Reprimanded for my Opinion

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: HBalzer
I feel your pain in high school I once said Hitler wasn't all bad and bam I got suspended.

more details on this?

 

[JRock]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Maetryx
Naw, his logic folded when he decided to sling the 'racist' label.

By his misuse of my point #2, JRock basically stated that a big segment of the black population is uneducated. In a nutshell, that is his message. I consider that message borderline racist. It is not fully racist since he did not proclaim all of them to be uneducated. He could remove all racism from his comments by further clarifying, providing evidence, or by providing suggestions on how to assist the problem.

Umm ... you are doing the opposite of what your point 2 states.

just becaues some black people speak ebonics does not mean all black people speak ebonics ...

his statement had nothing to even do with race. it had to do with uneducated people. i've seen blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, and arabs all speak ebonics. just because the majority of the people most people hear speak ebonics are black does not mean that everyone who speaks it is black.

he said its what uneducated people speak, not black people ...

holy fvck if people can't see that htey are just ignorant. the ones calling him racist are the ones trying to put 2 and 2 together, but are just ignorant themselves.

Its a good point. OP didn't mention black people. The professor is the one that made the connection that a whole race of people is uneducated.

Correct. The assumption was made on her part therefore making her rebuttle to my opinion more racist then my original opinion.

 

[MisterJackson]

What you talkin' bout Willis!

 

[slatr]

Get on bows and tows and tell her how wrong you were about it being a language. Suck up hard and preserve that grade.

Use the Mexican version of spanish as an example. Explain how badly it pisses of the people of Spain who use "proper" Castilian spanish. Go on to explain how you see it is a language however separate.

You can tie this into your first argument.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: JRock
We were talking about Jargon and slang because it pertained to the chapter we were reading. Someone brought up Ebonics and how it is a language I was asked my opinion on it. My opinion was that it was NOT a language it simply an attempt by uneducated people to speak English and a poor attempt at that. I was told that I was narrow minded and that my response was borderline racist. WTF is that about?? You asked my opinion and you got it.

Cliffs:
Asked my Opinion on Ebonics
Said it was Language of Uneducated people.
I was called narrow minded and a racist.

So let me get this straight: In a discussion in a class supposedly teaching critical thinking, you were asked for your opinion on the subject, and having given it you were shot down with no further argument?

That teacher should be fired.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: HBalzer
I feel your pain in high school I once said Hitler wasn't all bad and bam I got suspended.

more details on this?

The teacher was going on and on about how bad Hitler was and I being one who looks to find the good in people said he wasn?t all bad.

He turned a poor war battered country into the world super power in a matter of a few years. Some of the technology that came from that time is astonishing.

All in all I was being a smart ass but I shouldn?t have got suspended for voicing my opinion.

 

[glenn beck]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JRock
We were talking about Jargon and slang because it pertained to the chapter we were reading. Someone brought up Ebonics and how it is a language I was asked my opinion on it. My opinion was that it was NOT a language it simply an attempt by uneducated people to speak English and a poor attempt at that. I was told that I was narrow minded and that my response was borderline racist. WTF is that about?? You asked my opinion and you got it.

Cliffs:
Asked my Opinion on Ebonics
Said it was Language of Uneducated people.
I was called narrow minded and a racist.

So let me get this straight: In a discussion in a class supposedly teaching critical thinking, you were asked for your opinion on the subject, and having given it you were shot down with no further argument?

That teacher should be fired.

never been to college have you? Not being a smart ass

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: HBalzer
I feel your pain in high school I once said Hitler wasn't all bad and bam I got suspended.

more details on this?

The teacher was going on and on about how bad Hitler was and I being one who looks to find the good in people said he wasn?t all bad.

He turned a poor war battered country into the world super power in a matter of a few years. Some of the technology that came from that time is astonishing.

All in all I was being a smart ass but I shouldn?t have got suspended for voicing my opinion.

there is no way you should have gotten suspended for that.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: HBalzer
I feel your pain in high school I once said Hitler wasn't all bad and bam I got suspended.

more details on this?

The teacher was going on and on about how bad Hitler was and I being one who looks to find the good in people said he wasn?t all bad.

He turned a poor war battered country into the world super power in a matter of a few years. Some of the technology that came from that time is astonishing.

All in all I was being a smart ass but I shouldn?t have got suspended for voicing my opinion.

You should have written a formal letter to the school and teacher comparing them to facist Nazis.

 

[PingSpike]

While I don't think anyone would agree that Hitler was a good person or the world wouldn't have been better off without him, it is correct he wasn't all bad. Germany was in awful, awful shape. He revitalized the economy and pulled the country out of a terrible depression. I think one of the reasons the german people didn't ask to many questions is they were just happy some one was pulling the country out of the toilet. And by the time they got an idea about the awful stuff going on in the background, he'd already solidified his power and crushed all political dissent.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: HBalzer
I feel your pain in high school I once said Hitler wasn't all bad and bam I got suspended.

more details on this?

The teacher was going on and on about how bad Hitler was and I being one who looks to find the good in people said he wasn?t all bad.

He turned a poor war battered country into the world super power in a matter of a few years. Some of the technology that came from that time is astonishing.

All in all I was being a smart ass but I shouldn?t have got suspended for voicing my opinion.

there is no way you should have gotten suspended for that.

Believe me I fought it tooth and nail. They said the first amendment doesn?t apply in school and that?s when I went off on the principle. 1 day in school suspension no big deal but saying we have no first amendment in school, I was no happy!

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: glenn beck

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JRock
We were talking about Jargon and slang because it pertained to the chapter we were reading. Someone brought up Ebonics and how it is a language I was asked my opinion on it. My opinion was that it was NOT a language it simply an attempt by uneducated people to speak English and a poor attempt at that. I was told that I was narrow minded and that my response was borderline racist. WTF is that about?? You asked my opinion and you got it.

Cliffs:
Asked my Opinion on Ebonics
Said it was Language of Uneducated people.
I was called narrow minded and a racist.

So let me get this straight: In a discussion in a class supposedly teaching critical thinking, you were asked for your opinion on the subject, and having given it you were shot down with no further argument?

That teacher should be fired.

never been to college have you? Not being a smart ass

While it's been a long time since I've been to college, I'd at least like to imagine that in a critical thinking class, I'd have both the opportunity and ability to defend my opinion with facts and logic.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: dullard
1) A language is something that allows communications in a structured way. Ebonics fits that definition entirely. Thus, ebonics is a language. One could argue that it is an English dialect and not an entirely different language of course. But it is still a language.

2) Correlation is not causation. Just because you speak Ebonics does not mean you are uneducated. Yes, they are often linked, but you are incorrect if you state that they always go together.

3) I take your comments as being uneducated. It is also borderline racist.

I disagree with your second contention and consequently your third as well. Ebonics was NOT started by a bunch of intellectuals attempting to create a new language. It WAS started on the street by individuals who could not speak "proper" English. While I do not contest your first contention that it is used to convey meaning and should technically be considered a language, its very roots are the uneducated English speakers. Just because an educated person has the ability to speak and understand it does not change that fact. Additionally, I find your third contention to be far more racist than anything the OP said (assuming a full account was given) as he did not single out a specific race, whereas in your argument you seem to assume that he singled out a specific race. In this case you have extrapolation which is shaded and confounded by YOUR beliefs and ideas, not the OP's. Your (and the professors) interpretation of the OP is quite alarming considering the stance you have taken that he was being racist.

 

[glenn beck]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: glenn beck

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JRock
We were talking about Jargon and slang because it pertained to the chapter we were reading. Someone brought up Ebonics and how it is a language I was asked my opinion on it. My opinion was that it was NOT a language it simply an attempt by uneducated people to speak English and a poor attempt at that. I was told that I was narrow minded and that my response was borderline racist. WTF is that about?? You asked my opinion and you got it.

Cliffs:
Asked my Opinion on Ebonics
Said it was Language of Uneducated people.
I was called narrow minded and a racist.

So let me get this straight: In a discussion in a class supposedly teaching critical thinking, you were asked for your opinion on the subject, and having given it you were shot down with no further argument?

That teacher should be fired.

never been to college have you? Not being a smart ass

While it's been a long time since I've been to college, I'd at least like to imagine that in a critical thinking class, I'd have both the opportunity and ability to defend my opinion with facts and logic.

not every college I hope is like this, but example Iraq war, I've had a lot of friends take a diffenrent stance on the war with professor(diff colleges) and just get shot down like they have some mental handicap.

 

[KentState]

To the OP, I thought college was for taking the professor's opinion and making it your own. That's where you went wrong.

 

[statik213]

http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/ebonics.htm ?

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: pontifex
wtf? how can ebonics be considered a language? its just mispronounced english.

If anything it is a dialect of English as opposed to a language in its own right.

Maybe had the OP phrased his opinion a bit differently it would have been better. . .although I tend to agree with the OP's opinion. I just wouldn't have stated it as such an unfounded generalization. I'd have maybe said it more like "I think it reflects poorly on those who use it and makes those people seem less well educated because to my ear it sounds like poorly formed and pronounced English." I dunno. . .maybe that's just as bad to some people but the words the OP used do have a bit of a bite. The problem with Ebonics is that it can be difficult to ascertain when people are using it intentionally as a means of individual expression or something vs. when they really think they are speaking properly and don't know any better when using it.

 

[GasX]

Well, your answer did not demonstrate a whole lot of critical thinking...

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
since you are correct, then you should discount those remarks. whoever said that to you is wrong

your professor is an idiot

yup he is a moron.. you ddint include if you professor was of the race/creed that would usually use ebonics or be offended by your oppionion..

 

[JRock]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: FoBoT
since you are correct, then you should discount those remarks. whoever said that to you is wrong

your professor is an idiot

yup he is a moron.. you ddint include if you professor was of the race/creed that would usually use ebonics or be offended by your oppionion..

Female/White/Lutheran

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: pontifex
wtf? how can ebonics be considered a language? its just mispronounced english.

i'm sure the romans would say the same of english, spanish, italian, etc...

pssst.... English is not a Romance language. It's a Germanic language.

The accepted difference between a language and a dialect is mutual intelligibility. For example, even though Spanish and Italian are both Romance languages, its speakers cannot understand each other. Thus, they are languages. OTOH, a speaker of Midwestern Standard English and a speaker of Ebonics English can understand each other, so they are dialects.

Just as everyone speaks an accent, everyone also speaks a dialect. Which accent and which dialect a person speaks can have a large effect on how he/she is received by those listening, positive or negative, just as the choice of words and their presentation can have a large effect even when speaking in the same accent and dialect as one's listeners.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Queasy
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Jive Lady: Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!

FYI, Jive lady was Barbara Billingsley AKA June Clever from Leave it to beaver.

 

[shimsham]

wtf does race have to do with language?

 

[cougar78]

I still remember when I was stationed at Pearl Harbor the heated debate in the school systems about Teachers using Pigeon dialect when teaching class.
I just thought it was a bit odd that teachers wanted to teach using pigeon. While I understand that it is very commonly accepted spanning from poverty to very rich all speaking it. I just think that it is a contradiction in certain learning environments to teach proper english by speaking pigeon(unproper english).

In this and the other cases brought up, as others have said these are dialects not languages.

 

[Ronstang]

Ebonics is a trainwreck of lack of education and cultural laziness and irresponsibility. Calling it a language implies that Blacks have neither the intellect nor the discipline to learn proper English. Crys of racism are the only retort a liberal has when confronted with a truth that does not support their agenda. Your professor is and idiot but he does control your grades so learn not to have an opinion in his biased class. Learning to get through college with good grades when dealing with the liberal biased professors is as much a part of your education as is the actual material being taught in class.