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Republican government shutdown 2025 v2.0

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Jon Stewart rips cowardly Dems:

And he sure did a very nasty shredding hacking job on Schumer and his collaborators. Other late night hosts shared the same stinging sentiments along with Rachel Maddow too. With a mere glimmer of hope that the ACA will survive in some Republican authored watered down form, I say so sorry to the folks who're going to see a whopping hike in their insurance rates and...It seems to me with the probability of the ACA tanking and exorbitant rate hikes becoming more certain for those who used it, everyone else's health insurance rates are going to eventually follow suit because it's just good business practice you see. /s
 
The GOP threatened to nuke the filibuster and the Democrats folded because they didn't want to lose their best tool for denying social democrats any power. How can you be so naive about this shitbag party that is always playing Lucy with the football with us?
Pardon me, but that ratchet video wouldn't even convince a 6 year old. Put it in a mirror and you prove the opposite notion. Your proof goes poof! Linus and Lucy are Charles Schultz creations for his cartoon Peanuts. I never dug Peanuts.

You are right that the filibuster makes it real hard to change shit in America (the very definition of conservatism) and I've always hated it. It at least used to be tough to create one, some guy had to stand there for 15 hours and gibber, squeak, slobber and piss his pants (I suppose they had 5 minute breaks for that). That's gone the way of the 4 pitch intentional base on balls.
 
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Pardon me, but that ratchet video wouldn't even convince a 6 year old. Put it in a mirror and you prove the opposite notion. Your proof goes poof! Linus and Lucy are Charles Schultz creations for his cartoon Peanuts. I never dug Peanuts.

You are right that the filibuster makes it real hard to change shit in America and I've always hated it. It at least used to be tough to create one, some guy had to stand there for 15 hours and gibber, squeak, slobber and piss his pants (I suppose they had 5 minute breaks for that).
The GOP literally had two moves they could have made: (1) squash the filibuster and end the ACA subsidies - or - (2) back down and include the ACA subsidies. You're mad if you think Walmart was going to let the GOP continue this shutdown much longer when they literally get 26 cents out of every dollar spent on SNAP in this nation and massively spend to own GOP politicians. You're also mad if you think the GOP would have let the air travel system collapse in the holiday travel season. The fact the Democrats had the GOP so pressed against the wall and let them out of the headlock without any concession tells you 100% they want the filibuster to stay as it is. They'll say it's about bipartisan norms but that's horseshit and you know it.
 
Feature article ATM at The New York Times

What if Democrats’ Big Shutdown Loss Turns Out to Be a Win?​

Despite considerable hand-wringing in the party about caving to Republicans in the government closure, some Democrats see potential upsides in the outcome.

Link to current article at The New York Times is PAYWALL PENETRATING for 14 days, i.e. until 11/25/2025:


Annie Karni
By Annie Karni
Reporting from Washington
Nov. 11, 2025

At first blush, the deal that paved the way to end the government shutdown this week looked exactly like the kind of feeble outcome many Democrats have come to expect from their leaders in Washington.

After waging a 40-day fight to protect Americans’ access to health care — one they framed as existential — their side folded after eight defectors struck a deal that would allow President Trump and Republicans to reopen the government this week without doing anything about health coverage or costs, enraging all corners of the party.

But even some of the Democrats most outraged by the outcome are not so certain that their party’s aborted fight was all for naught.

They assert that in hammering away at the extension of health care subsidies that are slated to expire at the end of next month, they managed to thrust Mr. Trump and Republicans onto the defensive, elevating a political issue that has long been a major weakness for them.

And in holding out for weeks while Republicans refused to extend the health tax credits and Mr. Trump went to court to deny low-income Americans SNAP food benefits, Democrats also honed their main message going into 2026: that Republicans who control all of government have done nothing to address voters’ concerns that the cost of living is too high.

“The end to this government shutdown does not solve their affordability problem,” said Amy Walter, the publisher and editor of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. “A deal that included an extension of the subsidies would actually have helped.”

That vulnerability is clear in the actions of Republicans from states like New Jersey and Virginia, which elected Democratic governors by large margins in last week’s off-year elections.

Representatives Jen Kiggans of Virginia and Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, two Republicans facing competitive races next year, recently sent a letter to Speaker Mike Johnson telling him that once the government was reopened, Republicans needed to “immediately turn our focus to the growing crisis of health care affordability and the looming expiration of the enhanced Affordable Care Act (A.C.A.) premium tax credits.”

It may turn out that the long-term outcome of the longest government shutdown in history will be a grand-scale political and policy defeat for Democrats. The head-scratching end to a fight they were not willing to see through to victory deflated the party and deepened long-simmering divisions ahead of next year’s critical midterm elections. But in the shorter term, there could be benefits.

Senate Democrats believe that they held together long enough for Mr. Trump to reveal a new level of callousness in his refusal to fund food stamps for 42 million Americans who rely on the nation’s largest anti-hunger program. And they believe all of that helped contribute to a mini-blue wave last week, one that could continue if Democrats can keep the right issues at the forefront.

“We are not always a party that has great message discipline and we kept the conversation focused on the most important topic, which is Republican destruction of people’s health care,” Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, said in an interview on Tuesday. “If that discipline remains, it helps people understand the chasm right now between Trump and Democrats.”

Mr. Murphy had been one of the most vocal Senate Democrats beseeching his colleagues to keep standing up to Mr. Trump and hold the line in the shutdown fight. On Sunday night, when eight members of the Democratic Caucus broke their party’s blockade on the spending package, effectively assuring what many in the party regarded as a spectacular cave in the stand off, Mr. Murphy called it a “major mistake.” He said that Senate Democrats should have held firm in opposition.

On Tuesday, Mr. Murphy said he still feared that any good will from voters who had been impressed watching Democrats actually fighting back might dissipate quickly now that they have folded. But Mr. Murphy said he was still optimistic that there had been some gains from the pain.

“There is still a net good that comes from this,” he said, noting that the December vote that Senate Republicans agreed to hold on extending the Obamacare tax credits will give Democrats another opportunity to spotlight their health care message.

“The silver lining of that agreement is that the issue doesn’t disappear,” he said.

Democrats took a gamble when they decided to use the government funding deadline as leverage to demand an extension of expiring Affordable Care Act tax credits that would stave off premium increases and the loss of coverage for millions of Americans.

Forcing the party in power to agree to policy demands in exchange for funding the government is a strategy that typically does not result in a win. Veterans of shutdowns past know this, and never expected Mr. Trump to cave to Democrats’ demands.

“The hostage taker never gets the policy demand they claim the shutdown is about,” said Patrick McHenry, a former Republican congressman from North Carolina, who helped steer the House through multiple shutdown battles. “Do we even remember what the two shutdowns were about in 2018 and 2019?”

(The answer for most people is barely, and only with the help of Google. In 2018, Democrats buckled quickly without winning legislation they were demanding to grant some undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children work status and deportation protections. In 2019, Mr. Trump ultimately caved in what was previously the longest government shutdown fight without getting $5.7 billion for a border wall he had insisted upon.)

“The shutdown party never defeats a unified majority party,” Mr. McHenry said, “and the Republican Party is highly unified under Trump.”

Mr. Trump may have a unique ability to keep his party together, but he also unites Democrats who might otherwise descend into a full-scale civil war.

“What motivates the Democratic base more than anything is Donald Trump,” Ms. Walter said. And that is likely to be more of a factor in next year’s midterm elections than any long-term disappointment in the capitulation of Senate Democrats.

“He is going to do and say so many things that are going to make the Democratic base angry and frustrated,” Ms. Walter added.

For now, Senate Democrats are looking toward a health care vote next month that they believe will either result in the extension of the subsidies they have sought, or — far more likely — with large numbers of Republicans casting a politically unpopular vote against helping Americans afford insurance.

And they are turning their attention to winning as many concessions as possible on spending legislation, including undoing some of the deep cuts Mr. Trump has made and putting in place guardrails that limit his power.

But Democrats like Mr. Murphy say there is a big difference between silver linings and actual triumphs.

“If we end up passing a full-year budget or a series of continuing resolutions that involve no protections for democracy or health care,” Mr. Murphy said, “that’s a really bad outcome for the country.”
 
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The GOP literally had two moves they could have made: (1) squash the filibuster and end the ACA subsidies - or - (2) back down and include the ACA subsidies. You're mad if you think Walmart was going to let the GOP continue this shutdown much longer when they literally get 26 cents out of every dollar spent on SNAP in this nation and massively spend to own GOP politicians. You're also mad if you think the GOP would have let the air travel system collapse in the holiday travel season. The fact the Democrats had the GOP so pressed against the wall and let them out of the headlock without any concession tells you 100% they want the filibuster to stay as it is. They'll say it's about bipartisan norms but that's horseshit and you know it.
Read the fucking article I just posted in full. It explains why the Republicans were never going to cave in and accept the Democrats demands. That never happens.
 
Read the fucking article I just posted in full. It explains why the Republicans were never going to cave in and accept the Democrats demands. That never happens.
Then they would have had to eliminate the fucking filibuster. It was dead in the water. I mean how dense are you?
 
Then they would have had to eliminate the fucking filibuster. It was dead in the water. I mean how dense are you?
Not as dense as you are. Right now the Democrats are looking pretty good. If this had ground on, not so much. The Republicans will look like shit in 3 months.
 
Not as dense as you are. Right now the Democrats are looking pretty good. If this had ground on, not so much. The Republicans will look like shit in 3 months.
LOL you think the Democrats won this. I mean JFC this is some cope. Then again you thought Harris was gonna beat Trump when it was crystal clear she was a horrible candidate who did nothing to motivate the base. How many times do I have to be right about this loser party? I really wish just once you'd be right, I really mean it. It sucks having the Democrats continue to be the corrupt party I have accused them of being.
 
LOL you think the Democrats won this. I mean JFC this is some cope. Then again you thought Harris was gonna beat Trump when it was crystal clear she was a horrible candidate who did nothing to motivate the base. How many times do I have to be right about this loser party? I really wish just once you'd be right, I really mean it. It sucks having the Democrats continue to be the corrupt party I have accused them of being.
I didn't say they won. I said they'd have looked worse if this wore on.
 
I didn't say they won. I said they'd have looked worse if this wore on.
Why did you post an article saying the democrats won then if you don't agree with it? The democrats did not want to lose the filibuster, I don't know why this is so hard for you to see. Trump told the senate to get rid of it. It was gone if the Democrats didn't fold immediately after the election because Trump did not want to own shutting down the air travel system in the holiday travel season.
 
I didn't say they won. I said they'd have looked worse if this wore on.
Not as bad as R, and in a battle vs fascism you take the relative wins you can.

The uncomfortable truth is that you got a lot more in common with the maga base than you like to admit. You are both fed up by the status quo that you'd rather blow shit up than continue on this corrupt mega donor government for the uber rich.

Remember, maga folks actually believe that Trump is a blue collar champion.
That they sent him to DC to clean out the swamp.
As idiotic as that sounds, it's what they believe.

Clean up DC and have a government for the people of the people. Sort of the same shit you want right?

When Mamdani delivers, shit is going to change.
 
Because they caved when the GOP's only move was to either restore ACA subsidies or eliminate the filibuster. Either one would be a win for progressive voters. But that was not the Democrats objective with this shutdown and now we get neither. Their objective was to look like they were fighting so as to not get slaughtered in the election last week and once that was done they went back to being Lucy pulling the football away again. It's cute you believe the Democrats when they keep finding new lightning rods to blame for why they couldn't do the things we vote them in to do.
The GOP had a third move: to let the shutdown continue to drag on, which it looked like they were perfectly willing to do. So once again, you have no proof that all or most Senate Dems want to keep the filibuster in place.
 
Not as dense as you are. Right now the Democrats are looking pretty good. If this had ground on, not so much. The Republicans will look like shit in 3 months.

Looking pretty good?

Right now I see near universal revulsion how weak and pathetic they are.

People are looking to start a third party rather that vote for these inept cowards, that have done nothing but acquiesce to Trump.
 
The GOP had a third move: to let the shutdown continue to drag on, which it looked like they were perfectly willing to do. So once again, you have no proof that all or most Senate Dems want to keep the filibuster in place.
and that would continue to deny people and companies money, food, and travel.

also called: society.

so eventually the GOP would have to either make concessions for dems, or go at it solo and nuke the filibuster to pass a bill along party lines.
 
The GOP had a third move: to let the shutdown continue to drag on, which it looked like they were perfectly willing to do. So once again, you have no proof that all or most Senate Dems want to keep the filibuster in place.
Did you miss Trump ordering them to kill the filibuster? That shit was dead but got saved by your heroes.
 
To do what has to be done, the filibuster has to go.

Everyone here who thinks Chuck is up for going nuclear raise their hands?

What? No one? Not a single hand?

Damn.

You got ONE year to figure this shit out. Get on it.
 
Looking pretty good?

Right now I see near universal revulsion how weak and pathetic they are.

People are looking to start a third party rather that vote for these inept cowards, that have done nothing but acquiesce to Trump.
I don't think they're inept; they got their base to think they were fighting Trump for the election they won soundly, then went immediately back to being right wing stooges protecting the filibuster at all costs. That certainly is funny to think they somehow won this, such cope from the believers in the party. In January they have no leverage with the holiday travel season over but this'll be the time they fight for the people, honest. :tearsofjoy:
 
I don't think they're inept; they got their base to think they were fighting Trump for the election they won soundly, then went immediately back to being right wing stooges protecting the filibuster at all costs. That certainly is funny to think they somehow won this, such cope from the believers in the party. In January they have no leverage with the holiday travel season over but this'll be the time they fight for the people, honest. :tearsofjoy:
They did get one win out of it, and it was the one I had wanted them to get upfront. Grijalva is going to be seated now, and she is the last vote needed to force a release of the Epstein files.
 
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