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OrByte

OrByte

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knock yourself out :)

I can ignore the source of the video...like you asked.

I just can't ignore the editing of the video. Too partisan for my tastes
 
Hayabusa Rider

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Let's suppose for a moment (and I don't believe what I say next) that Republicans are genuinely interested in improving health care.

If that were the case they would still be going about it bass ackwards. In any significant undertaking one evaluates the situation in as objective a fashion as possible, get expert opinions with those familiar with the situation, assess options and probable outcomes along with the various costs of each. You then formulate a plan based on the knowledge and expert opinions you have obtained.

You don't write a bunch of regs and plans without understanding what's going on, then scramble to fix what you screwed up. In war and medicine that gets people killed.
 
PhatoseAlpha

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Ain't a whole lot of point in doing everything partisan when your party is in control then complaining about partisanship when you're not.

They had their chance.
 
JEDIYoda

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Tristicus said:
For instance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYkAVtiarRY

I just happened to stumble across that. Let's ignore what channel it's on, and pay attention to what has actually been said. Dems are trying to push this bill through all or nothing, and aren't listening to anything by Republicans apparently.

This is how liberals are supposed to be reaching across the aisle?
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believe what you will...
There is no way that republicans want any part of any bill that does anything for the people....
There whole goal is to make sure nothing gets passed so mthey can claim when election time rolls around that Obama did nothing ....

OP--you need to get your head out of your ass...
 
JohnOfSheffield

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Let's suppose for a moment (and I don't believe what I say next) that Republicans are genuinely interested in improving health care.

If that were the case they would still be going about it bass ackwards. In any significant undertaking one evaluates the situation in as objective a fashion as possible, get expert opinions with those familiar with the situation, assess options and probable outcomes along with the various costs of each. You then formulate a plan based on the knowledge and expert opinions you have obtained.

You don't write a bunch of regs and plans without understanding what's going on, then scramble to fix what you screwed up. In war and medicine that gets people killed.
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Making perfect sense and agreeing with me... good going! ;)
 
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Jhhnn

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Funny how repubs thought healthcare was just peachy when they ran the Senate, HOR, and the Whitehouse in 2003-2007... obviously didn't need to do anything at all when they were running things, huh-uhh...

Now that they're on the outside looking in, why, they're just full of ideas, because those other guys just can't do anything right, and we need to start over, obviously- maybe we can just put this off, again, maybe we can just go back to yukking it up in our plush offices with our industry cronies...

In republican parlance, "Start over" means "It hurts! Make it stop, mommie, make it stop!"

Anybody who didn't notice that the video isn't on any particular channel but is rather a carefully edited RNC hackjob really needs to pull their head out of their ass... Like the OP, for instance.
 
nobodyknows

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Everybody has known that health care reform has been needed since before the Clinton days. The Republicans have obstructed all attempts to do anything. Now they want to "start over"?

That just smacks of nothing but more obstructionism to me. Remember, despite their calm respectful manner in the (heavily editied) video these are the same lying assholes they were last year, the year before that, and the years before that, etc., etc.

Start over? ROTFLMFAO!!
 
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2010/02/23/hcr_amendments/p

To recap: Senate Democrats have accepted at least 161 Republican amendments to their healthcare reform legislation, they've incorporated core GOP planks, and they've scuttled an aspect of the plan most popular with its base, the public option, because of opposition by Republicans as well as red state Democrats.

But they haven't compromised with Republicans? It seems as though the GOP's definition of compromise and collaboration involves the president and the Democrats dropping all of their ideas and passing the Republican platform. That's OK; it's their job to push their party line. But too much of the media seems to be falling for it.
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charrison

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Jhhnn said:
Funny how repubs thought healthcare was just peachy when they ran the Senate, HOR, and the Whitehouse in 2003-2007... obviously didn't need to do anything at all when they were running things, huh-uhh...

Now that they're on the outside looking in, why, they're just full of ideas, because those other guys just can't do anything right, and we need to start over, obviously- maybe we can just put this off, again, maybe we can just go back to yukking it up in our plush offices with our industry cronies...

In republican parlance, "Start over" means "It hurts! Make it stop, mommie, make it stop!"

Anybody who didn't notice that the video isn't on any particular channel but is rather a carefully edited RNC hackjob really needs to pull their head out of their ass... Like the OP, for instance.
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While it was not high on the priority list they did get HSAs enacted and attempted to get get insurance sold across state lines. THe democrats fought very hard against both.

Right now the only form of insurance holding cost down is the HSA. YOu can addi medicare part D as another item that is not experiencing runaway costs either right now.
 
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charrison

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Let's suppose for a moment (and I don't believe what I say next) that Republicans are genuinely interested in improving health care.

If that were the case they would still be going about it bass ackwards. In any significant undertaking one evaluates the situation in as objective a fashion as possible, get expert opinions with those familiar with the situation, assess options and probable outcomes along with the various costs of each. You then formulate a plan based on the knowledge and expert opinions you have obtained.

You don't write a bunch of regs and plans without understanding what's going on, then scramble to fix what you screwed up. In war and medicine that gets people killed.
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The idea being proposed by the republicans are not exactly radical ideas either. But I agree they should be letting experts weigh in on it.
 
ericlp

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Tristicus said:
For instance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYkAVtiarRY

I just happened to stumble across that. Let's ignore what channel it's on, and pay attention to what has actually been said. Dems are trying to push this bill through all or nothing, and aren't listening to anything by Republicans apparently.

This is how liberals are supposed to be reaching across the aisle?
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Why are these Fucktards just now trying to come up with something to say? How long does it take? Sounds like another "STALL" Tactic to me. And no, I've personally heard enough BS from them. They are all a bunch of losers. I'm not even gonna click on the link.

Reach across the isle to do what? Slap the shit out of them?
 
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ericlp said:
Why are these Fucktards just now trying to come up with something to say? How long does it take? Sounds like another "STALL" Tactic to me. And no, I've personally heard enough BS from them. They are all a bunch of losers. I'm not even gonna click on the link.

Reach across the isle to do what? Slap this shit out of them?
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Amen Bro Amen :thumbsup:
 
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charrison

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ericlp said:
Why are these Fucktards just now trying to come up with something to say? How long does it take? Sounds like another "STALL" Tactic to me. And no, I've personally heard enough BS from them. They are all a bunch of losers. I'm not even gonna click on the link.

Reach across the isle to do what? Slap the shit out of them?
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If you have been paying attention, they have been this saying these things for a while. OF course they have pretty much been locked out of the legislative process...
 
SparkyJJO

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JEDIYoda said:
believe what you will...
There is no way that republicans want any part of any bill that does anything for the people....
There whole goal is to make sure nothing gets passed so mthey can claim when election time rolls around that Obama did nothing ....

OP--you need to get your head out of your ass...
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You're right! All I want is for the government to have total power over your lives! Such as over your health care! Oh wait... that's the dems plan :hmm:

No. You, and those like you, need to realize that your party is the one trying to take control of your life. Yes some pubs do too. But they are RINOs - republicans in name only. They belong on the other side of the fence instead of polluting the rest of us.
 
Throckmorton

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charrison said:
I dont disagree some of republican ideas have been put in, but the majority of legislation has been done without the help of republicans. This bill being crammed though congress is still very far from a bipartisan effort.
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161 ammendments have been put in. And that came from plenty of negotiation between Dems and Reps. Remember the "gang of 6"?
 
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JEDIYoda said:
Right now the only form of insurance holding cost down is the HSA. YOu can addi medicare part D as another item that is not experiencing runaway costs either right now.
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I honestly haven't studied HSA's enough to have much of an opinion, but Medicare part D isn't experiencing runaway costs because it was ridiculously expensive to begin with, a sop to big Pharma. Not to mention is was quite calculated in it's passage, positively affecting one of Repubs' largest voting blocs, seniors...
 
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charrison

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Jhhnn said:
I honestly haven't studied HSA's enough to have much of an opinion, but Medicare part D isn't experiencing runaway costs because it was ridiculously expensive to begin with, a sop to big Pharma. Not to mention is was quite calculated in it's passage, positively affecting one of Repubs' largest voting blocs, seniors...
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I wont disagree it was an attempt to buy senior votes, but it is working our well for seniors and it is not experiencing runaway cost as is the rest of medicare. Competition on those drug plans have kept costs in check.
 
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