Republicans Twittering away credibility

[EXman]

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: CLite
Guys lets be honest here. Obama is being shit on 10 weeks into office, Bush took about 3-4 years to get the hate train rolling. He primarily pulled this off with the invasion of Iraq.

Now, I never supported the full on hate of Bush in the later years of his presidency but get realistic guys. What republicans are doing now agaisnt Obama is FAR worse than what was done to Bush in the beginning of his presidency. There is no comparison if you are being a non-biased observer.

Because he is trying to redefine America. Apollogize and capitulate to the world for being the worlds only superpower? BHO polarizes Americans like no other president. What do you expect coming from the most liberal Senator? Also Conservatives are just plain frustrated by the lack of leadership from true conservatives in the republican party. It all adds up to what see now.

I'm fairly sure Lincoln polarized Americans more than Obama is currently doing, I think history will back me up here.

I'm curious what Obama has capitulated so far, regarding the apologies I really haven't kept track of what he exactly apologized for but if it was regarding the financial crisis I don't really fault him for that. Also the most liberal senator? I have my doubts about that I'd imagine Reid/Nancy would have him beat but if you link proof I'll apologize.

The one part of your post I could agree with is the frustration in the Republican party.

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Wow I thought that was pretty common knowledge.

G20 members are calling him weak and he kept apollogizing on his tour of europe. Hell North Korea launching of its rocket then him wavering in front of the whole world. What are more sanctions going to do to NK? French President Sarkozy calls him weak and much more. Text Bowing before the Saudi King. ohh that was a bad move as well.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: EXman

G20 members are calling him weak and he kept apollogizing on his tour of europe. Hell North Korea launching of its rocket then him wavering in front of the whole world. What are more sanctions going to do to NK? French President Sarkozy calls him weak and much more. Text Bowing before the Saudi King. ohh that was a bad move as well.

Oh yeah... I remember all that. It happened in the bizarro world of right wing talk radio. I just read your link. WTF ? A right wing rag posts a few comments by an unnamed "leak" in Sarkozy's camp and you take it as a fact ? LOL - you really need to get your news from a credible source, or Even Fox , they wouldnt even go that low. You do realize that an unnamed unsubstantiated leak is not news right, in most cases is totally fabricated.

In THIS world the first meet and greet on the world stage went well. Thanks for helping to prove the point of this topic though (which by the way, you are way off)

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: EXman

G20 members are calling him weak and he kept apollogizing on his tour of europe. Hell North Korea launching of its rocket then him wavering in front of the whole world. What are more sanctions going to do to NK? French President Sarkozy calls him weak and much more. Text Bowing before the Saudi King. ohh that was a bad move as well.

Oh yeah... I remember all that. It happened in the bizarro world of right wing talk radio. I just read your link. WTF ? A right wing rag posts a few comments by an unnamed "leak" in Sarkozy's camp and you take it as a fact ? LOL - you really need to get your news from a credible source, or Even Fox , they wouldnt even go that low. You do realize that an unnamed unsubstantiated leak is not news right, in most cases is totally fabricated.

In THIS world the first meet and greet on the world stage went well. Thanks for helping to prove the point of this topic though (which by the way, you are way off)

http://thepage.time.com/2009/0...ced-and-badly-briefed/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ope/article6106250.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-dim-spa_n_188013.html

hardly right wing bastions... :beer: <--kool aid not beer

 

[trooper11]

as a long time conservative republican, I can say that I have been sorely dissappointed in our represenatatives for quite some time.

I agree that the only way we can get back to the values and ideas that define us, is for a new generation of representatives to come forward. Luckily, that has started, seeing several young republican governers start to take up the mantle and cut the bull. Having that leader is what will bring the party together again.

The Repulican leaders have gone down the road of appeasement, trying to be everything for everyone, trying to lean left and right at times. all that results in is making our positions seem hypcrytical and baseless, failing to please anyone. The Democrat party isnt much different then it has been for several decades, they stick to thier core principals. Im just looking forward to the day that Republican leaders wake up and do the same.

All the rest about bloggers, talk show hosts, radio personalities, etc destroying credibility is not really important. All i can about are the leaders that will step forward for us and really define a stark contrast (where there are many, many valid arguments that can be made against Democrat policies). The Democrats have a very vocal group of bloggers, talk show hosts, etc that were screaming as loudly or louder during the last 4 years and yet the party itself survived, so I doubt this will have much of an affect on the Republican party itself. Baseless attacks go on with both sides of the 'kook fringe', just like there are valid arguments on both sides as well.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Your point is valid but

The republicans are crapping all over anything and everything Obama does - picking it apart with a fine-tooth comb, exaggerating the negative and ignoring the positive.

This is exactly and I mean 100% PRECISELY what democrats did with Bush in office. It becomes impossible to take either demonizing side seriously.

Yea 100% PRECISELY the same, one side crapping about failure and the other crapping over success.:brokenheart: OH the hoit, the hoit!

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: EXman

G20 members are calling him weak and he kept apollogizing on his tour of europe. Hell North Korea launching of its rocket then him wavering in front of the whole world. What are more sanctions going to do to NK? French President Sarkozy calls him weak and much more. Text Bowing before the Saudi King. ohh that was a bad move as well.

Oh yeah... I remember all that. It happened in the bizarro world of right wing talk radio. I just read your link. WTF ? A right wing rag posts a few comments by an unnamed "leak" in Sarkozy's camp and you take it as a fact ? LOL - you really need to get your news from a credible source, or Even Fox , they wouldnt even go that low. You do realize that an unnamed unsubstantiated leak is not news right, in most cases is totally fabricated.

In THIS world the first meet and greet on the world stage went well. Thanks for helping to prove the point of this topic though (which by the way, you are way off)

http://thepage.time.com/2009/0...ced-and-badly-briefed/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ope/article6106250.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-dim-spa_n_188013.html

hardly right wing bastions... :beer: <--kool aid not beer

OK, now there are more links out and it looks like Sarkozy did in fact say all that... So what? HE is kind of a nutjob himself and not taken seriously on the world stage.

This doestn change - In THIS world the first meet and greet on the world stage went well. Thanks for helping to prove the point of this topic.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: EXman

G20 members are calling him weak and he kept apollogizing on his tour of europe. Hell North Korea launching of its rocket then him wavering in front of the whole world. What are more sanctions going to do to NK? French President Sarkozy calls him weak and much more. Text Bowing before the Saudi King. ohh that was a bad move as well.

Oh yeah... I remember all that. It happened in the bizarro world of right wing talk radio. I just read your link. WTF ? A right wing rag posts a few comments by an unnamed "leak" in Sarkozy's camp and you take it as a fact ? LOL - you really need to get your news from a credible source, or Even Fox , they wouldnt even go that low. You do realize that an unnamed unsubstantiated leak is not news right, in most cases is totally fabricated.

In THIS world the first meet and greet on the world stage went well. Thanks for helping to prove the point of this topic though (which by the way, you are way off)

http://thepage.time.com/2009/0...ced-and-badly-briefed/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ope/article6106250.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-dim-spa_n_188013.html

hardly right wing bastions... :beer: <--kool aid not beer

OK, now there are more links out and it looks like Sarkozy did in fact say all that... So what? HE is kind of a nutjob himself and not taken seriously on the world stage.

This doestn change - In THIS world the first meet and greet on the world stage went well. Thanks for helping to prove the point of this topic.

I don't know much about Sarkozy as a politician. I don't particularly follow French politics. But who cares if he called Obama weak? (and technically he never did say he was weak, but inexperienced) Look at what he said about everyone. The man attacked the heads of state of half the biggest world powers. He basically sounds to me like the type of man that is the reason Americans have this stereotype of the arrogant, snooty Frenchman.

And as far as attacks on Bush go, his loudest detractors weren't half as loud as the current Republican group is against Obama until Bush made years and years of fuck ups 50 times worse than anything Obama might have done less than perfect so far. Democrats wanted Bush to do things correctly and not fuck everything up. Republicans want Obama to fail and they don't care if that means people will suffer they'd be happy to help Obama fail and walk on the bodies if it meant they could see a Democrat president fail.
Really I've noticed that it comes down to this.

Liberal = Ok to good human beings
Conservative = Selfish and antagonist to embodiment of pure evil human beings

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I feel the same about the reps on this forum... Every day there are several new posts about something or other that Obama is doing with the exact same MO a the reps in congress... Crapping all over anything and everything Obama does - picking it apart with a fine-tooth comb, exaggerating the negative and ignoring the positive.

How is it they expect anyone, other than other reps to take them seriously? If all you do is spout out negative, people tend to stop listening and rule out your opinion alltogether.

Democrats do the same thing, continuing on their non-stop crapping on Republicans, the Bush Administration, and conservatives in the media on a daily basis. It's no different. I mean, it is even coming directly from the White House these days.

And a bigger question is, since when does Newt Gingrich, who has been out of office for over 10 years now, represent all Republicans? He is one man who is entitled to his opinion.


I mean, if you take the opinions of current speaker Nancy Pelosi and say that is representative of all Democrats, what's the difference?

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ok well forget the sean hannities of the world. IMO they dont really represent republican or conversative values anyways. In fact they dont realize it but this whole deal with Obama is discreditng them faster than anything else could.

I think one of the reasons you have seen a smack down of republicans the last two election cycles is the fact many repubs are sick of where the party went the last 10 years. McCain wasnt an inspiring pick and Palin was a sideshow. I dont know many conservatives who were thrilled with that situation. Though I voted for them it was only because I didnt want what we have today. An administration + congress tied at the hip passing 800 billion spending bills without blinking an eye and calling people who dont like it hypocrites or unamerican. In other words the same shit we saw under Bush except bigger.

Anyways I cringe everytime I hear republican talking head Sean Hannity say Obama is a socialist or heading us down the road to socialism. While the second part might have some merit by nationalizing industry I dont believe it to be a long term deal and it still sounds weak and baseless.

Actually most of the people that identify themselves as Republicans hardly represent what the party used to stand for. The party has been hijacked by fundies, neocons, racists, and bigots. It is in serious need of reform if they ever plan on taking back the white house.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ok well forget the sean hannities of the world. IMO they dont really represent republican or conversative values anyways. In fact they dont realize it but this whole deal with Obama is discreditng them faster than anything else could.

I think one of the reasons you have seen a smack down of republicans the last two election cycles is the fact many repubs are sick of where the party went the last 10 years. McCain wasnt an inspiring pick and Palin was a sideshow. I dont know many conservatives who were thrilled with that situation. Though I voted for them it was only because I didnt want what we have today. An administration + congress tied at the hip passing 800 billion spending bills without blinking an eye and calling people who dont like it hypocrites or unamerican. In other words the same shit we saw under Bush except bigger.

Anyways I cringe everytime I hear republican talking head Sean Hannity say Obama is a socialist or heading us down the road to socialism. While the second part might have some merit by nationalizing industry I dont believe it to be a long term deal and it still sounds weak and baseless.

Actually most of the people that identify themselves as Republicans hardly represent what the party used to stand for. The party has been hijacked by fundies, neocons, racists, and bigots. It is in serious need of reform if they ever plan on taking back the white house.

Typical partisan hack remark. Biased, assumptions floated by talking point BS, judgemental, and out of date. Although the teaparties do show that Conservatives are sick of the GOP on a large scale. Most were not started by GOP and none were by Neocons. They were an Anti-establishment disenfranchised Conservatives that exercised thier freedom of speech. that is for a different thread alltogether though.

GOP has been hijacked by Neocons yes but, I think you contradict yourself about the Fundies though. They have been pushed out more and more. Neocons and Fundies are usually diametrically opposed to one another.


It would be fair to look at the Dems and say ditto except they have always had Racist and Bigots in their power ranks. And please if you want to prove me wrong go get a history book and see who wrote the jim crow laws and still has a former member of the KKK representing them.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Gotta say I'm stuck between a rock and hard place. I hate the democrats, but my spite for what the Republicans and Bush did (or, by allowing to continue to exist, passively supported) is greater. I think I will be voting Libertarian, or whichever party which is truly Conservative.

Yeah, problem is that Libertarians or any other 3rd party suffer from the same faults as the Dems and Reps do, just to a much smaller degree funding-wise. Same newsletter propaganda, and unfortunately a much worse nutter element to them (that goes for all 3rd parties it seems). Guys like Barr or Nader or Paul are all in the same boat, tolerated but not taken seriously and almost laughed at. Some of them have good ideas (mostly Barr and Paul), but the nutter is still strong with them and that's not an accident either; they pander to their base like any politician. It's the reason a guy like Paul can keep his seat, he's great at keeping his base by "sort of" denying evolution (enough to give the book burning backwoodsmen a reason to vote for him) or even just going on basic radio shows like Alex Jones. The later is conspiracy theory stuff, but that's his base in the Texas 14th district. Every politician panders, every single one. Some believe what they actually spout.