Republicans have "pray-in" to stop healthcare bill..

[JohnOfSheffield]

Really? What about thou shall not steal or do "true Christians" not consider forced taxation theft?

Shared wealth is stealing? Not in the Chirstian faith it's not.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You have grown alot Moonie. See ya on the otherside. I was wondering thow . That Rachel woman how does she know whats in that health care bill . I thought that was going into secret dem behind the door talks. Or did I miss understand that. It would seem that people get from a video what they want without hearing what the presenter is saying . Funny that.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Shared wealth is stealing? Not in the Chirstian faith it's not.

It is harder for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven than itis for a camel to pass threw eye of a needle. Now to understand this . You need to know what the living word was talking about . In those times A walled city had gates . These gates you have seen in movies or other places . But for a camel to pass it had to get down on its knees a crawl threw. So it is possiable but it takes much work .

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You have grown alot Moonie. See ya on the otherside. I was wondering thow . That Rachel woman how does she know whats in that health care bill . I thought that was going into secret dem behind the door talks. Or did I miss understand that. It would seem that people get from a video what they want without hearing what the presenter is saying . Funny that.

I don't know who Miss understand is, nor do i know what thow means but other than that, from what i CAN decipher you are curious about how the PUBLIC bill can be known?

Simple enough to answer, all bills like this one are public.

I know that for one reason the GW admin made a security analysis public and the entire operation had to be aborted because of it, normally everything IS public but in that case it shoudn't have been.

It had to do with the NWA movements and Pakistans refusals while we were already IN the area.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It is harder for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven than itis for a camel to pass threw eye of a needle. Now to understand this . You need to know what the living word was talking about . In those times A walled city had gates . These gates you have seen in movies or other places . But for a camel to pass it had to get down on its knees a crawl threw. So it is possiable but it takes much work .

No.

It had to do with the fact that at the time the only rich men were no good men, they earned their wealth through stealing it from others work.

It also has nothing to do with what i was speaking of. That shared wealth at the time was seen as a means of hospitality which Jesus and his followers not only used but repaid for in kind.

Ever heard the story of the 12 lambs? Well if you haven't then read it, it's in the Bible.

Making up your own interpretations to match something that is clearly an analogy fitting the context isn't all that fucking bright so stop doing that.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ok boss . LOL
It is interesting that the 12 lambs story I don't recall . But may I assume it were The Living words followers


As for the word usage miss was used correctly. Thow . I meant to use the WORD tho = though its same word. I often add a letter when Mind doesn't quit say it right. Sorry about(that) . But you missed it on miss. If I use the word like how gay . So many wouldn't have a clue what I was saying . and it would be taken out of context. Many words exist that aren't used today forgive please.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I was giving you a chance to reply on the 12 sheep story that. But alas its a story I will never know Since I have no Bible here.

But I little confused by this statement. (That shared wealth at the time was seen as a means of hospitality which Jesus and his followers not only used but repaid for in kind)

Its been along time since I picked up a bible . But the only Rich person I recall the living word associating with was Lazarus. I believe Lazarus asked the Lord if a rich man could enter into his Kingdom and thats when the Lord did tell Lazarus the parable of the camel and the eye of the needle. It is possiable that I don't recall if thats correct .I struggle now since becoming ill. But I think I got it right.

Than you say after Lazarus showed the Lord kindness he was repaid in kind. Again thats not the way I recall it . I thought that Lazarus died and the Lord did raise him from the dead , seems to me the LORD gave life were there was none. Lazarus only broke bread with the Lord . So it seems the Lord Gave to lazarus Much more than Lazarus gave . I am but only a humble witness to the light of the world so I may be mistaken if you so desire.

You haven't much time left . Please give me the burden you carry its to heavey for you to bare. Its ok . I have much to bare I can carry your guilt let it go . Be at peace with yourself . I can give you that much , But thats all i can do for you , The rest is up to you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Of course they were. If they didn't 'give' (and freely) in the Church of Paul, they'd be excommunicated. In the Church of Peter in Rome a couple hundred years later, they'd probably be executed. The post-Constantine Roman empire was practically a 'machine state' socialism. Church and State were absolutes.

Read the last half of Matthew 6 and tell me again that any 'true' follower of Christ wouldn't pay any form of taxation voluntarily.
Matthew 22 is a bit more complicated as "what was Caesar's" wasn't taxation, but tribute to an occupying army.

I thought we were talking about the earliest church, not the Catholic Church. I don't see a reference to people being cast out because they didn't pony up. The worst punishment handed out was not because someone didn't give enough or entirely, but because they were free to give whatever they wanted, but lied about it thereby taking credit for something they didn't do.

The part about the occupation is right, and that's why if Jesus said that paying taxes to Caesar would make him unpopular to say the least with the Jews.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That is true, well almost, 80%+ will go to that churches furthering and 10% to administative costs, naturally, a priest needs his mansion.

John you haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people in a church who decide that they are going to get money together and travel to a location where they will have bought materials out of their own pocket by pooling their personal (not church) funds.

A few years back I was talking to someone I know who was doing just that. Although I didn't belong to his church they were looking for people with skills who could help. The catch? Everyone had to buy his own ticket and contribute to the costs of materials. This didn't go into a church fund, it was entirely supported by those who worked.

And no, they didn't try to force conversions or whatever. They prayed and had their services and anyone who wished could join. That was it.

When we were there we worked with the villagers and ate with them. We lived in pretty shitty conditions and the food wasn't resort quality. It was pretty lousy.

For two weeks we worked with the locals and got a lot done. Last I heard some other church was going back to do more.

That happened with Katrina and it will happen with Haiti. You don't have to like it that they aren't forcing religion down peoples throats, and that they are making a real difference without the "80%" being wasted. You might not like that there isn't an administrative fee or any waste, but that's how it is.

 

[Robor]

Apparently these people think god actually cares whether a private or public bureaucracy is tasked with funding health care.

Well, if god cares about the outcome of a sports game or spelling bee maybe he cares about a health care bill too? I laugh when athletes thank god for their most recent victory. If it's gods will when they win is it gods will when they lose? Was the other team more faithful? I don't get it.

 

[Modelworks]

Yeah, no true Christian would do that, right?
These people are Christians, just like you are a Christian, the fuckheads wailing on the floor speaking in toungs at some places are Christian just like you too, you don't get to claim monopoly on faith because YOU believe that what you believe is right.

There are no *true* Christians, not even one. No true Scotsmen either.

People should read the bible for themselves. Where people fail is when they allow someone to tell them what it says rather than reading it for themselves. Pick any book and have someone else read it and tell you the story, then read it for yourself. I guarantee you will find that what they told you while on topic will not be what you personally read.

If you look at how religion changed since the days when the church controlled everything there is one major event where the church lost control. Literacy. Once people could read for themselves the churches began to lose control. All it takes to be a true Christian is to read the bible and follow what it teaches. When you start following what others say vs what the bible says you might as well start reading comic books as a religion.

A true Christian is willing to debate a disagreement and back it with scripture, not opinions.
Which begs the question , have you read the bible cover to cover for yourself ? Or do you rely on the opinions of others to tell you what it contains ?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Say, whadda think after our pray-in, we all go.. BOWLING FOR JEBUS!! This is just pathetic. I wonder if any non-christian republi.. oh wait, nm....