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Resident partisan extremists, I need your explanation for this

Smith is a strong politician, period.

Of course, it helps when he aligns himself with Democrats in key Senate votes.

Smith was one of only two Republican to vote for a resolution aimed at withdrawing most American combat troops from Iraq in 2008, the other being Chuck Hagel. The vote was 50 for to 48 against.
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Smith is one of several Republican Senators for whom political concerns have clashed with party loyalty, on the subject of the war in Iraq.

In December 2006, Gordon Smith spoke out against the Iraq war for the first time, after having voted in support of it four years prior. Smith said that to continue the current policy in Iraq "may even be criminal".
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In 2006, he voted to pass another controversial bill, this time crossing party lines to vote for the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act. The measure, which would have expanded federal funding of stem cell research to cell lines extracted from embyros discarded during fertility treatment, became the first bill to be vetoed by President George W. Bush. Smith is one of nineteen Senate Republicans who voted for the measure.
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He's a good man, more moderate than his peers.
 
Is there really a lot of "extremism" here? If Gordan Smith agrees with some Democrats on some issues, and works with them in the Congress, and they decide to support him because their own party doesn't field a strong enough candidate to take him on, is that really so surprising?

Do you think nothing like this has happened before?
 
I don't know his history, but how long has he held office? Quite often a state wants a powerful politician in position more than they want partisan leanings.
 
Of course I know this happened before. And I know why. Smith has been in office since 1996, and has largely been seen as a moderate (despite being pro-life and a christian fundie Mormon).
However, the Senate is more or less tied for partisan seats right now, Smith's seat has been noted as being especially vulnerable for the upcoming 2008 election, and yet highly prominent Dems are crossing the aisle to support him.
I am asking the partisan extremists, the dmcowen674's, conjur's, steeplerot's, craig1234, etc. (you all who they are) who are always throwing partisan labels and insults about to explain why this is. I want to hear their mumbling apologist nonsense. C'mon... Democrats for Smith took out a FULL PAGE ad in today's Oregonian. What gives?
 
There are plenty of partisan tools here. I have never seen a bigger collection of sheep who blindly defend their side(regardless of what party) in one place.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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Sorry too little, too late.

Exception rather than the rule does not make it all better after what Republicans have done to this Country the last seven years.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Vic
Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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Sorry too little, too late.

Exception rather than the rule does not make it all better after what Republicans have done to this Country the last seven years.
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LMAO!!! C'mon, Dave, don't dodge the question now. Why are Dems crossing the aisle to keep a Pub in the Senate? How you can you explain this given your typical sheep-like partisan extremism?

BTW, Smith is the only Republican I have ever voted for for federal office, and that was just once in '96. What can I say, I didn't like his opponent. Normally, I vote Democrat.

Have you tried pectin in your coffee yet, Dave? Delicious. 😉
 
It's just like the Michael Steele Democrats. Oregon is a relatively Democratic state. This is an election for Smith. He wants to come off as more bipartisan even though he hasn't been the last 5 years. The DSCC released a poll showing DeFazio ahead of Smith. You can see Smith becoming increasingly anti Iraq War because that is where Oregon is.

It's purely politics. Many Democrats like Landrieu, Carnahan, Cleland, Dachle, Johnson, etc worked with the administration on many issues previously. Bush and Rove still went after them because they are Democrats and would vote to organize with Democrats. It's not personal, it's politics. One of the most important votes a Senator will cast is the first one to organize the Senate and determine control. That is why you see Collins being challenged and that is why Chafee is no longer in the Senate.


Edit: I now see what you are trying to get at. The website is about three Democrats. Big deal. Smith will need Democrats to vote for him if he wants to win. That is why he is doing this. It's all politics.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Vic
Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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Sorry too little, too late.

Exception rather than the rule does not make it all better after what Republicans have done to this Country the last seven years.
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Aawwww no more faith in your ilk? Your heroes? Your barons? Poor thing.
 
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'll trade you our senators for yours 🙂
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Hell no! As far as politicians go, I actually like Wyden and Smith. You can keep your rich militant California-style populists who bought and bribed their way into office.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'll trade you our senators for yours 🙂
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Hell no! As far as politicians go, I actually like Wyden and Smith. You can keep your rich militant California-style populists who bought and bribed their way into office.
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But I keep voting against them and they keep winning 🙁

and our gas taxes keep going up...and our sin taxes keep going up....and now they're thinking of adopting California's emissions laws 🙁
 
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'll trade you our senators for yours 🙂
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Hell no! As far as politicians go, I actually like Wyden and Smith. You can keep your rich militant California-style populists who bought and bribed their way into office.
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But I keep voting against them and they keep winning 🙁

and our gas taxes keep going up...and our sin taxes keep going up....and now they're thinking of adopting California's emissions laws 🙁
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Tijuana FTW!
 
Originally posted by: Vic
http://www.democratsforsmith.com/

Prominent Democrats are backing Republican Senator Gordon Smith's re-election campaign. Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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There are "some" Senate Republicans I admire.
Chuck Hagel, John Warner, Olympia Snowe, Gordon Smith, Susan Collins, Arlen Specter, George Voinovich, and Richard Lugar.
Yes, in that order.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'll trade you our senators for yours 🙂
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Hell no! As far as politicians go, I actually like Wyden and Smith. You can keep your rich militant California-style populists who bought and bribed their way into office.
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How do you feel about your Dem. Governor?
Didn't he barely hold on to office?
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Vic
Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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Sorry too little, too late.

Exception rather than the rule does not make it all better after what Republicans have done to this Country the last seven years.
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LMAO!!! C'mon, Dave, don't dodge the question now. Why are Dems crossing the aisle to keep a Pub in the Senate? How you can you explain this given your typical sheep-like partisan extremism?

BTW, Smith is the only Republican I have ever voted for for federal office, and that was just once in '96. What can I say, I didn't like his opponent. Normally, I vote Democrat.

Have you tried pectin in your coffee yet, Dave? Delicious. 😉
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I don't know anything about the state of politics in your particular state but it is sounding a lot like if you can't beat em join em.

He seems to be loaded with money and untouchable, you appear to be getting your Republican version of Massachusetts Ted Kennedy.

Are you proud of that???
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

I don't know anything about the state of politics in your particular state but it is sounding a lot like if you can't beat em join em.

He seems to be loaded with money and untouchable, you appear to be getting your Republican version of Massachusetts Ted Kennedy.

Are you proud of that???
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Smith's an alcoholic, who's left someone to die in their car after driving off a bridge?
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Of course I know this happened before. And I know why. Smith has been in office since 1996, and has largely been seen as a moderate (despite being pro-life and a christian fundie Mormon).
However, the Senate is more or less tied for partisan seats right now, Smith's seat has been noted as being especially vulnerable for the upcoming 2008 election, and yet highly prominent Dems are crossing the aisle to support him.
I am asking the partisan extremists, the dmcowen674's, conjur's, steeplerot's, craig1234, etc. (you all who they are) who are always throwing partisan labels and insults about to explain why this is. I want to hear their mumbling apologist nonsense. C'mon... Democrats for Smith took out a FULL PAGE ad in today's Oregonian. What gives?
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Good luck with that :laugh:
 
He's a Mormon...and as such, unelectable in the national election. FAR too many still see Mormons as cultists, (and look closely for their horns) to ever sell one across the country.
 
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'll trade you our senators for yours 🙂
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Hell no! As far as politicians go, I actually like Wyden and Smith. You can keep your rich militant California-style populists who bought and bribed their way into office.
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How do you feel about your Dem. Governor?
Didn't he barely hold on to office?
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It was a closer race than an election. I'm not fond of Kulongoski, and voted for a 3rd party candidate each time. He's kind of quiet backroom deal slimy IMO, especially with the SEIU, the biggest government employee union in the state. The irony there is that I really liked his predecessor that he worked for, John Kitzhaber. IMO look for Kitz (and not DeFazio) to pick up the gauntlet and run against Smith in '08.
 
Shame mods don't ban for troll posts that call members out anymore, especially calling them "Resident partisan extremists" in the title.

Anyhow, you are the one that always hides behind the fact that you vote democratic party when called out for being a libertarian, so answer your own question and quit the pathetic attention seeking.

I swear, if they ever made midol for guys you would be the posterboy.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
http://www.democratsforsmith.com/

Prominent Democrats are backing Republican Senator Gordon Smith's re-election campaign. Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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Who do you consider to be a "Resident partisan extremists"? People with whom you disagree?
 
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: Vic
http://www.democratsforsmith.com/

Prominent Democrats are backing Republican Senator Gordon Smith's re-election campaign. Given all the partisan bickering and extremism displayed here on ATPN, I feel that an explanation for this is required.
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Who do you consider to be a "Resident partisan extremists"? People with whom you disagree?
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How do you not read one of the first posts and expect to not look like a fool?

Originally posted by: Vic
Of course I know this happened before. And I know why. Smith has been in office since 1996, and has largely been seen as a moderate (despite being pro-life and a christian fundie Mormon).
However, the Senate is more or less tied for partisan seats right now, Smith's seat has been noted as being especially vulnerable for the upcoming 2008 election, and yet highly prominent Dems are crossing the aisle to support him.
I am asking the partisan extremists, the dmcowen674's, conjur's, steeplerot's, craig1234, etc. (you all who they are) who are always throwing partisan labels and insults about to explain why this is. I want to hear their mumbling apologist nonsense. C'mon... Democrats for Smith took out a FULL PAGE ad in today's Oregonian. What gives?
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