Republicans plan on doing stuff

[techs]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...washington/2011/08/02/gIQARSFfqI_story_1.html

Mitch Mconnell:

“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting,” he said. “Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming.

Hostage? Ransom? That's terrorist talk.

“Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming

Definitions

Ransom:
A sum of money or other payment demanded or paid for the release of a prisoner.

Hostage:
A person seized or held as security for the fulfillment of a condition.

 

[Incorruptible]

Since the mods decided not to read the thread and to unilaterally change the thread title my post here doesn't make any sense, so I am forced to delete it in the interest of clarity.

The article clearly states that many Republicans said they were going to hold the debt ceiling "hostage" and would be "ransoming" it I don't understand how that is not terrorism. At least according to the dictionary definitions.

Are you saying the mods didn't even read the thread and just changed it? Come on, there is no way they would have changed the title without reading your thread.

The democrats are also gearing up for bigger budget fights since they dont want to cut spending which would fix the country, that is terrorism

 

[MovingTarget]

The democrats are also gearing up for bigger budget fights since they dont want to cut spending which would fix the country, that is terrorism

If by "fix the country" you mean "send it back into economic recession/depression so that the GOP will win in 2014", then sure, let's go with that. Cutting spending does have its place. It must be well targeted and timed. Increases in spending work the same way. Both can be beneficial, but if you like most of the GOP these days think that one or the other is an economic cure-all, you are deluding yourself. The sequestration cuts are neither well-timed or well-targeted.

 

[BoberFett]

Demons spent all that money to save our country from a 2nd great depression. You're just mad because now you won't see anarchy before you die and your whole life living in fear will have been a waste.

LOL, you silly kids and your imaginations. You actually believe that anything was saved. Ha, the real pain hasn't started yet. That's still coming.

 

[techs]

blah blah

 

[Charles Kozierok]

This forum sucks more than it ever has.

Indeed. I wish the mods would really clean house. This place has become almost totally worthless.

Speak up for change.

 

[Lemon law]

I agree with Haybasusa and others, who state these type of threads tend to make P&N
worthless and idiotic.

As various right wing Republican posters say their reasoning is the only way to look at the debt spending question.

As we have various other democratic type posters saying their way of reasoning s the only correct way to look at the debt spending questions.

As we have a basic logical Mexican standoff.

So to resolve that question, maybe we should look at history when the GOP threatened to shut down the US government in 1998, After the dust settled in the election of 11/1998. The GOP got dope slapped by the American electorate. Next Gingrich resigned as speaker of the house, and has not held public office ever since. Then in 11/2000, American elected GWB, a big spending republican, and ole GWB and his merry band of neo-cons had succeeded in crashing the American and world economy. 11/2008 was certain to be a democratic year. But because the GOP Senate minority was just large enough to maintain a filibuster we got gridlock instead. And the fickle American voter made 11/2010, a Republican year with a strange new party never seen before called the Tea party. As we got more gridlock in the second half of Obama's first term in office and another GOP attempt to shut down the USA government. Nor did the Tea party promise pan out that their wisdom would improve the American economy. And by 11/2012, the American electorate again punished the GOP, as the the democrats substantially cut down the GOP majority in the House, increased the democratic majority in the Senate, and re elected Obama.

And now new congress has barely concerned, and the GOP right wing tried to shut down the US government. Mitch McConnell at least got a favorable compromise for the GOP in the Senate by hanging tough till the last minute, and Boehner in the house had to rely on the democrats in the House to avoid the fiscal cliff. As only 82 GOP House members voted for the deal. Next up will be raising the Federal borrowing limit.

And maybe the GOP will balk on that one, Thereby crashing the US economy and reducing the US credit rating. And if the GOP does so, we can then answer the thread question in 11/2014 when we may be able to count the number of GOP members elected to the House and Senate with the fingers on one hand.

GOP President Hoover tried the same thing in 1932, and the GOP did not win the Presidency for 2 decades or have a house majority for 62 years.

 

[Ausm]

NO Obummer did he is the president . You can't blame the Rep . or who control the house and senate in 2008 . Who controlled the house and senate in 2001 . How is it obummer gets a free pass because he is black and anything said negitively about the asshat is racist . I hope this country gets what the left wants in spades.

I take it you live in an alternate reality? Do yourself a favor and turn off Fox then you might be able to join the rest of the Cognitive thinking Americans who put the "Black" guy back in charge.

 

[Matt1970]

Please dispute the links I posted then oh "Truthful" one.

You posted a link to a blog. Here are the FACTS why our credit rating got downgraded.

S&P was direct in its criticism of the governance and policy-making process, which took the U.S. to the brink of default as part of the 2011 U.S. debt-ceiling crisis that same week:
"More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011. Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

"The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_credit-rating_downgrade


Enjoy.

 

[Angry Irishman]

I'll say it again: zealous alignment to any political party is asinine. That is all:awe:

 

[Jaskalas]

...

And maybe the GOP will balk on that one, Thereby crashing the US economy and reducing the US credit rating. And if the GOP does so, we can then answer the thread question in 11/2014 when we may be able to count the number of GOP members elected to the House and Senate with the fingers on one hand.

GOP President Hoover tried the same thing in 1932, and the GOP did not win the Presidency for 2 decades or have a house majority for 62 years.

Oh there you go. Tax and spend as much as Democrats want, or it's the 1930s all over again! Doom and horror!

Government needs to be shutdown before it collapses, the severity of which increases with each passing trillion.

So now you see, we both know !@#$ is hitting the fan. You blame us and we blame you, but we should at least call this what it truly is: war.

 

[techs]

I agree with Haybasusa and others, who state these type of threads tend to make P&N
worthless and idiotic.

US News and World Report which is a highly respected and Republican leaning news magazine considered it important enough to do a poll on.

http://www.usnews.com/news/washingt...emocrats-see-tea-party-as-economic-terrorists
Poll: Most Democrats See Tea Party as 'Economic Terrorists'

53 percent of Democrats view Tea Party members as terrorists, 57 percent of voters not affiliated with either major party disagree, as do 74 percent of Republicans

So, over a year ago a majority of Democrats, and a substantial amount of Independents thought so. And that is before the Republicans recent announcement they were going to repeat their holding hostage (THEIR WORDS) the debt ceiling again.
I think we need a new poll because I think the numbers have to have gone way up by now.

 

[Incorruptible]

US News and World Report which is a highly respected and Republican leaning news magazine considered it important enough to do a poll on.

http://www.usnews.com/news/washingt...emocrats-see-tea-party-as-economic-terrorists
Poll: Most Democrats See Tea Party as 'Economic Terrorists'

53 percent of Democrats view Tea Party members as terrorists, 57 percent of voters not affiliated with either major party disagree, as do 74 percent of Republicans

So, over a year ago a majority of Democrats, and a substantial amount of Independents thought so. And that is before the Republicans recent announcement they were going to repeat their holding hostage (THEIR WORDS) the debt ceiling again.
I think we need a new poll because I think the numbers have to have gone way up by now.

Thats like asking hamas how they feel about Jews, do you not see how insane that poll is?

 

[xj0hnx]

US News and World Report which is a highly respected and Republican leaning news magazine considered it important enough to do a poll on.

http://www.usnews.com/news/washingt...emocrats-see-tea-party-as-economic-terrorists
Poll: Most Democrats See Tea Party as 'Economic Terrorists'

53 percent of Democrats view Tea Party members as terrorists, 57 percent of voters not affiliated with either major party disagree, as do 74 percent of Republicans

So, over a year ago a majority of Democrats, and a substantial amount of Independents thought so. And that is before the Republicans recent announcement they were going to repeat their holding hostage (THEIR WORDS) the debt ceiling again.
I think we need a new poll because I think the numbers have to have gone way up by now.

Your hyperbole makes you a joke. Any point you may have once had has been lost in the white noise of your idiocy.

 

[Incorruptible]

Your hyperbole makes you a joke. Any point you may have once had has been lost in the white noise of your idiocy.

I agree since I read this threads just to see the inane rhetoric and him embarrassing himself