Republicans 2 faced on Syria attack

UglyCasanova

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Republicans are deeply divided on this. Some support it and others see it as a betrayal. And then there's others that are on the fence because they can see the pros and cons. Trump just cost himself his core supporters last night, they disagreed with Obama playing world police and jumped off the Trump Train when he started to as well.
 
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What's worse is it was so much easier when Obama wanted to take action. There was no Russian complication. They weren't in Syria yet.
 

alien42

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Trump just cost himself his core supporters last night, they disagreed with Obama playing world police and jumped off the Trump Train when he started to as well.

i wouldn't count on that, imo, most of core supporters agree with this particular flexing of muscle and display of America's military power.
 

Sonikku

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Republicans are deeply divided on this. Some support it and others see it as a betrayal. And then there's others that are on the fence because they can see the pros and cons. Trump just cost himself his core supporters last night, they disagreed with Obama playing world police and jumped off the Trump Train when he started to as well.

No he didn't. If Obama did it Conservatives would hate it. If one of their own does it? Not so fast! It's call partisanship and if not for partisanship the entire party that was united in blasting Obama would now be blasting the leader of their party.
 

UglyCasanova

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i wouldn't count on that, imo, most of core supporters agree with this particular flexing of muscle and display of America's military power.

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I don't agree with a lot of what this guy says, but on this one he's spot on. He was also very influential in the election and I'd say represents the mood of Trump's core (and works for InfoWars, thus why I don't agree with him :D)

 

UberNeuman

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Republicans are two-faced.

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I'm a conservative, though not a Trump supporter per se. I don't want the US involved in another needless pointless war, but I don't have a huge problem with him sending a message by lobbing a few missiles over there. I'm sure the message was received: don't do that again or the next ones are coming through your window.

Having the Ruskies over there complicates matters, but I want to see us involved as little as possible. You have a murderous dictator supported by the Russians fighting jihadi isis rebels. No good side to support, stay out of it.
 

ivwshane

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I'm a conservative, though not a Trump supporter per se. I don't want the US involved in another needless pointless war, but I don't have a huge problem with him sending a message by lobbing a few missiles over there. I'm sure the message was received: don't do that again or the next ones are coming through your window.

Having the Ruskies over there complicates matters, but I want to see us involved as little as possible. You have a murderous dictator supported by the Russians fighting jihadi isis rebels. No good side to support, stay out of it.

So when Assad does it again you are ok with all out war? That's where this escalates to.
 

JSt0rm

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budgets dont matter. States rights dont matter. War doesnt matter. Just so long as its a white old guy doing it the repubs are good.
 
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Jaskalas

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Did you support Obama in 2013?
Do you support Trump now?

Hypocrisy works both ways if you are not consistent.
 

ivwshane

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Did you support Obama in 2013?
Do you support Trump now?

Hypocrisy works both ways if you are not consistent.

I supported Obama getting authorization and not doing anything when Congress wouldn't authorize it and the American people were firmly against any action and I would have supported trump had he done the same.

What about you? Where do you stand now?
 
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Jaskalas

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What about you? Where do you stand now?

My idea for Syria remains the same, that the Syrian government is the sole power that can restore peace and stability and that occurs by working together to pull strings on them. Not to attack or destroy them as the Neocons wanted Obama to do in 2013. As Hillary had planned since Libya fell and used Benghazi to arm terrorists in Syria. The United States is responsible for the current situation in Syria, and we make it worse the more we prolong the war.

I oppose the United States engaging in regime change.

Now that would be the end on my statement, but the missile strike is partly removed from those concerns. A full on attack / engagement / invasion to help terrorists and remove the Syrian government is NOT what took place. So far US military action has fallen short of that. The reason for the missile strike is supposedly in response to the use of WMDs. Is it legitimate to act against the use of WMDs? I suppose that was the same excuse in 2013 but again, the missile strike falls short of truly negative impacts.

Speaking of the WMD use... the scope of their deployment appears very limited VS their true nature and capabilities. And I seriously question who had the chemicals. I'm not convinced we are right on blaming Assad. But I digress, the question is of the missile strike. If it's truly impactful it would harm the Syrian government and empower terrorists. If it's not impactful, then why bother at all? Why risk escalation? At best it sent a message to not use chemical weapons. Does it really matter? Aleppo should be proof positive that conventional carpet bombing works just fine at killing civilians. I do not fully appreciate the outcry over chemicals VS conventional killing.

The war itself is killing people, that's the threat. Half a million people have died, and more are dying unless we work towards peace.

Towards deescalation. The missile strike is, at best, a risky message to tell Assad to stop using specific weapons he may or may not have used, that may have (all years totaled) killed a few hundred people. This pales in comparison to a real solution to the real problem, and such a missile strike actively works against that effort. Of building a partnership towards ending the war.

At best I was neutral, but having weighed it here I will definitively oppose the missile strike. It harms what really needs to be done.
America playing cowboy is not what the world needs right now. It is not what the dead and the dying in Syria need.
 
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Didn't want the Kenyan Obama to do the very thing Trump has just done. People bitching about the red line, Obama wanted approval of Congress to attack Assad but Republicans would not cooperate.
It's called hypocrisy. And if you'll pardon a little Sunday morning wordplay, this may be "Politics" (as usual), but it certainly isn't "News" - it's been the GOPs standard operating procedure lo these past 30 or so years and since it's done nothing but Good Things for their Cause, they just keep getting worse and worse (both quantitatively and qualitatively...)
 
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It's called hypocrisy. And if you'll pardon a little Sunday morning wordplay, this may be "Politics" (as usual), but it certainly isn't "News" - it's been the GOPs standard operating procedure lo these past 30 or so years and since it's done nothing but Good Things for their Cause, they just keep getting worse and worse (both quantitatively and qualitatively...)

Thank you. Well said. Their Cause? The Rich getting richer, obviously. It's been relentless top down class warfare waged behind a screen of propaganda about conservative "Values" for a very long while. I'm amazed that it still works.
 

xaeniac

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allowing attacks to bypass congress are abysmal. Republicans urged congress vote when this happened with Obama, yet it is overlooked now? Trump is no doubt aligning with globalist and no difference between Hillary and trump. Republicans have done nothing noteworthy thus far in Trump's administration. How much longer can this country afford to be the world's policeman? Yet many people are still hail Trump even though he spoke that he would not attack Syria.
 

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Didn't want the Kenyan Obama to do the very thing Trump has just done. People bitching about the red line, Obama wanted approval of Congress to attack Assad but Republicans would not cooperate.

Obama bombed a hospital once and killed 22 innocent people. Trump launched nearly 60 missiles and killed 0 innocents.

Maybe Republicans aren't being hypocritical, they just realize it's okay to let an adult use tools such as missiles, but not a child such as Obama.
 

ivwshane

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Obama bombed a hospital once and killed 22 innocent people. Trump launched nearly 60 missiles and killed 0 innocents.

Maybe Republicans aren't being hypocritical, they just realize it's okay to let an adult use tools such as missiles, but not a child such as Obama.
what a maroon... goddamn man.. how can you breathe and walk at the same time.