Republican Spending Blueprint Contains ?No Detail.?

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Let me just say this one thing: If you're going to oppose Obama's budget proposal and bash Congressional Democrats for spending too much, then for the love of god, come up with an alternate plan with actual details.

Why? Your heroes aren't going to look at it anyway.

Are you saying that the GOP has nothing to gain by providing an actual economic plan and that it enough for them to attack Mr Obama and his plans?

Let's not mix apples and oranges.

As far as an 'economic' or stimulus plan, I'm pretty sure they did one. IIRC, it was sponsired by McCain, but of course couldn't pass on a vote.

Budget? I don't recall seeing 'political parties' proposing budgets before? They should just be critiqing whatever the White House presents to Congress. I don't see any purpose to drafting and alternative budget in detail. That's just unnecessary 'busy work'.

Fern

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

 

[newnameman]

You conveniently neglected to bold this part of the article:

?There was some confusion as to what was released on Thursday; that was not our alternative budget,? Ryan said. He termed it ?a broader Republican economic agenda? and said he would unveil the party?s tax-and-spending plan that includes specifics on March 31.

 

[frostedflakes]

I like Republican bashing as much as the next guy, but...

Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the top Republican on the House Budget Committee, distanced himself from Boehner?s document during an appearance on the Bloomberg program.

?There was some confusion as to what was released on Thursday; that was not our alternative budget,? Ryan said. He termed it ?a broader Republican economic agenda? and said he would unveil the party?s tax-and-spending plan that includes specifics on March 31.

The real budget is on the way.

 

[trenchfoot]

The repub economic plan: Through the use of Voodoo Economics, return things to the way they were in the year 2000 and repeat every 8 years. FTW

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

That is what I asked in my first post in this thread. I do not remember a minority party ever proposing a budget or economic plan.

For me, Winnar's post about why should the GOP bother raised the question of should the GOP be doing more than criticizing and predicting doom and failure.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

Did you read the actual document? It's not a budget - it's an outline, a guiding document, a proposal to build the budget from, etc

Got it yet? Hint - it's not a BUDGET so it wasn't intended to have details - only the "but but but look at the R's" crowd is suggesting it should have to insulate their messiah from criticism over his massive budget.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Let me just say this one thing: If you're going to oppose Obama's budget proposal and bash Congressional Democrats for spending too much, then for the love of god, come up with an alternate plan with actual details.

Is the GOP seriously this stupid?

No, but you are seriously this stupid for believing the bullshit that gets peddled out there

Where are the details in Obama's plan? There are none either. And his is on the scale of many trillions with no guarantee at all it will reduce the debt. Obama's own projections over 10+ years of rosy growth never see anything close to a balanced budget in any year.

But what do you care? You worship the ground Obama walks on, and nobody can tell you any differently.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Let me just say this one thing: If you're going to oppose Obama's budget proposal and bash Congressional Democrats for spending too much, then for the love of god, come up with an alternate plan with actual details.

Why? Your heroes aren't going to look at it anyway.

Are you saying that the GOP has nothing to gain by providing an actual economic plan and that it enough for them to attack Mr Obama and his plans?

What do they have to gain?

Credibility

I was talking to a Republican about this last night. He asked what would the Republicans be doing right now about the economy if they had won the White House and control of Congress.

I said the same thing the Democrats are doing. Except they would not be talking about raising taxes.

exactly!!! Funny thing is they would raise taxes in secret.....lol

Didn't both Mr Reagan and GWH Bush raise taxes?

True my friend...but this present administration would not try to hide that dfact...rasing taxes!!

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
The repub economic plan: Through the use of Voodoo Economics, return things to the way they were in the year 2000 and repeat every 8 years. FTW

Obamanomics - "Yes we can... borrow our way out of debt" ?

The only way Obama's plan could possibly ever work is through massive inflation, decimating private wealth.


I'll take Voodoo Economics over Obamanomics any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

I'd be inclined to agree with you.

However, I don't see where you got that one sentence summary. You made it up, yes?

Looks like what I'd call a 'position paper' and seems fairly well done, at least in terms of layout and organization. I like it when such lenghty documents begin with an executive summary.

I haven't read the whole 19 pages (don't have time right now), but the parts I did read seemed common sense.

As an accountant, and knowing what a budget is, I sure hope they don't bother to do one. What's the point? Is anybody really going to quible over individual line-by-line amounts for something as huge as the US budget? Of course not.

Fern

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just continuing the failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

I dunno, I can't see a repub plan where they are going to go backwards on the "progress" they made in getting themselves the tax cuts and other tax breaks they engineered for themselves over the years that Bush was in office.

To me, any plan they make that includes raising taxes on themselves is impossible. Therefore, any plan they cook up will have to, if necessary, raise taxes where it's been been gotten from for the last eight years: the middle class.

They need the spending to continue to keep up the margins they've gotten used to, but what's really bothering them is that they lost control over what once was their little private piggy bank over at Treasury that they used to keep the spending up.

I can't see any other "Plan" they may cook up other than one that will ultimately only benefit the very rich who control that party with an iron grip.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just taking continuing failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

You're using Dem short term emergency oriented policies to describe Pres. Obama's and The Dem's long term policies. That does not make sense.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just continuing the failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

Wait, letting the GWB tax cuts expire and cutting taxes on everyone but the highest bracket does exactly what was implied by Obama.

And we are doing a progressive withdrawl from Iraq. He never said we were leaving Afghanistan.

-Independant Voter <==

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just continuing the failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

Obama never said he was going to end the war in Afghanistan, in fact he explicitly stated he was going to expand it. He has already begun the process of ending the war in Iraq.

The Republicans didn't lose because they were fiscally irresponsible. No Republican administration has been fiscally responsible since EISENHOWER. That's more than half a century. If you look at what Americans care about, balancing the budget is way way low on the list, they care about the economy, they care about health care, and they care about the war. In all three of those areas, Republican positions are wildly unpopular. THAT is why they lost, and it's why they will continue to lose. (well, they might gain back a few marginal districts, but they won't be looking at a majority in either house of Congress for a long time)

What you're doing is assuming that what you think is important is what the average American thinks is important.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just continuing the failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

I remember, that after the Republican convention that Mr McCain and Ms Palin were within +\- 5% of Mr Obama and Mr Biden. The Republicans stayed close in the polls until the economy crashed.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just continuing the failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

I remember, that after the Republican convention that Mr McCain and Ms Palin were within +\- 5% of Mr Obama and Mr Biden. The Republicans stayed close in the polls until the economy crashed.

Fate has a funny way of making things right eh?

 

[Lemon law]

Actually there is a historical precedent for the Republican lock step opposition strategy from the great depression that started in 1929.

It worked so well, that the democrats had 100% control of the house for 62 years, control of the Senate for most of those 62 years, and they couldn't get a single GOP President for 2 full decades.

Go ahead GOP, do it again, the democrats double dog dare you.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: tweaker2

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

As the results of Nov 2008's election pointed out, the GOP' creditibility on economic issues is low.

Are you really this deficient in your intelligence?

The Democrats won the election because they conned the public into believing they would end the wars in the Middle East, and cut taxes for 95% of America.

Obama is doing neither of those things. So if you think the Democrats will have much credibility come the 2010 elections - and remember, most elections were close, it's not so much the landslide victory you like to dream it was


Republicans lost because they were never fiscally responsible. Democrats are just taking continuing failed Republican policies, only this time on steroids. :roll:

You're using Dem short term emergency oriented policies to describe Pres. Obama's and The Dem's long term policies. That does not make sense.

What emergency policies? Obama's own people say the recession will end in 2009 and yet FY 2010 has a 1.2 trillion deficit.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

Did you read the actual document? It's not a budget - it's an outline, a guiding document, a proposal to build the budget from, etc

Got it yet? Hint - it's not a BUDGET so it wasn't intended to have details - only the "but but but look at the R's" crowd is suggesting it should have to insulate their messiah from criticism over his massive budget.

You're missing the point - as usual. You're not going to get anywhere as a party if all you can do is sit around complaining with no valid alternative plan. And yet, that's precisely what the GOP is doing. Let's see some hard numbers as to what the GOP would do and how they'd do it differently, and then perhaps we can have a fair, intelligent discussion about the differing approaches.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
-snip-
You're missing the point - as usual. You're not going to get anywhere as a party if all you can do is sit around complaining with no valid alternative plan. And yet, that's precisely what the GOP is doing. Let's see some hard numbers as to what the GOP would do and how they'd do it differently, and then perhaps we can have a fair, intelligent discussion about the differing approaches.

Seemed to work fine for the Dems.

As usual, the party in minority will just benefit from the majority screwing it up.

I sense no demise anytime soon of this long lasting cycle.

Fern

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sorry to break up yet another liberal circle jerk but this wasn't a "budget" - it was a outline of what they'd like to see the budget do. So ofcourse there are no "details" - it's not intended to be such a document. Are you people really that stupid you buy into the false notion that this is supposed to be a "budget"? Meh, libs never have been good dealing with reality...

Link to actual document the whitehouse moron tried to suggest was a "budget"

Sorry but there is no point in saying they want to cut taxes and balance the budget without saying how it could actually be accomplished.

Did you read the actual document? It's not a budget - it's an outline, a guiding document, a proposal to build the budget from, etc

Got it yet? Hint - it's not a BUDGET so it wasn't intended to have details - only the "but but but look at the R's" crowd is suggesting it should have to insulate their messiah from criticism over his massive budget.

You're missing the point - as usual. You're not going to get anywhere as a party if all you can do is sit around complaining with no valid alternative plan. And yet, that's precisely what the GOP is doing. Let's see some hard numbers as to what the GOP would do and how they'd do it differently, and then perhaps we can have a fair, intelligent discussion about the differing approaches.

The detailed plan is supposed to be revealed on March 31st...