Republican senators back prayer guru that thinks gays are inhabited by demons...

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http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/...utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet

As the Rachel Maddow Show has recently showcased, on December 16th the Family Research Council sponsored a "Prayercast" event, attended by GOP luminaries including Senators Jim DeMint and Sam Brownback, and House Representatives Michelle Bachmann and Randy Forbes. But FRC head Tony Perkins did not lead the prayer event. That honor fell to Lou Engle, Founder of TheCall. Besides leading the capstone stadium rally for pro-Proposition 8, antigay marriage organizers last November 1, 2008 at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium, Lou Engle could also be found, at a special ceremony at a Virginia Beach megachurch last summer, anointing and blessing GOP presidential hopefuls Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich.

Meet the Republican Party's new spiritual guru, Lou Engle:

[below: excerpt from 2007 Engle Los Vegas speech. see here for extended transcript.]

"My son Jesse, he's nineteen years old. God has given him dreams, to go to San Francisco to launch a house of prayer, one block from the Castro District - where the homosexuals boast the dominion of darkness. He's going there with weeping in his heart. With the dream that prayer is stronger than the dominion of that spirit.

...He said to me, "dad," he said, "as long as I'm there I don't think the Lord will judge San Francisco." [boos, angry murmur from Engle's audience]...

He's nineteen years old. He's starting to cast out homosexual spirits out of our new converts. It's scary as hell. The whole thing's scary. But fathers are to send their sons into the darkest places."




Really? This is what our country has become? How many of the partisan hacks here will be willing to defend this?

Hopefully, people will start to wise up to the insanity going on in middle america.

How can you claim that muslim countries are insane, when you have your own brand of insanity in your own backyard?
 

spidey07

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To many/most Christians homosexuality is a sin, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he said or what his son is doing.

Maybe Obama can make this guy dual education czar to cancel the other one out?
 

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To many/most Christians homosexuality is a sin, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he said or what his son is doing.

Maybe Obama can make this guy dual education czar to cancel the other one out?

Obama is the only president to use Czars right? OMG we are fucked now!
 

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Which is crazier? A religious zealot or a dude that likes to suck cock? Personally, my opinion is that both are nuts. But I suppose that it is OK for you to be a bigot against one group versus the other. I think that both groups are an example of what makes this country great. Different strokes I guess.
 
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sandorski

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To many/most Christians homosexuality is a sin, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he said or what his son is doing.

Maybe Obama can make this guy dual education czar to cancel the other one out?

hehe, nice Logic. To many Nazis, Jews were a sin, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with what they said or did.

Fail
 

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Guilt by association...do you really want to go down this path?

To many/most Christians homosexuality is a sin, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he said or what his son is doing.

Maybe Obama can make this guy dual education czar to cancel the other one out?

scathing retorts. :rolleyes:

i'm not sure if you've noticed, but those straws you're grasping at are about a mile away by now. you just can't quite reach.

we all know that if obama was socializing with people who claimed that you idiot fundies were all inhabited by demons (makes as much sense as any other explanation, i guess), you'd be posting about it.
 

shadow9d9

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Guilt by association...do you really want to go down this path?

2 of our Senators and multiple House members were there.... in support of this guy. Did they come out against him?

If they came out against him, then of course, I couldn't blame them.
 

shadow9d9

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To many/most Christians homosexuality is a sin, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he said or what his son is doing.

Maybe Obama can make this guy dual education czar to cancel the other one out?

Being a sin means that they are inhabited by Demons?
 

spidey07

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2 of our Senators and multiple House members were there.... in support of this guy. Did they come out against him?

If they came out against him, then of course, I couldn't blame them.

Did Obama attend Rev. Wrights church for 20 years and not come out against it?

Yes or no. Or should I say naw, naw, naw?
 

shadow9d9

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Did Obama attend Rev. Wrights church for 20 years and not come out against it?

Yes or no. Or should I say naw, naw, naw?

Against what? Did Wright talk about supernatural beings inhabiting people's bodies?

Wright simply spoke against oppression and went a little overboard when he was in the spotlight. If you actually watched full videos of him instead of sound bites... what he said was absolutely true.
 

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Which is crazier? A religious zealot or a dude that likes to suck cock? Personally, my opinion is that both are nuts. But I suppose that it is OK for you to be a bigot against one group versus the other. I think that both groups are an example of what makes this country great. Different strokes I guess.

Shockingly enough homosexuality is not actually equal to someone beliving their son is magically casting the i love you demons out of people.
 

spidey07

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I already responded to that. Did he say to believe in fairies and the tooth fairy?

He said the truth.. just in a more shocking way to get attention.

So you honestly believe the white man invented aids to wipe out the black man?

WOW, talk about insane.
 
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2 of our Senators and multiple House members were there.... in support of this guy. Did they come out against him?

If they came out against him, then of course, I couldn't blame them.
And what do you say about Obama and his homophobe pal James Meeks?
http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/5603104

Barack Obama’s Latest Pastor Problem: Chicago's Rev. James T. Meeks

"Chicago, IL — Just as the dust surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's long-term association with controversial minister Rev. Jeremiah Wright has begun to settle comes new reports of the democratic presidential hopeful's connection to another racially divisive public figure—the stridently homophobic Rev. James T. Meeks, an Illinois state senator who also serves as the pastor of Chicago's 22,000 member strong Salem Baptist Church.

Described in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times article as someone Barack Obama regularly seeks out for "spiritual counsel", James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner.

When Obama ran for the U.S. Senate in 2003, he frequently campaigned at Salem Baptist Church while Rev. Meeks appeared in television ads supporting the Illinois senator's campaign. Later, according to the same Chicago Sun Times article, on the night after he won the Democratic primary, Sen. Obama attended bible study at Meeks' church ‘for prayer' and ‘to say thank you.'

Since that time, not only has Meeks himself served on Obama's exploratory committee for the presidency and been listed on the Obama's campaign website as one of the senator's ‘influential black supporters', but his church choir was called on to raise their voices in praise at a rally the night Obama announced his run for the White House back in 2007.
Interestingly, the Chicago Sun Times has also reported that both Meeks and Obama share a history of substantial campaign contributions from indicted real estate magnate Tony Rezko.

The problem for Obama is that Rev. James Meeks, like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, preaches a message that appears to be directly at odds with the promise of hope, unity and bridging social, racial and political divisions upon which his campaign is built.

Over the years, Rev. Meeks has garnered significant media attention as a result of a number of racially charged remarks he's made from both behind and out in front of the pulpit. Most notably, in 2006, Meeks came under fire for an inflammatory sermon he gave in which he savaged Chicago mayor Richard Daley and others, including African-Americans who were Daley allies.

In the course of July 5, 2006 attack, Rev. James Meeks ranted:
"We don't have slave masters. We got mayors. But they still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able, or to be educated."

"You got some preachers that are house awesome people. You got some elected officials that are house awesome people. And rather than them trying to break this up, they gonna fight you to protect this white man," Meeks said in a sermon tape which he later defended in an interview with Chicago CBS2 reporter, Mike Flannery.

Perhaps of even more concern than race-baiting diatribes like these is Rev. Meeks disturbing history of antagonism towards the LGBT community.

A spring 2007 newsletter from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) named Meeks one of the "10 leading black religious voices in the anti-gay movement". The newsletter cites him as both "a key member of Chicago's ‘Gatekeepers' network, an interracial group of evangelical ministers who strive to erase the division between church and state" and "a stalwart anti-gay activist… [who]… has used his House of Hope mega-church to launch petition drives for the Illinois Family Institute (IFI), a major state-level ‘family values' pressure group that lauded him last year for leading African Americans in ‘clearly understanding the threat of gay marriage.'"

The SPLC newsletter also noted that, "Meeks and the IFI are partnered with Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council and the Alliance Defense Fund, major anti-gay organizations of the Christian Right. They also are tightly allied with Americans for Truth, an Illinois group that said in a press release last year that ‘fighting AIDS without talking against homosexuality is like fighting lung cancer without talking against smoking.'"

On a more personal level, Meeks has reportedly blamed "Hollywood Jews for bringing us Brokeback Mountain" and actively campaigned to defeat SB3186, an Illinois LGBT non-discrimination bill, while serving in the Illinois state legislature alongside Obama. According to a 2006 Chicago Sun Times article, his church sponsored a "Halloween fright night" which "consigned to the flames of hell two mincing young men wearing body glitter who were supposed to be homosexuals."

And so here we are again confronted with a situation in which Barack Obama's choice of allies is likely to confound voters. Though his relationship with Rev. Meeks is not nearly as significant as his affiliation with "spiritual mentor" Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Sen. Obama's ties to Meeks are nonetheless disconcerting, particularly in the wake of his recent address on race in America and his campaign's early fumble surrounding the decision to invite homophobic gospel artist Donnie McClurkin to perform at a campaign Faith and Family Values fundraiser in South Carolina.

Some, like CNN contributor Roland S. Martin (who, for the record, is a member of Meeks' Salem Baptist Church), say, as he did in a recent commentary on the cable news network: "Everyone has an association that is open for scrutiny. Our real focus should be on the candidates and their views on the issues, because one of them will stand before the nation and take the oath of office and swear to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States."

But the question remains: At what point must a candidate for the highest office in the United States be held accountable for the small coterie of individuals who make up his or her inner circle and potentially bear influence on his interpretation of the constitution? And at what point does the benefit of the doubt give way to guilt by association?

Moreover, how can a candidate cultivate a constituency like that of Rev. James Meek, essentially espousing a shared belief in their value system, become an effective and powerful advocate on behalf of issues like LGBT rights that run counter to fundamental agenda of that constituency without experiencing severe repercussions? The answer is he can't.

Just as Hillary Clinton cannot cherry pick the successes and pitfalls from her husband's administration that suit her campaign, neither can Barack Obama divorce himself from the implications surrounding the bedfellows he has made over the course of his relatively short political career.
Put even more plainly... Barack Obama can't have it both ways, which increasingly seems to be his campaign's modus operandi.

While it is altogether plausible that, in the spirit of bringing hope and unity, a civil rights leader might sit down with members of white supremacist groups to address racial differences, it is another thing entirely to propose that the same civil rights leader could count any of those white supremacists among his closest friends because he finds them to be inspirational people if, you know, you take that pesky race thing out of the equation.

Similarly, while potentially capable of co-existing peacefully in an environment of mutual respect, the homophobe and the LGBT rights advocate aren't likely to be found cooing at or canoodling with one another in private because they share so many other common interests. Yet these are precisely the kinds of scenarios that Barack Obama asks the American people to accept on faith each and every time unsavory questions arise about the associates with whom he has chosen to surround himself. Ultimately, it is this porous type of reaction that may be Sen. Obama's undoing. But, then again, perhaps not.

Obama's critically well-received speech on race in response to the Jeremiah Wright scandal seems to have quieted mainstream concern over the senator's views about race while simultaneously forcing the media to tip toe around discussing race as it pertains to his campaign to become the Democratic presidential nominee. So maybe talk about Rev. James Meek and Barack Obama will summarily disappear from the political radar, but one thing is for sure —it shouldn't.

Growing up, my octogenarian grandmother always told me, "If you lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleas." Life and experience have taught me she was right, which says to me that in light of his cozy relationship with anti-gay poster child, Rev. James Meeks, Barack Obama ought to be feeling awfully itchy right about now."
 

Red Dawn

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Just goes to show that distancing ones self from Religion keeps the crazy factor at bay.
 

fskimospy

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Well, to many liberals, conservatives are a sin. Ditto ditto.

Yes, of course liberals think of conservatives in the same way the Nazis did the Jews. I'm sure Utauschwitz is being built as we speak. Where do you come up with these ideas? Who are these people who you believe think this way?
 

Red Dawn

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Yes, of course liberals think of conservatives in the same way the Nazis did the Jews. I'm sure Utauschwitz is being built as we speak. Where do you come up with these ideas? Who are these people who you believe think this way?
I think Atreus is confusing being an asshole as being a sinner.
 

Red Dawn

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So any of the senators or reps who associated with this guy can say "he's not the pastor I once knew" and then it's all A-OK!
It sucks they even have to pretend to be religious just to get elected because whackjobs like you won't elect someone who's not as delusional as yourself.