Republicans: The Only Climate-Science-Denying Party In The World

[Doc Savage Fan]

You really have to ask?

Yes...is that a problem for you?

 

[sandorski]

I thank the environmental movement for that, the OLD school environmental movement that cared PASSIONATELY about improving the lot of EXISTING humans. They accomplished a tremendous amount and we as Americans are indebted to them.

The NEW school environmental movement doesn't give a rats ass about EXISTING humans and wants to impose suffering on us for the nebulous benefit of FUTURE humans. I believe is immoral to support harm to humans today for NO benefit for humans today and I could never support it.

That's the same thing the old critics of the old Environmentalists were saying.

 

[sandorski]

Yes...is that a problem for you?

Not for me. You ever wonder why California is considered to be a bastion of Liberalism and derided for it by Conservatives? Back when they were legislating against smog and other pollutants, the rest of the nation considered them to be Environmentalist Kooks bent on destroying Capitalism. Some Conservatives even attempted to pass legislation to prevent California from even attempting to do such things.

Now, apparently, Conservatives breath in their clean air and look at their clean rivers and think they accomplished that all on their own. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[bshole]

That's the same thing the old critics of the old Environmentalists were saying.

Not from what I remember. I remember that they bitched and moaned that it was an assualt on capitalism or arguments of that sort. The difference back then was the people as whole recognized that we were living in a cesspool and did not like it. IT AFFECTED US DIRECTLY. The benefits of the new laws were enjoyed in just a few years by everybody. It improved the lot of EXISTING humans and thus was sustainable.

The global warmists admit themselves that their regulations will impose hardships on EXISTING humans. They also admit that no supposed benefits will be enjoyed by EXISTING humans. Given that, how is it morally defensible to impoverish more humans, to cause more suffering and starvation today for no benefit to humans today? Using that same logic, we could wipe out the populations of 3rd world nations to prevent starvartion in the future.

 

[SlickSnake]

That's the same thing the old critics of the old Environmentalists were saying.

Well, I think the original Native Americans/Indians were the best environmentalists on this continent by far. And they had a sincere reverence and respect for the land that we could all learn a lot from. They migrated around throughout the seasons to keep from depleting local resources, like game animals and plants.

I get so tired of picking up someone elses trash all the time, and sometimes even go out of my way to do it, like helping to clean up abandoned properties and empty lots that are eyesores. I will often walk up and down my street just picking up all the lost trash on the streets and in the drainage culverts. Why? Just because it seems like nobody else is doing it, that's why.

 

[sandorski]

Not from what I remember. I remember that they bitched and moaned that it was an assualt on capitalism or arguments of that sort. The difference back then was the people as whole recognized that we were living in a cesspool and did not like it. IT AFFECTED US DIRECTLY. The benefits of the new laws were enjoyed in just a few years by everybody. It improved the lot of EXISTING humans and thus was sustainable.

The global warmists admit themselves that their regulations will impose hardships on EXISTING humans. They also admit that no supposed benefits will be enjoyed by EXISTING humans. Given that, how is it morally defensible to impoverish more humans, to cause more suffering and starvation today for no benefit to humans today? Using that same logic, we could wipe out the populations of 3rd world nations to prevent starvartion in the future.

Ahh, so you just want to shirk your Responsibility off to future Generations. Sounds familiar.

 

[MrPickins]

To be quite honest, if it doesn't affect me during my lifetime, why should I care? The world ends for me on my death and yours will on your death.

Tell that to your children...

 

[sandorski]

Well, I think the original Native Americans/Indians were the best environmentalists on this continent by far. And they had a sincere reverence and respect for the land that we could all learn a lot from. They migrated around throughout the seasons to keep from depleting local resources, like game animals and plants.

I get so tired of picking up someone elses trash all the time, and sometimes even go out of my way to do it, like helping to clean up abandoned properties that are eyesores. I will often walk up and down my street just picking up all the lost trash on the streets and in the drainage culverts.

Technically that is true. However, I think that's mostly because they had just not advanced far enough Technologically to be a problem. Impossible to say for sure though, but their working within Nature was more out of necessity than it was by choice.

 

[soulcougher73]

Let's say there was a sizable political movement dedicated to the idea of social change and spending money to mitigate the effects of "The coming Rapture". Proponents pointed to large majorities of religious scholars (it's a consensus!) who agreed the Rapture was real and the effects would be catastrophic. Furthermore, the proponents made the argument that "what's the harm in spending money on mitigating the rapture, it will make the planet a better place regardless if we do so."

Given the above, would you be OK with the other side characterizing you as someone "whose agenda seems to be to pillage and destroy God's world now, spreading sin at the expense of 99% of the population" and whatnot?

Do they have facts? evidence? didnt think so.

 

[soulcougher73]

To be quite honest, if it doesn't affect me during my lifetime, why should I care? The world ends for me on my death and yours will on your death. The environment here in Wisconsin has gotten nothing but better in my lifetime. I remember the bad old days of air you could cut with a knife and filthy waterways. If there is a pollution occurring it is completely unobservable and causes no health problems for humans.

Humanity will end some time after your death. That is incontrovertible fact. Eventually there will be no trace or evidence that earth ever existed. Why would you care if it happens 1 year, 100 years, 1 million years or 1 billion years after you die? It is going to happen and there isn't a thing man can do to prevent it. Enjoy your life today, don't waste it worrying about shit that may or may not happen after you are worm food.

Ah, life through the eyes of a retard. Mus be rosie.

 

[werepossum]

The whole Republican party agenda seems to be to pillage and destroy the environment now, make a huge profit at the expense of 99% of the population, then die happy and rich with their wealthy families. And by all means, completely screw the distant future generations on Earth, because the rich won't still be there to suffer under the environmental conditions that they wrought, anyhow. Because the rich think they are going to flee this planet they destroyed just because they are rich, so don't forget that part.

Yeah, the Democrat plan to transfer billions to third world nations is soooo much better. Unless people in those third world nations actually start spending that money on better housing and air conditioning and vehicles and Chinese-made consumer goods. Nah, that'll never happen.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh, you mean the one which is 4-5x more expensive than regular photovoltaics and lacks proper storage technology?

You mean the molten salt storage, which is the entire point of the video?

 

[Sonikku]

It ain't real and if it were, just means we can have a pretty cool water world type situation with epic sea battles and pirate eye patches and stuff.

 

[KMFJD]

Well, I think the original Native Americans/Indians were the best environmentalists on this continent by far. And they had a sincere reverence and respect for the land that we could all learn a lot from. They migrated around throughout the seasons to keep from depleting local resources, like game animals and plants.

lol

 

[michal1980]

another politican proven wrong on climate change.

But why not continue selling fear

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/05/226015.htm

FOREIGN MINISTER FABIUS: (In French.) We have 500 days to avoid the climate chaos. (In French.)

Said may 13 2014. ~500 days ago.

Climate Chaos 9/29/2015 - not found.

 

[glenn1]

You mean the molten salt storage, which is the entire point of the video?

Either you haven't been keeping up with the news or you've bought into the vaporware hype because you desperately want it to be true.


http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/solar/concentrating-solar/are-solar-power-towers-doomed-in-california.html

 

[IGBT]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...nglia-emails-the-most-contentious-quotes.html

From: Phil Jones. To: Many. Nov 16, 1999
"I've just completed Mike's Nature [the science journal] trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie, from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Critics cite this as evidence that data was manipulated to mask the fact that global temperatures are falling.


From Phil Jones To: Michael Mann (Pennsylvania State University). July 8, 2004
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"


From Phil Jones. To: Michael Mann. Date: May 29, 2008
"Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise."

Climate change sceptics tried to use Freedom of Information laws to obtain raw climate data submitted to an IPCC report known as AR4. The scientists did not want their email exchanges about the data to be made public.

 

[bshole]

Ahh, so you just want to shirk your Responsibility off to future Generations. Sounds familiar.

Hey I won't be the one really suffering. Here in Wisconsin, the poorest people, on welfare with no disposable income are looking at an additional $100 or more/month they will need to fork out to keep the heat on during the winter due to the new EPA regs on carbon. Wisconsin is suing to stop this catastrophe. Of course the new greens don't really give a fuck about the poor otherwise why would they support such a regressive attack on our most vunerable? FUCK THEM! Forcing America's destitute to choose between paying the rent or the heat.... you would think we were back in the early 19th century.

In summary, I am not willing to make the most miserable suffer even more today because of the precautionary principle. My own precautionary principle is to lessen human suffering right here and right now. How anybody can be feel good about increasing it is beyond me.

 

[glenn1]

Hey I won't be the one really suffering. Here in Wisconsin, the poorest people, on welfare with no disposable income are looking at an additional $100 or more/month they will need to fork out to keep the heat on during the winter due to the new EPA regs on carbon. Wisconsin is suing to stop this catastrophe. Of course the new greens don't really give a fuck about the poor otherwise why would they support such a regressive attack on our most vunerable? FUCK THEM! Forcing America's destitute to choose between paying the rent or the heat.... you would think we were back in the early 19th century.

In summary, I am not willing to make the most miserable suffer even more today because of the precautionary principle. My own precautionary principle is to lessen human suffering right here and right now. How anybody can be feel good about increasing it is beyond me.

That's why I look forward to the prole riot the left keeps predicting. They can burn progressives for heat during those cold winter months caused by the policies they favored.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Fear mongering at it's best eh???

 

[sandorski]

Hey I won't be the one really suffering. Here in Wisconsin, the poorest people, on welfare with no disposable income are looking at an additional $100 or more/month they will need to fork out to keep the heat on during the winter due to the new EPA regs on carbon. Wisconsin is suing to stop this catastrophe. Of course the new greens don't really give a fuck about the poor otherwise why would they support such a regressive attack on our most vunerable? FUCK THEM! Forcing America's destitute to choose between paying the rent or the heat.... you would think we were back in the early 19th century.

In summary, I am not willing to make the most miserable suffer even more today because of the precautionary principle. My own precautionary principle is to lessen human suffering right here and right now. How anybody can be feel good about increasing it is beyond me.

That can be done in other ways, very easily.

 

[soulcougher73]

Hey I won't be the one really suffering. Here in Wisconsin, the poorest people, on welfare with no disposable income are looking at an additional $100 or more/month they will need to fork out to keep the heat on during the winter due to the new EPA regs on carbon. Wisconsin is suing to stop this catastrophe. Of course the new greens don't really give a fuck about the poor otherwise why would they support such a regressive attack on our most vunerable? FUCK THEM! Forcing America's destitute to choose between paying the rent or the heat.... you would think we were back in the early 19th century.

In summary, I am not willing to make the most miserable suffer even more today because of the precautionary principle. My own precautionary principle is to lessen human suffering right here and right now. How anybody can be feel good about increasing it is beyond me.

Youd do great in todays stock market. Long tern planning be damned. I dont care if i bankrupt this company as long as i get paid now.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What's in it for conservatives? Certainly not saving NYC from flooding. Not giving cities yet more money for mass transit. Not income transfers to the poor, nor limiting the ability to drive large vehicles to hold their larger families, nor some wishful thinking "Manhattan project for alternative energy" that will just line the pockets of solar panel CEOs and masses of scientific charlatans.

We're literally doing nothing though when we should be leading. Fuck, we're the number one contributor worldwide to global warming.

 

[maluckey]

We're literally doing nothing though when we should be leading. Fuck, we're the number one contributor worldwide to global warming.

Nope, not the number one contributor anymore. China doubles our pollution output, but we should be doing something, anything other than either preaching to the choir or damning the unbelievers. Our grand kids will thank us (or damn us) by our actions.

I personally have turned off the airconditioning and opened my windows, refused to sell my car (it's old, but in excellent running condition), paid off all my bills, switched to sustainable (as much as I can) groceries, cut back on beef and lowered the temperature on my water heater. I got my mom and dad and kids to do most of the same. I also volunteered to clean up several creeks and helped finish new bicycle trails that go near my work. I ride my bike once or twice per week to work to save gas and $$$. I also managed to lose 10 pounds doing that

What have others on the forum ACTUALLY done? I'm hoping at least as much as I.

M

 

[Jaskalas]

We're literally doing nothing though when we should be leading. Fuck, we're the number one contributor worldwide to global warming.

*cough