Reps fighting tooth&nail to turn USA into chrisitan theocracy; foiled by dirty libs!

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FaaR

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Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog has had a few posts on this topic (as well as several others that are related in a rather disturbing trend): http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/b...religious-bill-of-rights-killed-in-committee/

It's as telling as it is worrying that reps unilaterally stand behind such an obvious move to try and push the US into a religious-inspired dark age of ignorance. The republican party is playing with fire and jeopardizing the country's future when it encourages this kind of idiocy.

I'm overexaggerating and using hyperbole, you say? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Check out what this bill of theirs actually says. Teachers should not be forced to teach anything that goes against their personal beliefs, according to this bill. That one thing alone should raise alarms in every rational person, and there's a lot more where this one came from.

As a person who is old enough to remember a time when knowledge and science was still the most revered thing in America - and not a politician's (mostly lipservice) professions of his or her religious beliefs - I feel very dismayed by all of this. I mean, it's not coincidence that the expression 'rocket scientist' came to hold the meaning it once had. It was quite literally the embodiment of the most advanced, cutting-edge activity mankind ever embarked on, and America was leading that race. ...And then it all got lost, through bumbling and blunders, and lack of vision, and these days apathy and lack of interest in higher education in many youths (who instead dream of becoming media celebrities and rock stars), and a dark, rising wave of religious fundamentalism and a general anti-scientific movement. Cue increase in antivaxxers, creationists, HIV deniers and so on.

Had this bill actually gone through it wouldn't have become binding law, but undoubtedly that would have been the next logical step. And then what? The consequences would have been that any religion would have risen above all human knowledge, wisdom, written history, logic - everything. Not teach anything about the big bang in physics class because teacher believes the earth was created 6000 years ago - well that's just fine, from a legal standpoint. But where would it leave the students?

While I think it's safe to say most Colorado schools would probably not hire teachers who have objections that go against the actual job they're hired to perform, some schools would rather take this to heart, and market it towards a certain aspect of society. And it wouldn't be towards Discordianists, followers of IPU (BBHHH), the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Satanists or even Judaism, Sikhism or Islam. Of course this is a bill written by - and pretty much exclusively intended for - christian fundies.

So when these kids, indoctrinated in creationist dogma - graduate and start migrating out into general society and so on...where does that leave America as a country? The rest of the world isn't buying and eagerly gulping down this kind of crap like it was mom's wholesome apple pie - well, except Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and a few others. From where will the next big scientific breakthroughs come when american kids simply aren't taught anything that goes against christian dogma? And why is the republican party digging themselves so deep down into this counter-movement to reason and logic?

That's what I'd like to know...
 

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I find your hyperbole interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yea, so you're grossly over-reacting to this

I can understand the concern that this sort of thing is being considered at any level, but then again we get the "BAN ALL FIREARMS" people and we're told (rightly) that only a couple people are supporting it, and that it won't see the light of day.

The sword cuts both ways.
 

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I can understand the concern that this sort of thing is being considered at any level, but then again we get the "BAN ALL FIREARMS" people and we're told (rightly) that only a couple people are supporting it, and that it won't see the light of day.

The sword cuts both ways.

I'll sword fight you! Wait, wrong forum... :eek:
 

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Name ONE country (*edit: other than the US, of course) in the western industrial hemisphere that has major parties putting forth legal bill after legal bill with this kind of language in it and I'll agree with you that I'm overexaggerating.

Name one.

I'm quite certain you can't.
 

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I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see how something that didn't happen in Colorado as requiring this much angst. Somebody needs to take some deep breaths in a paper bag.

While not religious myself, I don't hold it against those that are. Why, even our .pres is a god fearing man.
 

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Name ONE country (*edit: other than the US, of course) in the western industrial hemisphere that has major parties putting forth legal bill after legal bill with this kind of language in it and I'll agree with you that I'm overexaggerating.

Name one.

I'm quite certain you can't.

You haven't proved your contention that Republican are at large trying to make a religious state.

The Reps had control of both the WH and Congress before. You'll note that nothing ever happened then. If they were going to ram something through, why didn't they try? Why is abortion still legal? Because the mainstream Republicans have no real desire to tackle such a thing, and there's far more support for an anti-abortion position than for students opting out of biology classes because they don't want evolution taught.

Both parties have their nuts. That doesn't mean that it will pass muster with the majority.

The sky is not falling.
 

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Name ONE country (*edit: other than the US, of course) in the western industrial hemisphere that has major parties putting forth legal bill after legal bill with this kind of language in it and I'll agree with you that I'm overexaggerating.

Name one.

I'm quite certain you can't.

And I'm even more certain that you cannot prove Republicans *are* trying to turn this country into a Christian theocracy. Your rant above doesn't do it.
 

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A rant full of sensationalism, straw men and partisan bias... where do I sign up?

Teaching science does not have to impose on someone's religious freedom. I remember when studying evolution, it was studied as a theory, and the teacher specifically stated that the topic might be a touchy one for some religious people, and that he didn't expect us to accept it as "the truth", but to learn it in a purely academic manner. We all studied it just fine, and nobody's religious beliefs got offended. THAT'S how you teach science. If you are a teacher telling people they are brainless hicks because they follow a certain religious belief, you're not only crossing the boundary of separation from church, but are just as brainless as the people you're criticizing.
 

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I remember in 7th grade, we were going to learn a little about Islam in our social studies class. One kid, who was Christian, refused any of the assigned readings in our textbook since he didn't believe in Islam. I couldn't help but laugh.
 

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You can tell those Reps that they are late to the party, hollywood and the corporations have done and are doing a far more effective job of dumbing down America using the peoples own built in lusts and desires against them while promoting anti intellectualism and stifle critical thinking, all in the pursuit of Americans true religion and God, the Almighty Dollar.
 

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I have to agree with the majority viewpoint in this thread; with a few notable exceptions (particularly Mike Huckabee), mainstream Republicans have no interest in establishing a Christian Theocracy. They are quite content to pander to the religious fundamentalists during campaigns to secure votes then make no real effort to address their issues once in office.
 
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