Republican Plan B raises taxes on the poor.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/plan-b-actually-raise-taxes-184648865.html

'Plan B' Would Actually Raise Taxes on the Poor

One of the touted benefits of "Plan B" is that it only raises taxes for those making $1 million or more. As Eric Cantor said this morning, the plan would raise revenue "without hurting many small businesses" or taxpayers.

But a closer look at the tax impacts of Plan B shows that while it raises taxes on most million-plus earners, it also raises takes for many low-income earners.

The non-partisan Tax Policy Center found that the average taxpayer earning $1 million or more in cash income would see their taxes go up by an average of $72,000. A small number of those million-plus earners will see a tax cut, due to an anomaly in the Alternative Minimum Tax.

But lower income earners will also see a tax hike. People making between $10,000 to $20,000 will see their taxes go up by an average of $262. People making $20,000 to $30,000 will see their taxes go up by $219. (Read more: How Much Would Taxing the Rich Raise?)

Granted, those are minor increases. But drilling down deeper, you find that some of those low-income earners could see a sizable increase. One in five of Americans who earn less than $20,000 a year will see an increase of $1,070 -- a sizeable amount for low-income earners.


In fact, the only taxpayers who will get an overall tax cut under Plan B are those who earn between $200,000 and $1 million. People making between $200,000 and $500,000 will see an average tax cut of $301. Those making between $500,000 and $1 million will see their taxes go down by $164.

The reason is that Plan B has two parts - raising taxes on high earners and eliminating deductions for low earners. The plan raises the tax rate for those making $1 million or more to 39.6 percent from its current rate of 35 percent. It would also raise the capital gains and dividend tax rates for those earners to 20 percent from 15 percent.

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Lets see the Republicans talk their way out of this one.
 

hal2kilo

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/plan-b-actually-raise-taxes-184648865.html

'Plan B' Would Actually Raise Taxes on the Poor

One of the touted benefits of "Plan B" is that it only raises taxes for those making $1 million or more. As Eric Cantor said this morning, the plan would raise revenue "without hurting many small businesses" or taxpayers.

But a closer look at the tax impacts of Plan B shows that while it raises taxes on most million-plus earners, it also raises takes for many low-income earners.

The non-partisan Tax Policy Center found that the average taxpayer earning $1 million or more in cash income would see their taxes go up by an average of $72,000. A small number of those million-plus earners will see a tax cut, due to an anomaly in the Alternative Minimum Tax.

But lower income earners will also see a tax hike. People making between $10,000 to $20,000 will see their taxes go up by an average of $262. People making $20,000 to $30,000 will see their taxes go up by $219. (Read more: How Much Would Taxing the Rich Raise?)

Granted, those are minor increases. But drilling down deeper, you find that some of those low-income earners could see a sizable increase. One in five of Americans who earn less than $20,000 a year will see an increase of $1,070 -- a sizeable amount for low-income earners.


In fact, the only taxpayers who will get an overall tax cut under Plan B are those who earn between $200,000 and $1 million. People making between $200,000 and $500,000 will see an average tax cut of $301. Those making between $500,000 and $1 million will see their taxes go down by $164.

The reason is that Plan B has two parts - raising taxes on high earners and eliminating deductions for low earners. The plan raises the tax rate for those making $1 million or more to 39.6 percent from its current rate of 35 percent. It would also raise the capital gains and dividend tax rates for those earners to 20 percent from 15 percent.

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Lets see the Republicans talk their way out of this one.

It'll be DOA when it gets to the Senate.

http://news.msn.com/politics/republicans-push-their-own-plan-as-‘fiscal-cliff’-talks-languish
 
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child of wonder

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Won't pass the Senate or President's veto so it doesn't matter.

Here's what's going to happen: Dems and Repubs will argue and posture until the last minute and then magically poop out some pile of shit bill that accomplishes nothing but kicks the can down the road until the end of next year.
 

sm625

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They both raise taxes on the poor. Every dollar of deficit spending needs to be accounted for on someone's balance sheet. That balance sheet ends up being the balance sheet of the federal reserve. The Fed has been consistently and regularly printing about $1 for every dollar of annual deficit. Total money and credit in the system is roughly 50 trillion (give or take a few trillion, doesnt matter) So they are inflating money & credit by roughly 2% per year. That is basically where our inflation comes from these days. (It's that way at the end of all debt cycles.)

As an interesting aside, note that total money and credit would be in contraction right now if not for this rampant money printing, and we would actually be in deflation. Omgosh no we cant have that, because then the financial sector would have to contract. And we cant have that either. God forbid the finance sector consume only 5% of the economy instead of the 20% of the economy it is consuming now.

All of this is bad for the poor because all this printed money works its way through the financial system first. That is why and how it has grown to consume 20% of the economy. And obviously very few people workign in finance can qualify as being "poor". Most are firmly in the top 2%, who are getting richer while the bottom 98% of the economy is in recession and has never left recession the past 5 years or even 13 years, depending on which facts you look at.

All in all, its a pretty nice racket. 2 wolves have convinced 98 sheep to eat sheep for dinner. And the idiot sheep never even realize they're frickin cannibalizing themselves.
 
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Thump553

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The GOP will come with their REAL plan/acceptance tomorrow or Saturday at the latest-the real deadline involved here is not Jan 1st, but whether Congress can adjourn for Christmas. Rest assured these clowns are not going to work through the holiday on this self-manufactured "criris.

This Plan B is just meaningless posturing, like their 30+ repeals of Obamacare earlier this year.
 

Screech

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I find it hard to believe that republicans would support Plan B.....

....... ;)
 

BoberFett

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Taxes should be raised on the poor. And the rich. And everyone in between. We need to pay for the government we demand. Enough of this bullshit where everybody wants their government cheese but wants somebody else to pay for it.
 
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Taxes should be raised on the poor. And the rich. And everyone in between. We need to pay for the government we demand. Enough of this bullshit where everybody wants their government cheese but wants somebody else to pay for it.

Agreed. Why do liberals support this nonsense? They have no right to do this and its clearly for votes.
 

Matt1970

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From a link in that article.

Raising taxes to 39.6 percent on the Obama Rich would yield around $40 billion to $45 billion in added tax revenue in the first year of the president's plan.

Yep, $45 Billion will close a $1 Trillion Deficit.
 

chucky2

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Other than charging people who live below the poverty line more (pointless), or even up to say $20k single/$30k joint, nothing listed in that graphic looks all that horrible to me, other than the red. Make the red the same % as 10-20k and call it a day.

The Fed doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. Well, they have both, but, first, they have a spending problem. Spend time and political cap fixing the spending problem for real - not in the fake manner they do - and then circle back and work on upping the revenue.

This is the typical DC circle jerk. No matter what gets passed, it's all BS. Lemmings eat it up...

Chuck
 

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I won't get the news story from main stream media that I read earlier But its said the same thing This link says . Your source is a demonic source that lies Plan B is 1 thing and 1 thing only . The tax increase on greater than 1 million yearly income . All the news media that is on tv say the exact same thing . PLAN B is a tax increase only . The rest will be done after Jan 1st .

Nice try but your source lies. There is another part to B they want to take care of also that increases taxes @ 35,000 Plan B would raise that to 72,000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp7ZK3U6ztA
 
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nehalem256

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and this is all anyone that supports any increase in taxes should hear. they might then realize that spending is the problem, not "revenue"

Cutting $1 Billion in funding for Planned Parenthood isn't going to close a $1 Trillion budget either.

That is all anyone that opposes any increase in taxes should hear.
 

Fern

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Lets see the Republicans talk their way out of this one.

I don't think they need add any spin, you've already brought enough of that to the table.

My understanding is that Plan A and Plan B are identical except for $250k change to $1 million. I.e., Obama's plan has the same increase for lower earners.

TBH I haven't researched it much. No point as it will be changed anyway. Well, there's that and the world ends tomorrow at 11:11 PM IIRC.

Fern
 

Nemesis 1

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Did you miss the chart where Republican's proposed to raise taxes on the rich? ;)

No what made you think i missed it . I clearly stated increase on those making 1 mil. The next part were they cut entitlements . So far its a small cut amounts to a few dollars . But that not part of B they still have to hammer out the cuts
 

Nemesis 1

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I was j/k.

Fern

I know I lol . i just didn't want you thinking i believed it . Hell I don't believe this is 2012. Facts we can check . Year Harod died the jew king 4bc. The Roman ruler at christ death . came to power in 3ad that 7 missing years the HRCC went back 4 years to split the differance . So we have a 1 missing year. They even taught us that in the Hrcc school I attended. But its common easy to find info
 

ElFenix

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i'm tired of subsidizing people who choose to have kids and choose to buy houses, f their deductions.
 

boochi

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It's time to cleanse this country of many of the takers by any means necessary.