother playing them even if their only $5

 

[Raduque]

People need to stop bringing up Gamestop and their asinine "used" game prices.

Have any of you purchased anything on Amazon before?

I bought WET yesterday, and it was $15 for a used copy. Amazon has it for $23, plus I have to wait for it to get shipped.

I bought Uncharted 2: Among Thieves and Red Dead Redemption a couple months ago for $40, free with trade-in credits (and still had some left over).

 

[Sulaco]

I bought WET yesterday, and it was $15 for a used copy. Amazon has it for $23, plus I have to wait for it to get shipped.

I bought Uncharted 2: Among Thieves and Red Dead Redemption a couple months ago for $40, free with trade-in credits (and still had some left over).

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm not talking about Amazon.com the retailer themselves, I'm talking about the Amazon marketplace. Scroll down the page, and you'll see that you can actually buy WET for $18.98 new from a seller with a 99% positive rating as well. Those are the kinds of places I was talking about.


Also, I'd be curious to hear what you traded in and what the full credit given was. Unless it's a super in-demand, hyped game, Gamestop trade-in credit is usually a joke. Much more profitable to just sell online.

 

[gorcorps]

Worked there for four years.

The employees only do what they have to, and I don't think I would ever get angry at one for it. Corporate, though, is worse than any other corporation I've ever worked for. They treat their employees like total shit and use nothing but fear tactics to motivate them. It's a shitty, shit place to work and they deserve to fail as a whole. One of their pushes recently-ish was for DLC, since that was money they never saw. Any time someone brought up a DLC card I let them know how they could alternatively buy it so that Gamestop didn't get any money from it

Fuck you, Gamestop.

You admit the employees there do the bare minimum if that, and then rag on corporate for doing what they have to to motivate? Fuck man... you sound just like my little brother. He says he hates his teachers just because they make him do shit. Real classy. Knowing that you went out of your way to try and fuck your employer I can't imagine hiring a insubordinate tool like yourself. God have mercy on whoever is currently giving you money.

 

[Beev]

Edit: Nevermind. It's not worth it, and my original post was the wrong way to handle it.

 

[Anubis]

People need to stop bringing up Gamestop and their asinine "used" game prices.

Have any of you purchased anything on Amazon before? Buying used from a private seller or small shop on Amazon, depending on the game obviously, can save you a massive amount over MSRP. We're not talking $5 off like Gamestop, but $15-$30, often times, again depending on the game.

Gamestop can shove it for the most part, but I'm worried about the "little guy" resellers (and buyers) on sites like Amazon, or even ATFS/T.

last time i purchased used games from GS they were like 30$. so 1/2 price. not so bad IMO

 

[Beev]

Every once in a while they have great sales. I picked up one of the Lego games brand new for $15 during one last year, and the B2G1 sales are usually pretty decent, too, depending on stock. Also, when they're doing the bonus 50% to trade in values they usually give higher, or close to it, values for games than almost anywhere else.

 

[gorcorps]

last time i purchased used games from GS they were like 30$. so 1/2 price. not so bad IMO

True, and they also have some good trade in deals every once in a while. Like 50% extra towards a certain preorder. If I'm getting the game anyway then it can be a good deal as it's close to what I'd get selling privately. Got a nice trade in for LA Noire that paid for a lot of Infamous 2.

 

[Beev]

They actually had such a good deal on trade ins one time shortly after Mass Effect 2 came out that you could buy it used then trade it in for a profit if you had a Powerup card. I think they curbed that pretty quickly... though it shows how good the deals can be sometimes.

 

[Dravic]

This. If you refuse to buy games new, you aren't doing the industry any favors.

If new games were not $60 there would much less of a MASSIVE market for used games.

They are completely blinded to the self mutilation they are about to inflict.

A lot of people buy new games @ $60 because they can sell it for ~$30, therefore only costing them $30 a game. If they cant sell the game for $30, they wont buy the game for $60.

I only buy 2-3 console games a year new because they are so expensive, and I can afford it.
I too wait for the buy 2 get 1 free type sales so i get to fill out my library of games i didn't get to play previously.

Just don't be shocked if new games sales drop since there will be less of a market to sell those games to. Maybe they'll get the bright idea of fixing that with $70 or $80 games next gen. and I thought the RIAA and MPAA were the only ones to have a complete lack of understanding of THEIR own market dynamics.

 

[purbeast0]

If new games were not $60 there would much less of a MASSIVE market for used games.

They are completely blinded to the self mutilation they are about to inflict.

A lot of people buy new games @ $60 because they can sell it for ~$30, therefore only costing them $30 a game. If they cant sell the game for $30, they wont buy the game for $60.

I only buy 2-3 console games a year new because they are so expensive, and I can afford it.
I too wait for the buy 2 get 1 free type sales so i get to fill out my library of games i didn't get to play previously.

Just don't be shocked if new games sales drop since there will be less of a market to sell those games to. Maybe they'll get the bright idea of fixing that with $70 or $80 games next gen. and I thought the RIAA and MPAA were the only ones to have a complete lack of understanding of THEIR own market dynamics.

$60 is expensive?

the video game in general, over it's entire lifetime, has probably increased the LEAST than any other major markets like that. i paid $70 for some SNES gna N64 games. and that was like 15 years ago, and I'm still paying $60 for games that cost 100x more to make than the games back then did.

if we went solely on the price of inflation from the standard benchmark that games started out at (about $50), we would be higher than $60 now. and that is not even taking into consideration how much more $$ it costs to create a video game now a days.

hell i remember when Mortal Kombat came out, it was created by 4 people. 4 people.

these new games have hundreds of people working on them, and take MUCH longer to create than they used to.

i just don't understand the people who complain about $60 price tags when they get countless hours out of the games. even single player games that are like 10-12 hours that are AAA titles that have movie like production ... that is like $6/hr, and that's if you never play it again.

hell here is a screen shot i took for a contest I had for my SSF4 app.

http://i55.tinypic.com/bfnuaw.jpg

that is for the $40 SSF4 i bought and that was like a week after the $15 DLC for the AE came out. as much time as i've put into that game i'd gladly pay for any updates.

sorry, got a little off tangent.

EDIT:

and you are TOTALLY 100% in the minority if you think $60 is expensive, because the video game industry is pretty much at it's peak currently.

 

[Rage187]

I've been coughing up $50 per game for 30+ years.Pfft, my Donkey Kong cart for the Intellvision was $50.

but, $60 is too damn much.