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Republican Lt Gov Candidate All Non-Christians Practice False Religion

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Aegeon

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At a morning sermon Sunday in Northern Virginia, Republican lieutenant governor candidate E.W. Jackson, a Chesapeake pastor, said people who don’t follow Jesus Christ “are engaged in some sort of false religion.”

Jackson offered that view while describing a list of the “controversial” things he believes, and that must be said, as a Christian.

“Any time you say, ‘There is no other means of salvation but through Jesus Christ, and if you don’t know him and you don’t follow him and you don’t go through him, you are engaged in some sort of false religion,’ that’s controversial. But it’s the truth,” Jackson said, according to a recording of the sermon by a Democratic tracker.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e9829e-246e-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

If nothing else I suppose at some level I have to give him credit for being remarkably honest about his beliefs while in the middle of a political campaign.

I do wonder if next week he is going to go to a synagogue and announce "Even though you all practice a sort of false religion I am still willing to accept your votes for me as a Lt Governor of Virginia."?😉

Maybe the issue is no-one ever clarified to him that there are actually people who are not Christian living in Virginia and the qualifications for a statewide officer are different than being a preacher at an evangelical church...
 
He's a pastor, it's what I'd expect him to say in church. As far as politics, it would have been far better had he said nothing.

But you can look at this way:

- Every other religion believes substantially the same thing. No one purposefully follows the 'wrong' religion.

- With the exception of 'his' religion, he and atheists agree 100%.

Fern
 
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So? OMG he has an opinion about something!!! He's a pastor. In church. As long as he's not trying to push legislation pushing his religion on everyone, who cares?
 
Add another halfwit to the list. Him and the democrat that said children should die would make such a cute couple, and that way they wouldn't breed.
 
Fern said:
He's a pastor, it's what I'd expect him to say in church. As far politics, it would have been far better had he said nothing.
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When someone who is currently the Republican nominee for statewide office for an election this next November feels free to say stuff like this it seems worthy of comment.

Certainly a substantial portion of religious leaders today would be inclined to acknowledge those with different beliefs have genuine religious beliefs and practices of their own with the distinction being that their own is the most correct path theologically. The way EW Jackson stated it he was effectively suggesting that other religions are not in any way legitimate with a possible suggestion that those in question are "faking" having any true religious beliefs at all.
 
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Take a good look religious republicans - this is the kind of guy that will ultimately be responsible for your kind sliding into political irrelevancy.

Given his ecumenical benevolent statements concerning religions other than his own, I can't imagine why some people would be paranoid about him possibly letting his religious subscription bleed into his potential duties. I mean, it's not like there are republicans with a history of that, right? They wouldn't let differences of opinion on politics or religion affect the workplace, or taint legislation being worked on?


Nahhhhhhhh.
 
Fern said:
He's a pastor, it's what I'd expect him to say in church. As far politics, it would have been far better had he said nothing.

But you can look at this way:

- Every other religion believes substantially the same thing. No one purposefully follows the 'wrong' religion.

- With the exception of 'his' religion, he and atheists agree 100%.

Fern
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Even the Pope has come out and said that an atheist can make it into heaven if they lead a good life and are a good person. Someone running for public office needs to be inclusive not exclusive. You know like Romney's "fuck 47% of the nation" speech.
 
Aegeon said:
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Certainly a substantial portion of religious leaders today would be inclined to acknowledge those with different beliefs have genuine religious beliefs and practices of their own with the distinction being that their own is the most correct path theologically. The way EW Jackson stated it he was effectively suggesting that other religions are not in any way legitimate with a possible suggestion that those in question are "faking" having any true religious beliefs at all.
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I don't see how that interpretation is reasonable.

He's merely saying something along the lines that if you're not a Christian you're not going to heaven. In no way does that remark imply others aren't genuine, it's that they are mistaken.

Fern
 
thraashman said:
Even the Pope has come out and said that an atheist can make it into heaven if they lead a good life and are a good person. Someone running for public office needs to be inclusive not exclusive. You know like Romney's "fuck 47% of the nation" speech.
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So he and the Pope do not agree on theology.

He is a pastor speaking in church, he must stick to his church's theology.

Romney's speech was political. This guy's was not. Two vastly different things. His remarks are in no way about inclusivity or exclusivity, again they were about theology.

Fern
 
Fern said:
I don't see how that interpretation is reasonable.

He's merely saying something along the lines that if you're not a Christian you're not going to heaven. In no way does that remark imply others aren't genuine, it's that they are mistaken.

Fern
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You need to look at what he actually said again because the statement went well beyond what you are claiming.

He didn't merely say they held false or mistaken religious beliefs, but that they were part of false religions. That was a pretty explicit attack on the legitimacy of those other religions. You can argue he really just meant it in the way you are stating it, but at an absolute minimum this sort of degree of carelessness from someone who is running for a position which could make them Governor of Virginia under certain circumstances seems worthy of comment.
 
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I think this falls under the "no shit" category.

Would he believe in Christianity if he felt it was not the true religion? Of course not.
 
Fern said:
Romney's speech was political. This guy's was not. Two vastly different things. His remarks are in no way about inclusivity or exclusivity, again they were about theology.

Fern
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Actually you seem to be ignoring key details about the circumstances of the speech in question.

While nominally a sermon, the introduction clearly was virtually identical to a campaign stop and he specifically spoke about the church becoming more vocal about its religious beliefs in public during the speech in question.
http://www.restorationfc.com/index.php/media2/sermons/83/rfc-sermon-09-22-2013

When combined this with the fact the church in question was well outside of the area where he serves as a pastor, it certainly had most of traits of saying this during a campaign stop with a true political intent behind the speech.
 
Aegeon said:
You need to look at what he actually said again because the statement went well beyond what you are claiming.

He didn't merely say they held false or mistaken religious beliefs, but that they were part of false religions. That was a pretty explicit attack on the legitimacy of those other religions. You can argue he really just meant it in the way you are stating it, but at an absolute minimum this sort of degree of carelessness from someone who is running for a position which could make them Governor of Virginia under certain circumstances seems worthy of comment.
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Ok well looks like we can agree he ain't so bright if he think he can get elected by saying things like that?
 
Aegeon said:
Actually you seem to be ignoring key details about the circumstances of the speech in question.

While nominally a sermon, the introduction clearly was virtually identical to a campaign stop and he specifically spoke about the church becoming more vocal about its religious beliefs in public during the speech in question.
http://www.restorationfc.com/index.php/media2/sermons/83/rfc-sermon-09-22-2013

When combined this with the fact the church in question was well outside of the area where he serves as a pastor, it certainly had most of traits of saying this during a campaign stop with a true political intent behind the speech.
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Except there is a difference. A Christian can effectively represent Jewish people, Jewish people can effectively represent Hindu people, Hindu people can effectively represent Muslim people, and so forth.

Government is largely secular - non-religious.

This is an entirely different situation than Romney saying the election is taxpayers versus non-taxpayers.


I would also ask thraashman if he would vote for a Democratic candidate who is very publicly inclusive of the tea party, and of rich corporate CEO's, just to test the theory that people often have double-standards when believing their side is right and the other side is wrong.
 
Aegeon said:
You need to look at what he actually said again because the statement went well beyond what you are claiming.

He didn't merely say they held false or mistaken religious beliefs, but that they were part of false religions. That was a pretty explicit attack of the legitimacy of those other religions. You can argue he really just meant it in the way you are stating it, but at an absolute minimum this sort of degree of carelessness from someone who is running for a position which could make them Governor of Virginia under certain circumstances seems worthy of comment.
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This is what he said:

“Any time you say, ‘There is no other means of salvation but through Jesus Christ, and if you don’t know him and you don’t follow him and you don’t go through him, you are engaged in some sort of false religion,’ that’s controversial. But it’s the truth,” Jackson said, according to a recording of the sermon by a Democratic tracker. “Jesus said, ‘I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes unto the Father but by me.”
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His theology is centered on the underlined portion of the bolded. I suppose you would have preferred he say "incorrect" religion, but that isn't the nomenclature customarily used. I.e., religions are said to be "true" or "false" and has nothing to do with the sincerity, or lack thereof, of the practitioners.

Fern
 
At a morning sermon Sunday in Northern Virginia...
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This certainly does not endear him to me, but there are larger issues than a religious man preaching to the choir. His policy on actual issues of government are what would decide his fate with my vote.
 
Jaskalas said:
This certainly does not endear him to me, but there are larger issues than a religious man preaching to the choir. His policy on actual issues of government are what would decide his fate with my vote.
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Fern gave the relevant quote by jesus. That's how it goes and there's no wiggle room. If Muslims believe the same it's none of anyone's business unless and until they act against others.
 
thraashman said:
Even the Pope has come out and said that an atheist can make it into heaven if they lead a good life and are a good person. Someone running for public office needs to be inclusive not exclusive. You know like Romney's "fuck 47% of the nation" speech.
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Yeah, but the Pope's religion is a false religion, so of course the Pope's beliefs are completely wrong. Isn't it obvious?

I mean, Jackson truly, completely, UTTERLY believes. And it's amazingly clear that believing really, really strongly MUST mean that the belief is the only correct belief. All those other religions - FALSE religions - that people say they believe REALLY, REALLY strongly? Well, they're obviously mistaken. Because Jackson's belief is the strongest, and no believer of a different religion can possibly believe as strongly as Jackson does. Wow!
 
kage69 said:
Take a good look religious republicans - this is the kind of guy that will ultimately be responsible for your kind sliding into political irrelevancy.

Given his ecumenical benevolent statements concerning religions other than his own, I can't imagine why some people would be paranoid about him possibly letting his religious subscription bleed into his potential duties. I mean, it's not like there are republicans with a history of that, right? They wouldn't let differences of opinion on politics or religion affect the workplace, or taint legislation being worked on?


Nahhhhhhhh.
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My goodness. I wish I had been old enough in 1984 to see the democrats' reaction to Reagan's re-election.

I'm sure they were all soul-searching about how badly they needed to change to address political irrelevancy.
 
kage69 said:
Take a good look religious republicans - this is the kind of guy that will ultimately be responsible for your kind sliding into political irrelevancy.

Given his ecumenical benevolent statements concerning religions other than his own, I can't imagine why some people would be paranoid about him possibly letting his religious subscription bleed into his potential duties. I mean, it's not like there are republicans with a history of that, right? They wouldn't let differences of opinion on politics or religion affect the workplace, or taint legislation being worked on?


Nahhhhhhhh.
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Doesn't Obama claim to be a Christian? (Maybe you don't believe him?)

Or is that only Repubs have their religion (or lack thereof) "bleed" into their duties?

Fern
 
Atreus21 said:
My goodness. I wish I had been old enough in 1984 to see the democrats' reaction to Reagan's re-election.

I'm sure they were all soul-searching about how badly they needed to change to address political irrelevancy.
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My mention of some christian politicians behaving contrary to the ideals of this country must have hit a nerve, because that was a stupid reply.

I know how mad Carter made people 30+ years ago, but I don't see how Dems wallowing in dismal poll numbers bears any kind of resemblance to the issue of religilous republicans using their office to promote one faith (theirs) over others.

I don't see any real parity between the two groups here. Do you have any examples of Dems doing something like this? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html

A Constitution Fail of the highest order. NC voters must be so proud. Show me examples of the Dems acting so blatantly idiotic and I will call them out on it with pleasure.
 
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