Republicans, Not Biden, Are About to Raise Your Taxes

pauldun170

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For those a little burnt out on elections stuff
Surprise!!!

President Trump built in tax increases beginning in 2021, for nearly everyone but those at the very top.

The Trump administration has a dirty little secret: It’s not just planning to increase taxes on most Americans. The increase has already been signed, sealed and delivered, buried in the pages of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
President Trump and his congressional allies hoodwinked us. The law they passed initially lowered taxes for most Americans, but it built in automatic, stepped tax increases every two years that begin in 2021 and that by 2027 would affect nearly everyone but people at the top of the economic hierarchy. All taxpayer income groups with incomes of $75,000 and under — that’s about 65 percent of taxpayers — will face a higher tax rate in 2027 than in 2019.
For most, in fact, it’s a delayed tax increase dressed up as a tax cut. How many times have you heard Trump and his allies mention that? They surmised — correctly, so far — that if they waited to add the tax increases until after the 2020 election, few of the people most affected were likely to remember who was responsible.
Looking at the analyses of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation at the time the December 2017 tax bill was enacted, we see very clearly how different income groups are affected by the Trump tax plan. And it’s disturbing.
The current poverty line for a family of four is $26,200: People with incomes between $10,000 and $30,000 — nearly one-quarter of Americans — are among those scheduled to pay a higher average tax rate in 2021 than in years before the tax “cut” was passed. The C.B.O. and Joint Committee estimated that those with an income of $20,000 to $30,000 would owe an extra $365 next year — these are people who are struggling just to pay rent and put food on the table.
Of course, the poor have never mattered much to the Republican Party, but those on the edge of poverty have been particularly hard hit by the pandemic and the recession it has caused, so Trump’s planned tax increases seem especially heartless, and impractical, when you consider that their higher tax payments, while a huge burden for them, will add little to the budget.

By 2027, when the law’s provisions are set to be fully enacted, with the stealth tax increases complete, the country will be neatly divided into two groups: Those making over $100,000 will on average get a tax cut. Those earning under $100,000 — an income bracket encompassing three-quarters of taxpayers — will not.
At the same time, Trump has given his peers, people with annual incomes in excess of $1 million dollars, or the top 0.3 percent in the country, a huge gift: The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated the average tax rate in 2019 for this group to be 2.3 percentage points lower than before the tax cut, saving the average taxpayer in this group over $64,000 — more than the average American family makes in a year.
The tax loss and benefit estimates just described were calculated before the pandemic. Now, incomes for almost everyone but top earners have taken a hit, so the loser group will likely be considerably larger than anticipated; and with people like Jeff Bezos, the billionaire chief executive of Amazon, doing even better than expected, Trump’s gift to him is even bigger.

This analysis makes clear that the vast majority of Americans will be better off with the likely tax reforms that will emerge from a Biden administration than they would be by sticking with Mr. Trump’s ill-conceived tax bill. You might well ask: Why didn’t Mr. Trump just give everyone a tax cut? The Republicans — who suddenly lost their grasp on their self-described fiscal conservatism when they came into office in 2017 — saw a chance to give their rich friends and corporations a big thank you for campaign contributions. But the tax cuts they promised these donors produced projections that the resulting budget deficits were well beyond $1 trillion.
To reduce that stomach-churning amount, they had to phase-in higher taxes on ordinary Americans. While this kind of budget gimmickry has been used before under President George W. Bush’s administration, Mr. Trump carried it to a new level.
The Republicans have one more feeble defense: their old friend trickle-down economics. The tax cut to the corporations would, they promised, trickle-down to citizens at the bottom of the income ladder. We’ve now seen how that hasn’t happened. In fact the money gushed up to those at the very top in the form of stockholder dividends, chief executive bonuses and a record level of stock buybacks (nearly $1 trillion in 2018 alone.)
Some economic models predicted the Trump tax law would lead to significantly higher wages because of more investment and higher growth. But projections showed that when the 2017 bill’s temporary tax cuts changed to tax increases, growth would likely slow significantly and wage increases would be anemic. And those calculations were made before the pandemic hit.
Mark Zandi and Bernard Yaros of Moody’s Analytics have done the most credible and thorough analysis comparing the Biden and Trump plans, including Mr. Trump’s stealth increases and other promised tax and expenditure changes. Mr. Biden’s plan wins by an enormous margin: 7.4 million more jobs and a much quicker recovery from this recession. That means higher wages and incomes for most Americans.
Elections matter. Elections gave Republicans the power to enact these tax shenanigans. Neither conscience nor principles stopped them.
The problem now is that unless the Democrats win a majority in the House and the Senate and clinch the presidency, these Republican tax increases, already legislated, are likely to go into effect. The increases, unfairly aimed at the vast majority of Americans who are disproportionately suffering in the pandemic, will cause even more hardship.
They must be stopped.

 

Thump553

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Of course they did-that is the way the GOP writes it's tax cuts these days-scheduled to expire after, not before, elections-so it won't be an issue during the election. This monkey business is also necessary to make the bill appear less costly.

Two things about this tax cut bill which most may not know (or have forgotten):

1) Contrary to the Trump Administration's assertion that the law would be income neutral or even increase the government's proceeds, it in fact has cost a LOT-adding at least 1.9 trillion to the deficit per the CBO.

2) The tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and corporations are permanent, unlike the peon's tax cuts.

 

jameny5

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Oh yeah turtle knows how to work the Senate floor to make it advantageous for Republicans. They tell the Democrats not to do this or that. Then, they do the exact opposite of what they tell us. It's quite shocking that McConnell and Graham did not lose their seats. But, this was a polarizing election. Thank God, hopefully, in a few more hours - It will be the end of the Show man. Let's go America - Kick him out!!
 

ivwshane

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This has been known since the bill was authored. We discussed this issue in this very forum.

It’s also been repeated anytime trumpers bring up the tax cuts.
It’s sad that people are aware of the cuts but not these little details.
 
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HomerJS

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Yet everyone will blame Democrats anyway. Facts do not matter.
Dems need a blitz campaign on this now to blunt the upcoming lies from Republicans.

Biden needs a permanent War Room (call it something else) Their sole job is to get ahead of shit like this and blanket the public. Set the narrative before Republicans can start lying.
 

zinfamous

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Yes, this was talked about in 2017, pointed out to to the idiots, Trump even quoted as saying "Who cares? I'll be out of office by then and they'll just blame democrats anyway," and the deplorables still loved it.

They'll continue to pretend that this was never in the bill, and that it is all democrats fault anyway--that somehow they "negotiated this" in good faith with the GOP, so it's really their fault anyway.
 

VRAMdemon

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If Biden wins - Reports are out that McConnell intends to block Biden from selecting his cabinet.


Does someone want to remind McConnell that cabinet positions no longer require Senate confirmation, and Biden can just have everyone be “acting” cabinet members?

Brings up an interesting point though. Should Biden play by the rules or not? Should he just appoint an entirely acting cabinet, and say, “Go fuck yourselves, you set the precedent,” or should he pivot back to normalcy?

The best thing to come out of this election (assuming, as McConnell appears to, that Biden will prevail) is getting rid of Bill Barr. A top priority of a Biden DOJ should be to commence investigations of congress persons engaging in foreign interference with US elections, influence peddling, election fraud… corruption and graft in general. Might knock out one or two Republican senators that way. Maybe more.
 

ewdotson

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Brings up an interesting point though. Should Biden play by the rules or not? Should he just appoint an entirely acting cabinet, and say, “Go fuck yourselves, you set the precedent,” or should he pivot back to normalcy?
So long as his nominees are eminently qualified for their positions (and Biden's no Trump - they would be no matter what McConnell does), I see no reason not to have their cake and eat it too here. Make the nominations, hammer the GOP in the press if they stonewall, and get shit done with acting secretaries in the meantime.

My Alabamian heart would love to see Jones as Attorney General though, who was one of the Axios article's compromise candidates.
 
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balloonshark

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Dems need a blitz campaign on this now to blunt the upcoming lies from Republicans.

Biden needs a permanent War Room (call it something else) Their sole job is to get ahead of shit like this and blanket the public. Set the narrative before Republicans can start lying.
I've been thinking about this a lot. We need to do something to counter the misinformation, educate children, teach civics, critical thinking skills and identify and correct children lacking humility. If we don't democracy will be lost.
 

fskimospy

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So long as his nominees are eminently qualified for their positions (and Biden's no Trump - they would be no matter what McConnell does), I see no reason not to have their cake and eat it too here. Make the nominations, hammer the GOP in the press if they stonewall, and get shit done with acting secretaries in the meantime.

My Alabamian heart would love to see Jones as Attorney General though, who was one of the Axios article's compromise candidates.
Senate confirmation for cabinet officials is effectively dead. Trump killed it. If Biden chooses to go along with McConnell he could, although it would be dumb.

His best bet is probably to pick the people he wants for his cabinet and dare McConnell to block them. If he does - just appoint someone much more liberal as acting secretary.
 

UNCjigga

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But...this is not news. We all knew this when we read the bill. It was even discussed in these forums (too lazy to link but I know it was.)

We all read the bill, right? Right???
 
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Bitek

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@ OP

It's political malpractice that this wasn't a central campaign focus. Instead Biden was talking about raising taxes.

...yeah but on rich folks, but that's terrible political tactics.

It's frustrating that the fact is that Ds still can't win the "economic" argument when the entire experience of the last 30yrs has been Republican presidents destroying it, and Ds coming in to fix it.

@ derail on McConnell...
Fuck that guy. Please Biden, don't play his game.
They break the rules, then expect you to be the "good example" and follow them so they can hobble you with more dirty tricks. Fk em.
 
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trenchfoot

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Republicons up on the hill doing what they do best: hiking taxes on their own rank and file voting base and their base apparently want more of the same. But it's all good because it's their own conmen pulling a conjob on them AND those scammers are going to tell their working class members that it's the Dems that are doing it and their gullible constituency will gobble it all up no questions asked.

It's a circle of lies perpetuating itself all on its own, all self-contained and isolated/insulated from the rest of the world. Too bad the rest of us have to suffer from this insanity of theirs. But then the Repubs must really get off on that too, or is that what their whole game is about? Making everyone else suffer because it just feels so good dragging everyone else down the flusher with them "for the win and ONLY for the win"?
 
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ch33zw1z

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Yes, iirc this was covered by the CBO and other .orgs that reviewed the tax cuts. It was permanent for wealthy but after just a few years the plebs owed. Whatever you may have saved will be paid back.
 

TheVrolok

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Senate confirmation for cabinet officials is effectively dead. Trump killed it. If Biden chooses to go along with McConnell he could, although it would be dumb.

His best bet is probably to pick the people he wants for his cabinet and dare McConnell to block them. If he does - just appoint someone much more liberal as acting secretary.
Was just gonna say, sounds like we just need a few "acting" secretaries.

I really, really hope the Dems play hard ball with McConnell, but I'm worried they won't.
 

1prophet

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I've been thinking about this a lot. We need to do something to counter the misinformation, educate children, teach civics, critical thinking skills and identify and correct children lacking humility. If we don't democracy will be lost.
That ship has sailed a long time ago, America is going the way of the Roman empire because profit only matters and all those things you want to teach get in the way of those seeking it at the expense of everything else, besides it takes 15-20 years to change a generation, too long in this immediate gratification society wanting everything now.
 

TheVrolok

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That ship has sailed a long time ago, America is going the way of the Roman empire because profit only matters and all those things you want to teach get in the way of those seeking it at the expense of everything else, besides it takes 15-20 years to change a generation, too long in this immediate gratification society wanting everything now.
Wonder which party is responsible for the massive anti intellectual movement of the last few decades.
 
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MtnMan

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25% Tariffs on Chyna are 25% tax only on American consumers. The problem is tRumpanzees ain't smart enough to realize that reality.
 

SMOGZINN

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I've been thinking about this a lot. We need to do something to counter the misinformation, educate children, teach civics, critical thinking skills and identify and correct children lacking humility. If we don't democracy will be lost.
It can't be done, and the reason is very simple. They can lie in a single simple sentence, and it will take you several paragraphs to explain why it is a lie, and then a few more to tell them what is true. In the mean time they have pitched 30 more lies.
 

jameny5

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I guess in about 15 or so more years I will be walking with a cane. Reminiscing and pondering about Trump's funny cast of characters. Where are they and what they are doing? I'll ask myself - When will we see a cabal and a group of jackals like them again? The Republicans will have a new batch of idiots brewing or stirring in the pot. They act asinine on the House floor and Senate! See for yourself. I'm not lying. They mirror all the lies, deceit, and hot garbage that comes out of King Trumpy! <--- That they do...