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Republican Senators screw our Vets

"Veterans issues often enjoy bipartisan support in the Senate, but because this legislation was a major priority for the Obama administration and its main sponsor, Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., is stuck in a tough reelection fight, some Republicans objected to the legislation on the grounds it was another campaign talking point to boost Democrats in the polls."

I bet it makes you wonder if politicians actually care what happens to the world outside of politics.
 
We need to support our Vets, period. We are repeating the same mistakes of the 70s.

The VA is a disaster, like most federal agencies, and needs a complete re-vamping.
 
Repubs' basic goal is to deny Dems any victories, and they really don't care who else gets screwed in the process.

Basically, they'd rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven, and are doing their best to achieve that.
 
Obama, at the debates, needs to do this...
Give the camera that stern Bill Clinton look, tell the audience to "write these names down America", and proceed to list these four republicans name by name and state by state.
Let the voting public have the final say in judging these four bone heads.
 
The whole idea that vets are mythical heroes who save the world is nonsense to me. They are (currently) just a bunch of organized bullies with superior weapons that go out of their way to kill others. By go out of their way I mean they literally travel thousands of miles to kill people............THOUSANDS OF MILES. Doesnt sound like im in much danger.
 
Its irrelevant whether you support vets or not. This is simply a great example of how we allow our legislator get manipulated by few with political posturing rather than attempting to help the electorate.
Disgusting
 
The irony is this would of been a victory for Republicans, showing movement on issues that rally their base. You know maybe help out a few senatorial races? Instead they are so into not giving Obama and the democrats one thing, so they shoot themselves in the face and make the Democrats the ones who care for the troops.
 
Hard to defend the indefensible, isn't it!

I have vet friends going back to the Korean War all the way up to having young friends who served in the Middle East, and children of those veterans who experienced combat of the worst kind.

I value the service they gave to our country. To belittle them in any way, shape or form, especially to belittle them for political gain, is reprehensible in the least.

Those Repub Senators who shot down this Bi-Partisan bill, purely for political advantage, they need to apologize to all of those vets who served in wars these four politicans supported with apparent "patriotic fervor", or was that too, all for political advantage? Is that what our vets lives and welfare is to them? Just pawns to use in a political game of chess?

And I will never forget how Bush 43 tried to cut benefits to those very veterans he sent to Iraq while our troops were still fighting there. Bastard.
 
The sad thing is that the Repulblican base most likely couldn't care less, wouldn't believe you if you told them and would immediately rationalize it if they couldn't ignore it.
 
UberNeuman said:
First responders have been called to fight wars for the nation?

\and if you'd like to support first responders.... I'm for it.....
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first responders probably do more do defend the people of this country that our Iraq/Afghanistan vets.

but that's veering off topic... I just don't understand why a jobs bill specifically targeted towards vets is needed before Congress is able to pass a jobs bill targeted at the entire country.

"but it's for the troops!" is making me flashback to "think of the children!"
 
loki8481 said:
first responders probably do more do defend the people of this country that our Iraq/Afghanistan vets.

but that's veering off topic... I just don't understand why a jobs bill specifically targeted towards vets is needed before Congress is able to pass a jobs bill targeted at the entire country.

"but it's for the troops!" is making me flashback to "think of the children!"
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My take? It was supposed to be a slamdunk feel-good-look-good piece of legislation that made the Senate look good as a whole. It's just that those four (safe?) Repub Senators couldn't stand the thought of giving the Dems anything at all, per their unified stated party goal: Give nothing - Take everything.

As for your first comment, I agree that our first responders do a lot to protect us at home, but do you realize that by saying what you said, you marginalize the sacrifices our military make both at home and abroad? Do you realize that our military are also first responders?

Anything that helps our vets is OK with me. They deserve it. I'd feel the same way for any legislation that benefits our first responders as well. Any way we can get more deserved benefits for them all is fine by me.

edit - I'll make sure to bring this situation up at our next VFW meeting.
 
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loki8481 said:
why? 😕

I mean, we need jobs programs period... why programs specific to vets?
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It is not the government's job to supply everyone a job. They/We owe a duty to our Vets to help them with placement and therapy.

Taking 18-22 year old kids and sending them to the Sandbox where they watch their friends die in an unpopular war, with no way to tell friend from foe.......

They come back with mental baggage that only they can understand.
 
Is this shocking? Remember Repubs tried to screw over the 9/11 responders by filibustering the cancer care bill. They only finally passed it after the Daily Show publicly shamed them. Same procedural nonsense excuse too.

The killed the jobs bill, they got our credit downgraded, they will screw over anyone as so long as the can try to screw over a Dem at the same time. They only care for themselves and their reelection.
 
loki8481 said:
why? 😕

I mean, we need jobs programs period... why programs specific to vets?
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loki8481 said:
first responders probably do more do defend the people of this country that our Iraq/Afghanistan vets.

but that's veering off topic... I just don't understand why a jobs bill specifically targeted towards vets is needed before Congress is able to pass a jobs bill targeted at the entire country.

"but it's for the troops!" is making me flashback to "think of the children!"
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I believe the reasoning is two fold. The first is that the US military is a volunteer service. If you want people to join you have to make it worth their while. The military has faced some tough recruiting hurdles as people don't really want to go off and fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. And - IMO people are lazy and undisciplined - since bootcamp and the military is widely viewed as the complete opposite of that there is a cultural hurdle as well. (I am not saying those don't exist in for first responders just that the cultural perception appear to view the military as more extreme)

Second (although it ties into the first) - you are far more likely to get injured serving in the military. In a comparison to police officers there appear to be about ~200,000 disabled police officers with an active force of around 800,000

The number of disabled veterans? 2.9 million for a force size of 1.4 million. So while the number of people serving is only ~2x the number of police the disabled veterans amount to some 14.5x the number of disabled police

There is also a higher chance of meeting someone who really really wants to kill you in the military than in the police force and many believe that deserves some additional societal rewards
 
MarkLuvsCS said:
I bet it makes you wonder if politicians actually care what happens to the world outside of politics.
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nope. Well i do think maybe they do when they start (a few) but over time they don't give a shit. It has gone from ideological differences to "fuck the other party over no matter the cost". BOTH sides will do whatever they can to "look better" even if it means they hurt the people of the US. this is not just a R or D thing. this is a politician thing.

The 2 party system is failing us.
 
Why did the bill not have the procedural rules followed in the first place?

Republicans blocked it; why with the Democrats in control were the rules being bypased in the first place; What run around was being tried?
 
It really saddens me to hear the lack of support for veterans in this thread. It is not there job to choose who/why they fight, but it is there choice to put themselves in harms way to protect the country I live and prosper in. They deserve every "benefit" we give them. Marginalizing them is wrong on so many levels.
 
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