Republicans losing their resolve on Obamacare, losing their votes, and losing face.

[boomerang]

Which is why 20M Americans now have coverage they lacked previously. Cuz it's so screwed up & all.

Look, we've butted heads for many years here but you are too smart to be spouting that shit. Maybe you can tell me, why is it when Republicans say they need to repeal and replace it, people like yourself never hear the word replace? To fix it, it must be changed. That's a pretty universal principle.

 

[Blackjack200]

They did, but the D's dragged things out because they were stomping their feet and throwing a tantrum.... as usual.

How did they drag things out? I thought they didn't have any ability to filibuster.

 

[Blackjack200]

Look, we've butted heads for many years here but you are too smart to be spouting that shit. Maybe you can tell me, why is it when Republicans say they need to repeal and replace it, people like yourself never hear the word replace? To fix it, it must be changed. That's a pretty universal principle.

Because no serious replacement plan has been offered. So it's a reasonable assumption that "repeal and replace" is more about the repeal and less about the replace.

The real question is, is healthcare better off from the ACA, or worse? If it's truly worse, why not just repeal it immediately and worry about replacing it later? If it's better, why not leave the core provisions in place and improve upon it?

 

[Jhhnn]

Look, we've butted heads for many years here but you are too smart to be spouting that shit. Maybe you can tell me, why is it when Republicans say they need to repeal and replace it, people like yourself never hear the word replace? To fix it, it must be changed. That's a pretty universal principle.

Repeal is the hat. Replace is the cattle. Where's the herd?

Best find it before gettin' too carried away with the hat.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because no serious replacement plan has been offered. So it's a reasonable assumption that "repeal and replace" is more about the repeal and less about the replace.

The real question is, is healthcare better off from the ACA, or worse? If it's truly worse, why not just repeal it immediately and worry about replacing it later? If it's better, why not leave the core provisions in place and improve upon it?

Because Repubs said they were going to repeal it, goddamnit, cuz reasons & shit. They can't just make it better. They have to destroy the legacy of the evil black usurper.

We'll see if turns out like W's promise of going to Mars.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't know what gave you that idea. It would be a fucking miracle if it was. I do know one thing, whatever they come up with will not be acceptable to the progressive left. That's pretty much a given.

Ah the old double standard! Don't ever change hypocrite!

 

[colonel]

they should debate for the next 4 years until Trump reelection ( if that happen) so they can show to the American people they did something worthy of their salary.

 

[Bitek]

How did they drag things out? I thought they didn't have any ability to filibuster.

They offered amendments for allowing upto 26 yo on family plans, protections for: Medicaid expansion, ban on pre-existing conditions, contraception, S-chip and the VA.

Rs spent the evening voting them all down.

 

[Blackjack200]

How did they drag things out? I thought they didn't have any ability to filibuster.

They offered amendments for allowing upto 26 yo on family plans, protections for: Medicaid expansion, ban on pre-existing conditions, contraception, S-chip and the VA.

 

[ivwshane]

Those bastards!

 

[UNCjigga]

They've had seven years to come up with one...

Actually, the GOP came up with a halfway decent plan 25 years ago...

...Too bad it's called "Obamacare" now!!!

 

[Bitek]

The reason the vote went into the dead of the night is the attempted obstruction by the D's. It wasn't one of those where the R's tried to do something in the middle of the night and hope nobody would notice. The R's didn't want this to be a late night thing, they want very much to show their constituents that they are doing what the voters want them to do.

Clearly doing the people's work..

Oh wait, here it is:

 

[Sonikku]

But the mandate is what makes it work. If people only buy insurance when they're old/sick/etc it doesn't work as the young and the healthy won't pay into it.

 

[vi edit]

But the mandate is what makes it work. If people only buy insurance when they're old/sick/etc it doesn't work as the young and the healthy won't pay into it.

Ding ding ding.

 

[zinfamous]

But the mandate is what makes it work. If people only buy insurance when they're old/sick/etc it doesn't work as the young and the healthy won't pay into it.

It's like this whole insurance thing is a new concept, invented by evil Obama.

 

[Jhhnn]

Clearly doing the people's work..

Oh wait, here it is:

So, uhh, FYGM, obviously. It's at the heart of Repub values.

 

[Bitek]

But the mandate is what makes it work. If people only buy insurance when they're old/sick/etc it doesn't work as the young and the healthy won't pay into it.

Wanting the item, but not wanting to pay for it is an American tradition.

 

[JSt0rm]

conservative communists got duped again!

 

[Jhhnn]

It'll be like going to Mars-

http://arstechnica.com/science/2017...tout-aca-replacement-plan-that-may-not-exist/

Awesome plan!

 

[kage69]

I'm hoping this goes like Dubya's desire to privatize SS, but with people like Mitch McConnell calling the shots, ugh....

These guys have no shame, as they've shown time and time again.

 

[superstition]

But the mandate is what makes it work. If people only buy insurance when they're old/sick/etc it doesn't work as the young and the healthy won't pay into it.

Shooting people dead works really well to put a stop to their suffering, too. The gun makes it work. Without the gun and bullets it just can't work, can it?

Obviously, the real question is not whether or not the "mandate" is needed to make ACA work. The better questions are:

1) Is ACA a net gain for the industry or for the public? Remember that thing called the public option, the thing that over 70% of the public wanted?

2) What are the massive drawbacks of the "mandate" — like mandating that the public pay for the bribery of politicians (money on a loop) as well as for CEOs and ads?

 

[WHAMPOM]

They've had seven years to come up with one...

1912/1913 election man! You mean a hundred and three years, the Bull Moose Party included a health care program in it's platform. Of course they alluded to one after the Republicans deep sixed Hillary Care, but I have never seen one on paper. That would make it over twenty-plus years to come up with one not seven.

 

[Sonikku]

Man, if I had been alive back then, I would be Bull Moose Party all the way.