Republican voters are angry/frustrated/scared

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You're the one bringing up patriotism. Do you really think most of the Democratic party gives a damn about Old Glory? mind you it would be the D's party that thorws the flag away, burns the flag in protest...Oh yes....Patriotism at its finest I suppose right?

Your post explains it better than I ever could. Your think patriotism is about waving a flag.

I dont believe thats what my first reference to it was.
Picking and chooing your talking points are we? Well done. WELL DONE I SAY!

:laugh:

Your first reference was in regards to social programs for the poor, the second in regards to flag burning. I'm not cherry-picking - you are. You pick these specific issues with which to lump people together in categories, and that reveals your willful ignorance and intolerance of ideas.

To demonstrate, I'll remind you that flag burning is protected by the first amendment. To paraphrase someone wiser than myself: "a flag must sometimes be burned to preserve the freedoms which it represents". People who will label flag-burners as unpatriotic clearly don't understand the gravity of something like the first amendment.

The minute you understand that concepts like 'patriotism' require broad and complex definitions, you'll start to realize how your perceptions are manipulated by imagery and propaganda seeking to marginalize your intelligence so that you'll simply tow the line.

This is the only reason I responded to your initial post - I wanted to remind you that patriotism means different things to different people and a black man without a lapel pin who wants social programs for the poor loves his country every bit as much as you do. Probably more, since he's the one who bothered to be a 'community organizer' in the first place, and you just sit on your ass posting pre-packaged vitriol on the interwebz.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You're the one bringing up patriotism. Do you really think most of the Democratic party gives a damn about Old Glory? mind you it would be the D's party that thorws the flag away, burns the flag in protest...Oh yes....Patriotism at its finest I suppose right?

Ah Man aren't you a 14ct gold moron. You guys might wrap your fear and paranoia in a flag but that doesn't make your patriotic, just cowards.

Better then a 24ct gold abusive racist power monger.😉

Well I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one because unlike your fellow Wingnuts Buggerbean and Andy04 you haven't exposed yourself as one like they have.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: Specop 007

TOO MUCH!

So you don't know?

I'm not sure what part of too much is unclear.
I dont care. 1%, 10%, 50.
Its ALL too much. if I had to take a real lose guess I'd say 35-45% give or take. That comes off the assumption (And this is real off the cuff) that roughly 50% of the federal budget is taken up by social programs.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You're the one bringing up patriotism. Do you really think most of the Democratic party gives a damn about Old Glory? mind you it would be the D's party that thorws the flag away, burns the flag in protest...Oh yes....Patriotism at its finest I suppose right?

Your post explains it better than I ever could. Your think patriotism is about waving a flag.

I dont believe thats what my first reference to it was.
Picking and chooing your talking points are we? Well done. WELL DONE I SAY!

:laugh:

Your first reference was in regards to social programs for the poor, the second in regards to flag burning. I'm not cherry-picking - you are. You pick these specific issues with which to lump people together in categories, and that reveals your willful ignorance and intolerance of ideas.

To demonstrate, I'll remind you that flag burning is protected by the first amendment. To paraphrase someone wiser than myself: "a flag must sometimes be burned to preserve the freedoms which it represents". People who will label flag-burners as unpatriotic clearly don't understand the gravity of something like the first amendment.

The minute you understand that concepts like 'patriotism' require broad and complex definitions, you'll start to realize how your perceptions are manipulated by imagery and propaganda seeking to marginalize your intelligence so that you'll simply tow the line.

This is the only reason I responded to your initial post - I wanted to remind you that patriotism means different things to different people and a black man without a lapel pin who wants social programs for the poor loves his country every bit as much as you do. Probably more, since he's the one who bothered to be a 'community organizer' in the first place, and you just sit on your ass posting pre-packaged vitriol on the interwebz.

But I was JUSt told the Democrats are all upstanding patritoic individuals! Therefore is they are patriotic and pushing to be the leader of the country why are they burning flags?

I can understand a certain segment burning flags. It generally shows ones hatred of America. Now this may come as a shock but if you love your country you dont burn the flag. Itsd akin to saying "I love her so I beat her".

So you can say what you want about flag burning being protected, or what you think my definition of patriotism compared to yours is but the simple fact is if you say you love your country you dont turn around and trash its flag.

 

[zoiks]

All this is helping Obama. Hope they continue making asses of themselves.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You're the one bringing up patriotism. Do you really think most of the Democratic party gives a damn about Old Glory? mind you it would be the D's party that thorws the flag away, burns the flag in protest...Oh yes....Patriotism at its finest I suppose right?

Ah Man aren't you a 14ct gold moron. You guys might wrap your fear and paranoia in a flag but that doesn't make your patriotic, just cowards.

Better then a 24ct gold abusive racist power monger.😉

Well I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one because unlike your fellow Republicans Buggerbean and Andy04 you haven't exposed yourself as one like they have.

Benefit od the doubt on what...
I'm not a moran, I'm not paranoid, I'm not a coward or I'm not 14ct gold?

As I said earlier, I think most of the Republicans you meet these days are identifying with an idea that died out 20 years ago. I still occasionally refer to myself as a Republican but really I'm not. The ideas of the Republican party I like, but the last 10 or so years worth of actions do not support the ideas. I think most of us can agree on that. What we have paraded around as Republicans is a far cry from what we want.

But the big issue is where do they turn? There simply IS no party that we can reallly identify with on any menaingful level these days. Hell NO ONE wants fiscal responsibility anymore. So they are left adrift and have to swallow the shit sandwich and hold our nose and support the R candidate because they honestly believe the "other guy" is STILL worse.

Its went from voting for who we want to voting for the lesser of two evils. I like to think the other party to some degree feels the same way. If the current crop of Democrats really does represent the voter base I weep for out future.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: chess9
No racism here, please move on boys and girls.

-Robert

Ah yes, the old "they don't like Obama, they must be racist!" approach :roll:

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

You're the one bringing up patriotism. Do you really think most of the Democratic party gives a damn about Old Glory? mind you it would be the D's party that thorws the flag away, burns the flag in protest...Oh yes....Patriotism at its finest I suppose right?

Your post explains it better than I ever could. Your think patriotism is about waving a flag.

I dont believe thats what my first reference to it was.
Picking and chooing your talking points are we? Well done. WELL DONE I SAY!

:laugh:

Your first reference was in regards to social programs for the poor, the second in regards to flag burning. I'm not cherry-picking - you are. You pick these specific issues with which to lump people together in categories, and that reveals your willful ignorance and intolerance of ideas.

To demonstrate, I'll remind you that flag burning is protected by the first amendment. To paraphrase someone wiser than myself: "a flag must sometimes be burned to preserve the freedoms which it represents". People who will label flag-burners as unpatriotic clearly don't understand the gravity of something like the first amendment.

The minute you understand that concepts like 'patriotism' require broad and complex definitions, you'll start to realize how your perceptions are manipulated by imagery and propaganda seeking to marginalize your intelligence so that you'll simply tow the line.

This is the only reason I responded to your initial post - I wanted to remind you that patriotism means different things to different people and a black man without a lapel pin who wants social programs for the poor loves his country every bit as much as you do. Probably more, since he's the one who bothered to be a 'community organizer' in the first place, and you just sit on your ass posting pre-packaged vitriol on the interwebz.

But I was JUSt told the Democrats are all upstanding patritoic individuals! Therefore is they are patriotic and pushing to be the leader of the country why are they burning flags?

I can understand a certain segment burning flags. It generally shows ones hatred of America. Now this may come as a shock but if you love your country you dont burn the flag. Itsd akin to saying "I love her so I beat her".

So you can say what you want about flag burning being protected, or what you think my definition of patriotism compared to yours is but the simple fact is if you say you love your country you dont turn around and trash its flag.

OK, we're about to get redundant and start repeating ourselves, so I'll kick it off:

People who will label flag-burners as unpatriotic clearly don't understand the gravity of something like the first amendment.

Not understanding the constitution is like saying "I love her so I ignore her". 😉

 

[PingSpike]

These turd brained hicks are right. McCain could easily turn around the public backlash against horrible failed hypocrital pseudo republican policies of the last 8 years, if only he would get tough. He needs to get out there during the debates and utter "Osama Obama Osama!" Then America will know that Obama's last name rhymes with Osama and that they should vote for McCain. Its so obvious.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

People who will label flag-burners as unpatriotic clearly don't understand the gravity of something like the first amendment.

Not understanding the constitution is like saying "I love her so I ignore her". 😉

Whoaaa....Theres a BIG difference between understanding and agreeing!

I understand anyone at any time can go outside and torch the biggest damned flag they can find. I dont agree with the idea that a patriotic individual would do so.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: Specop 007

TOO MUCH!

So you don't know?

I'm not sure what part of too much is unclear.
I dont care. 1%, 10%, 50.
Its ALL too much. if I had to take a real lose guess I'd say 35-45% give or take. That comes off the assumption (And this is real off the cuff) that roughly 50% of the federal budget is taken up by social programs.

Sounds like you should choose a new country if you're so disgruntled.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: Specop 007

TOO MUCH!

So you don't know?

I'm not sure what part of too much is unclear.
I dont care. 1%, 10%, 50.
Its ALL too much. if I had to take a real lose guess I'd say 35-45% give or take. That comes off the assumption (And this is real off the cuff) that roughly 50% of the federal budget is taken up by social programs.

Way off... take a look here.

Unemployment/welfare and other mandatory spending consume 11.77% of the federal budget. Assuming unemployment (which is taxed extra) constitutes at least half of that number, you have welfare at 5-6%. Medicaid is 7.32%, but much of that goes to children insurance programs (not poor by choice). Assume 50% go to adults collecting medicaid. We'll round and say 10% goes to the poor for welfare and medicaid. Some of those people have a legitimate right to collect and have paid taxes and are just down on their luck. Let's assume 80% are lifelong dependents. That's 8%.

Defense, the GWOT, interest on national debt, ss, and medicare alone constitute 64.49% of federal spending. Other departments have to scrap for what's left.

There you go. Kick every adult off of welfare (even ones on welfare temporarily) and you've reduced your tax liability by about 10%. You still need to pay more in taxes though, as cutting spending by 10% wouldn't have removed this year's deficit.

Oh, and that deficit is before the bailouts. We spent far more on bailouts this year than we've spent in unemployment, medicaid, and welfare combined. Money trickles up in this country, not down.

Before you go complaining about how the poor are shaking you down, maybe you should do a little research first. They account for very little of your tax liability.

I agree that people shouldn't be gaming the system and remaining on welfare their whole lives. However, compared to other spending, it's really not the pressing issue that Republicans want you to believe it is. Far more money is going to go to the rich this year than is going to go to the poor. Use your head.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: Specop 007

TOO MUCH!

So you don't know?

I'm not sure what part of too much is unclear.
I dont care. 1%, 10%, 50.
Its ALL too much. if I had to take a real lose guess I'd say 35-45% give or take. That comes off the assumption (And this is real off the cuff) that roughly 50% of the federal budget is taken up by social programs.

Sounds like you should choose a new country if you're so disgruntled.

Thats the problem. For what *I* want America is as good as it gets.

 

[jpeyton]

They have good reason, nominating another out of touch candidate like McCain.

 

[quest55720]

Damn strait I am angry. The party who caused this crisis is going to get away with it and gain power because the MSM won't tell the truth. I am angry because frank and dod are going to get away with taking money to block regulations of freddie and fannie. It makes me angry that the stock market is tanking and those at fault will have complete control over this country.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720
Damn strait I am angry. The party who caused this crisis is going to get away with it and gain power because the MSM won't tell the truth. I am angry because frank and dod are going to get away with taking money to block regulations of freddie and fannie. It makes me angry that the stock market is tanking and those at fault will have complete control over this country.

I'm sorry, but the world you are describing does not exist. The media has extensively reported on all the causes of this crisis, and like it or not a lot of the people who helped cause it have an (R) after their name. There are plenty of Democrats that contributed as well, but to say that the Democrats were the ones that caused this is just silly and is unsupportable.

There's nothing wrong with being partisan, but you are being blindly so.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: quest55720
Damn strait I am angry. The party who caused this crisis is going to get away with it and gain power because the MSM won't tell the truth. I am angry because frank and dod are going to get away with taking money to block regulations of freddie and fannie. It makes me angry that the stock market is tanking and those at fault will have complete control over this country.

blaming the media.

what a cop out.

waaahhhhh

 

[yllus]

Personally, this makes me respect Senator McCain a little bit more. There's a lot of things he seems willing to do to win the presidency, but at least he's not playing up the "Hussein" angle. I bet his advisors are pushing like hell for him to do so, but there's still some honour left in that old soldier.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I can understand a certain segment burning flags. It generally shows ones hatred of America. Now this may come as a shock but if you love your country you dont burn the flag. Itsd akin to saying "I love her so I beat her".

So you can say what you want about flag burning being protected, or what you think my definition of patriotism compared to yours is but the simple fact is if you say you love your country you dont turn around and trash its flag.

You need to learn the difference between patriotism and jingoism.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They have good reason, nominating another out of touch candidate like McCain.

The ending was hilarious.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Way off... take a look here.

Unemployment/welfare and other mandatory spending consume 11.77% of the federal budget. Assuming unemployment (which is taxed extra) constitutes at least half of that number, you have welfare at 5-6%. Medicaid is 7.32%, but much of that goes to children insurance programs (not poor by choice). Assume 50% go to adults collecting medicaid. We'll round and say 10% goes to the poor for welfare and medicaid. Some of those people have a legitimate right to collect and have paid taxes and are just down on their luck. Let's assume 80% are lifelong dependents. That's 8%.

Defense, the GWOT, interest on national debt, ss, and medicare alone constitute 64.49% of federal spending. Other departments have to scrap for what's left.

There you go. Kick every adult off of welfare (even ones on welfare temporarily) and you've reduced your tax liability by about 10%. You still need to pay more in taxes though, as cutting spending by 10% wouldn't have removed this year's deficit.

Oh, and that deficit is before the bailouts. We spent far more on bailouts this year than we've spent in unemployment, medicaid, and welfare combined. Money trickles up in this country, not down.

Before you go complaining about how the poor are shaking you down, maybe you should do a little research first. They account for very little of your tax liability.

I agree that people shouldn't be gaming the system and remaining on welfare their whole lives. However, compared to other spending, it's really not the pressing issue that Republicans want you to believe it is. Far more money is going to go to the rich this year than is going to go to the poor. Use your head.

Seeing as we couldnt agree on what social programs are, we would not agree on the percentage of taxes that support it.

Medicare
Medicaid and State Childrens Health
Unemployment, Welfare and other "mandatory" spending
Health and Human Services
Urban Housing
etc etc etc

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Dari
But what's odd is that they're taking their anger out on Obama (and Pelosi) when it should be directed at Bush and the Republican leadership. After the election, it should be directed at them.

That's why I'm voting third party. It is squarely directed at Republicans abandoning conservatism. This does not make Democrats any less of a threat to my values, it merely joins the two parties as an equal threat.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They have good reason, nominating another out of touch candidate like McCain.

The ending was hilarious.

eh, hating the rich is stupid. If I had tens of millions I'd own a helluva lot more than 13 cars.

 

[Eeezee]

The anger that these Republicans show at these rallies is beyond anything that I'd expect in politics. When Obama wins, I hope they pick up and move out of the country.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They have good reason, nominating another out of touch candidate like McCain.

The ending was hilarious.

eh, hating the rich is stupid. If I had tens of millions I'd own a helluva lot more than 13 cars.

That ending was still absolutely hilarious 😛 Edit: It's not hate, it's comedy 🙂