Republicans Break In To Democrat Private Files?

[jahawkin]

I love the perp's defense:

He also argued that the only wrongdoing was on the part of the Democrats -- both for the content of their memos, and for their negligence in placing them where they could be seen.

Right, and the Democrats were negligent for placing campaign documents in the Watergate hotel. They should have known the plumbers were coming.

"There appears to have been no hacking, no stealing, and no violation of any Senate rule," Miranda said. "Stealing assumes a property right and there is no property right to a government document. . . . These documents are not covered under the Senate disclosure rule because they are not official business and, to the extent they were disclosed, they were disclosed inadvertently by negligent [Democratic] staff."

This coming from the guy with the blood on his hands. His explanation is a nice diversion, but the bottom line is he and (possibly) other Repubs used unauthorized access of a government computer, which is a crime.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: mfs378
Yeah and look at the furor the repubs put us in over that little incident.

indeed. When news like this comes out, I get pissed off not at the republicans but at the democrats for not having any backbone. They could EASILY make a ruckus over the stuff Republicans are doing. I mean hell, they can qualify the people involved as hackers AND terrorists for violating the DMCA and Patriot act yet they don't. They're simply letting the republicans agree to 'independent investigations' that eventually get put on the backburner. Why don't these people put the mass of moral wrongs in the spotlight? I don't get it.

The Dems may be concerned on turning over a yellowjacket nest.
The Repubs got caught, maybe the Dems were doing something similar and have not been exposed as of yet. If they cause a big ruckus, their dirty underwear may be exposed also.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: mfs378
Yeah and look at the furor the repubs put us in over that little incident.

indeed. When news like this comes out, I get pissed off not at the republicans but at the democrats for not having any backbone. They could EASILY make a ruckus over the stuff Republicans are doing. I mean hell, they can qualify the people involved as hackers AND terrorists for violating the DMCA and Patriot act yet they don't. They're simply letting the republicans agree to 'independent investigations' that eventually get put on the backburner. Why don't these people put the mass of moral wrongs in the spotlight? I don't get it.

Perhaps because there is nothing to "get" nine times out of ten? If they were "doing stuff" that "they could easily make a ruckus about," believe me, Ted "shaken, not stirred" or "back-of-the-bus" Byrd would be the first to call the henchmen.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: mfs378
Yeah and look at the furor the repubs put us in over that little incident.

Difference is--no one is lying under oath about the files.

Wheel of morality, turn turn turn, tell us the lesson that we should learn: Moral number 666 - lying, immoral behavior, and dishonesty are okay as long as they aren't under oath. :|

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Perhaps because there is nothing to "get" nine times out of ten? If they were "doing stuff" that "they could easily make a ruckus about," believe me, Ted "shaken, not stirred" or "back-of-the-bus" Byrd would be the first to call the henchmen.

Lucky for you, Byrd doesn't go so low as Ken Starr has.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

but the bottom line is he and (possibly) other Repubs used unauthorized access of a government computer, which is a crime.

How do you know? Let me guess, you read it somewhere in the paper a thousand miles away from Washington? You know all the details and whether or not there were, in fact, any wrong doings yet? Please take off your tin foil hat, as the sky isn't falling just yet, sir...let's wait for facts before we jump on the 'Got Reno?' bandwagon.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Wheel of morality, turn turn turn, tell us the lesson that we should learn: Moral number 666 - lying, immoral behavior, and dishonesty are okay as long as they aren't under oath. :|

Well, I would think that breaking the law, when you are elected to execute the laws of the land, is....say...wrong? If someone wants to lie to their wife/children, fine...but to lie under oath after you swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Two different animals, chachi.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Lucky for you, Byrd doesn't go so low as Ken Starr has.

How so? I thought Byrd burned crosses in African Americas' yards? What did Ken Starr do again that was so wrong?

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: jahawkin

but the bottom line is he and (possibly) other Repubs used unauthorized access of a government computer, which is a crime.

How do you know? Let me guess, you read it somewhere in the paper a thousand miles away from Washington? You know all the details and whether or not there were, in fact, any wrong doings yet? Please take off your tin foil hat, as the sky isn't falling just yet, sir...let's wait for facts before we jump on the 'Got Reno?' bandwagon.

Care to explain how this law is not applicable??
Sec. 2701. - Unlawful access to stored communications


(a) Offense. -

Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoever -

(1)

intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic communication service is provided; or

(2)

intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility;


and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Care to explain how this law is not applicable??
Sec. 2701. - Unlawful access to stored communications

...because he had "authorization to access that facility," or so the early wires suggest.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Care to explain how this law is not applicable??
Sec. 2701. - Unlawful access to stored communications

...because he had "authorization to access that facility," or so the early wires suggest.

Orrin Hatch doesn't agree with that assessment (from Globe article):

Hatch also confirmed that "at least one current member of the Judiciary Committee staff had improperly accessed at least some of the documents referenced in media reports."

If he had authorization how was his access improper??

 

[sMiLeYz]

From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications without a password.

This really reinforces my long held beliefs that Republicans in both house and Senate have no scruples whatsoever. I believe at least one nameless Republican president was forced to resign or face impeachment over doing the almost the exact damn thing awhile ago.

Originally posted by: djNickb
Where's your Patriot Act now?

Unfortunately, the Patriot Act probably doesn't apply to rich powerful white men only to Arabs and protesters.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

The back door was left open, apparently either pary could use it; only the Republicans did.
Did the Dems have morals, not care, or not competent enough to utilitize it?

..perhaps too busy trying to figure out what do do about the especially dangerous Latino problem we have in America?

Are you trying to use the Chewbacca Defense? Weak.

..not trying to "defend" anything, superstar...I refer you to my 1st post. Thanks for playing, though.

Then why can't you focus on the individual actions, weighing the right or wrong-"ness" without diverting attention to some unrelated incident. Is your morality really that relative? Seems like your argument(s) tend to boil down to: (A) Did somebody else do something bad too --> (B) Well, then what just happened isn't so bad, now is it? Like I said: Weak.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: tallest1

Lucky for you, Byrd doesn't go so low as Ken Starr has.

How so? I thought Byrd burned crosses in African Americas' yards? What did Ken Starr do again that was so wrong?

Good thing that he was an adopted and not a natural Byrd

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: tallest1

Lucky for you, Byrd doesn't go so low as Ken Starr has.

How so? I thought Byrd burned crosses in African Americas' yards? What did Ken Starr do again that was so wrong?

Good thing that he was an adopted and not a natural Byrd

Not to mention that most of this crap is untrue and just made-up, whatever does this have to do with the subject on hand besides changing it?

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
The Boston Globe has an interesting story up about the actions of the Senate judiciary committee; it seems that the Republicans were breaking in to the Democrats' private memos and other files. I don't tend to keep up with politics too much, but frankly, I'm going WTF here.

From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications without a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight -- and with what tactics.

Can these people possibly get any lower on the totem pole?

Any updates?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: ViRGE
The Boston Globe has an interesting story up about the actions of the Senate judiciary committee; it seems that the Republicans were breaking in to the Democrats' private memos and other files. I don't tend to keep up with politics too much, but frankly, I'm going WTF here.

From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications without a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight -- and with what tactics.

Can these people possibly get any lower on the totem pole?

Any updates?

None that I can find. The major networks haven't even said a peep about it.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

None that I can find. The major networks haven't even said a peep about it.

Gee, once would think that Kennedy and Herr Dachle would be all over the networks on this one, if, as the kiddies are asserting, the sky were falling.

 

[Red Dawn]

Big deal, the Democrats would do it if they could. I guess the Republican hackers are better than the Deoncrat Hackers!