Republicans know they're in trouble once the website problems are solved

[OutHouse]

At this point I don't think anybody knows the cost. ATM, this admin has too many other things to worry about.

probably the best sentence in this entire thread.

 

[OutHouse]

and again today obama is out giving speeches on how great his stupid healthcare program is. the guy is lost, what a disaster.

America is the laughing stock of the civilized world.

 

[schmuckley]

and again today obama is out giving speeches on how great his stupid healthcare program is. the guy is lost, what a disaster.

America is the laughing stock of the civilized world.

He's not lost.He knows exactly what he's doing.Don't think he's stupid.
I wouldn't underestimate that man.

 

[schmuckley]

Bump for fail

 

[EagleKeeper]

He's not lost.He knows exactly what he's doing.Don't think he's stupid.
I wouldn't underestimate that man.

As long as the smoke is thick enough, you can not see the flames.

 

[werepossum]

as long as the smoke is thick enough, you can not see the flames.

lol +1

 

[Jhhnn]

America is the laughing stock of the civilized world.

If so, it's because we don't have single payer healthcare like the rest of them...

 

[schmuckley]

Hmm..how "screwed" are Repubs now due to epic ACA failure? LOL

 

[Zorkorist]

If so, it's because we don't have single payer healthcare like the rest of them...

Jhnnn,

Let's explore this single payer health system that you love so much.

Would you like me, and my friends, to single payer your wife?

Would you like me, and my friends, to single payer you?

Would you like, in short, to be fucked by politicians, over and over, again?!

-John

 

[trenchfoot]

Hmm..how "screwed" are Repubs now due to epic ACA failure? LOL

About as screwed as they're ever going to get once the ACA gets squared away and running the way it should.

Obama is dogging his signature program like his wife and kids are being held hostage over its success. He is intimately involved. He is giving it his all to keep this program from being grounded before a single fledged feather gets shot off by the Repubs.

I would think with that kind of dedicated determination coming from the highest elected office in the land, and with his program being anointed by a hostile, conservatively biased and adversarial USSC, the ACA is going to succeed in its mission. It's simply a matter of time.

All Obama has to do is play rope-a-dope and let the Repubs scream themselves hoarse and punch themselves numb while the ACA keeps maturing into a program that elevates itself alongside Social Security and Medicare.

That being said, I can also see this program not ever being what it truly was meant to be due to the powerful influence the health insurance/health care industries have over our politicians. But that's just another fact of life that I've had to accept.

 

[marincounty]

and again today obama is out giving speeches on how great his stupid healthcare program is. the guy is lost, what a disaster.

America is the laughing stock of the civilized world.

For electing GWB. Obama has stopped the torture and America is starting to regain some of its lost stature in the world.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

About as screwed as they're ever going to get once the ACA gets squared away and running the way it should.

Obama is dogging his signature program like his wife and kids are being held hostage over its success. He is intimately involved. He is giving it his all to keep this program from being grounded before a single fledged feather gets shot off by the Repubs.

I would think with that kind of dedicated determination coming from the highest elected office in the land, and with his program being anointed by a hostile, conservatively biased and adversarial USSC, the ACA is going to succeed in its mission. It's simply a matter of time.

All Obama has to do is play rope-a-dope and let the Repubs scream themselves hoarse and punch themselves numb while the ACA keeps maturing into a program that elevates itself alongside Social Security and Medicare.

That being said, I can also see this program not ever being what it truly was meant to be due to the powerful influence the health insurance/health care industries have over our politicians. But that's just another fact of life that I've had to accept.

This post reminds me of how the neoconservatives responded to critical statements about Iraq. Boy wont those liberals be in for it when the WMDs turn up. How can so wonderful a plan to protect us from terrorism work when there are so many Saddam loving Democrats.

Remarkably, both groups never considered the possibility that they had leaders who came up with awful plans. The two are awfully similar.

 

[Zorkorist]

Which has hurt this country more?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Is there any redeeming benefit to a Federal Government, running beyond control?

How do we rein in the Federal Government, when they are the GOVERNMENT?

-John

 

[Doppel]

In the last few days I have read that:

1) Stress testing memo released on September 30 indicated that the site slowed to a crawl when it exceeded 1,100 concurrent users; ergo those in the trenches knew with absolute certainty the site would fabulously crash on October 1st.
2) So far a grand total of 5 people in Washington DC have registered. A week or so ago Alaska was up to 3.

There is no way this will be running smoothly three weeks from now. I assume those trying to clean this shit show up are having pretty restless sleeps these days, knowing that the clock is ticking again, and learning first hand some of the challenges with large IT projects.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

and again today obama is out giving speeches on how great his stupid healthcare program is. the guy is lost, what a disaster.

America is the laughing stock of the civilized world.

We're the laughing stock of the civilized world, but it's not all Obama's fault. Obama would probably liked to have instituted a health care program similar to what other nations have. Instead we ended up with the Republican plan for health care. (Obamacare is really the Republican's plan.)

In other news, a Republican candidate just said what (!?!) about rape? Talk about being the laughing stock of the civilized world. We have advocates of Christian Sharia law running for office.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhnnn,

Let's explore this single payer health system that you love so much.

Would you like me, and my friends, to single payer your wife?

Would you like me, and my friends, to single payer you?

Would you like, in short, to be fucked by politicians, over and over, again?!

-John

I apologize for having said "single payer"- it's not really what I meant. I meant "universal coverage".

The French system, for example, is largely single payer, if not completely so. They spend less in whatever terms you choose for measurably better aggregate results than our own-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France

I doubt that their citizens would willingly trade their system for our own non-system, nor would the citizens of other first world countries with similar arrangements. They'd basically be paying more for less, just to feed the investment portfolios of the financial elite.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We're the laughing stock of the civilized world, but it's not all Obama's fault. Obama would probably liked to have instituted a health care program similar to what other nations have. Instead we ended up with the Republican plan for health care. (Obamacare is really the Republican's plan.)

In other news, a Republican candidate just said what (!?!) about rape? Talk about being the laughing stock of the civilized world. We have advocates of Christian Sharia law running for office.

The ability of this government to get something as complex as health care right is vanishingly small. The rest of the world isn't going to be running it. Considering that they screw up the littlest things, giving full control irrevocably to those who do not understand the least part of it, but have the potential to cause great harm bothers me. Yes it's possible, but neither those in power nor their supporters really care about collateral damage.

Propose a way that the politicians can't kill anyone with regulations and foolish bureaucracy and I'll have a look at it.

 

[trenchfoot]

This post reminds me of how the neoconservatives responded to critical statements about Iraq. Boy wont those liberals be in for it when the WMDs turn up. How can so wonderful a plan to protect us from terrorism work when there are so many Saddam loving Democrats.

Remarkably, both groups never considered the possibility that they had leaders who came up with awful plans. The two are awfully similar.

Well, I think you're being a little premature in judging what the ACA will eventually end up looking like once all the holes are plugged. However, at the present and on the face of it, I'd have to agree with you more than disagree.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

The ability of this government to get something as complex as health care right is vanishingly small. The rest of the world isn't going to be running it. Considering that they screw up the littlest things, giving full control irrevocably to those who do not understand the least part of it, but have the potential to cause great harm bothers me. Yes it's possible, but neither those in power nor their supporters really care about collateral damage.

If that's the case...if it's the case that our society is completely irrational, then there's just no hope for us regardless of what health care system we have. If we have become a nation of morons--if the precondition for prosperity--rationality--is gone then we're going to devolve into third world nationhood regardless of economic policy.

It would be neat if the free market dogmatists began arguing that we need capitalist health care--precisely because we are too dumb and irrational to make a system of socialized medicine work.

 

[compuwiz1]

If so, it's because we don't have single payer healthcare like the rest of them...

America was built on capitalism and a free market. When the government decides to blow away a large insurance industry and replace it with single payer, government owned and controlled insurance, we are no longer a free country. This is communism folks. How did that work out for the soviet union? People trying to compare us to foreign countries just don't get it. We're different, our foundation is different and our freedoms are unique. I don't understand why so many people are so against our great way of life.

 

[Jhhnn]

The ability of this government to get something as complex as health care right is vanishingly small. The rest of the world isn't going to be running it. Considering that they screw up the littlest things, giving full control irrevocably to those who do not understand the least part of it, but have the potential to cause great harm bothers me. Yes it's possible, but neither those in power nor their supporters really care about collateral damage.

Propose a way that the politicians can't kill anyone with regulations and foolish bureaucracy and I'll have a look at it.

So, uhh, what you're saying is that we're less competent than what right wingers characterize as "cheese eating surrender monkeys", huh?

 

[Jhhnn]

America was built on capitalism and a free market. When the government decides to blow away a large insurance industry and replace it with single payer, government owned and controlled insurance, we are no longer a free country. This is communism folks. How did that work out for the soviet union? People trying to compare us to foreign countries just don't get it. We're different, our foundation is different and our freedoms are unique. I don't understand why so many people are so against our great way of life.

Rave on, fool. You just characterized much of the first world, the free world, as "communist".

 

[compuwiz1]

Rave on, fool. You just characterized much of the first world, the free world, as "communist".

Look knuckle dragger, a multi-billion dollar health insurance industry does much more for the economy, than a government entity will ever do. The people who profit from it spend their money back into the economy and that creates jobs. You were probably one of those who were saying just let the automobile industry collapse too. What you and your ilk do not seem to grasp, is that these corporations employ people, they require suppliers who employ people and those people buy things with the money they earn. They buy and build homes. They provide $$$ to their communities. That's how a real economy works. Single payer is going to do extreme, unrecoverable damage to the economy. Whatever...there will be no republican mud on this mess. The dems own it. I promise you that this is a case of "be careful what you wish for". You get to eat it too.

 

[ivwshane]

Look knuckle dragger, a multi-billion dollar health insurance industry does much more for the economy, than a government entity will ever do. The people who profit from it spend their money back into the economy and that creates jobs. You were probably one of those who were saying just let the automobile industry collapse too. What you and your ilk do not seem to grasp, is that these corporations employ people, they require suppliers who employ people and those people buy things with the money they earn. They buy and build homes. They provide $$$ to their communities. That's how a real economy works. Single payer is going to do extreme, unrecoverable damage to the economy. Whatever...there will be no republican mud on this mess. The dems own it. I promise you that this is a case of "be careful what you wish for". You get to eat it too.

This is based on what exactly?