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[RGN]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

OS X has a very large (compared to linux) industry backing. There are actually games and office suites available to OS X.

It does? compared to Linux? I wouldn't think so... and yes, there are actually games and office suites available for Linux too... not MS office though... wonder why?

When was the last time you went to best buy and were able to buy one of these for Linux?

Mac has Warcraft III, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Star Wars Galatic Battlegrounds, The Sims Hot Date, Black and White, Civ III...


I didn't think so.


MS office is pretty much the accepted standard for Office apps, no matter how sorry you think it is. If you cannot seemlessly use MS files, then you are going to miss out on business.

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: SnapIT

OS X has a very large (compared to linux) industry backing. There are actually games and office suites available to OS X.

It does? compared to Linux? I wouldn't think so... and yes, there are actually games and office suites available for Linux too... not MS office though... wonder why?

When was the last time you went to best buy and were able to buy one of these for Linux?

Mac has Warcraft III, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Star Wars Galatic Battlegrounds, The Sims Hot Date, Black and White, Civ III...


I didn't think so.


MS office is pretty much the accepted standard for Office apps, no matter how sorry you think it is. If you cannot seemlessly use MS files, then you are going to miss out on business.

I was at the store in the mall today and they were on the shelf. As for office... see openoffice.

 

[kami]

Once again, I don't belive that Macs have the same support for games the Windows warez community has, but, if you buy games, then you can get just about everything.

Curious...but does Mac support Neverwinter Nights? What about Unreal Tournament 2003 when it comes out? Unreal2? Doom3? I doubt doom3 will run on a mac even if they make a port because Macs don't have the 3d hardware to handle it. Months ago they were boasting about their "incredible GF2 MX graphics." I know Quake3 has mac support...so am I to assume that Medal of Honor Allied Assault, Soldier of Fortune 2, Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast all support Mac since they are quake3 engine? I would be impressed if all of these games did run on a mac.

Where do you buy mac games anyway? I never see them for sale! are they more pricey than PC games?

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: kami

Once again, I don't belive that Macs have the same support for games the Windows warez community has, but, if you buy games, then you can get just about everything.

Curious...but does Mac support Neverwinter Nights? What about Unreal Tournament 2003 when it comes out? Unreal2? Doom3? I doubt doom3 will run on a mac even if they make a port because Macs don't have the 3d hardware to handle it. Months ago they were boasting about their "incredible GF2 MX graphics." I know Quake3 has mac support...so am I to assume that Medal of Honor Allied Assault, Soldier of Fortune 2, Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast all support Mac since they are quake3 engine? I would be impressed if all of these games did run on a mac.

Where do you buy mac games anyway? I never see them for sale! are they more pricey than PC games?

They cost the same as PC games. You don't think that Mac has the same 3d support that PCs have? they have the same video cards that PCs have. I havent seen Neverwinter nights, or UT 2003 but I also haven't been looking. You can find them at a lot of retail stores, and online... just search for (whatever) for mac.


*edit, forgot to put where to find the games

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: kami

Once again, I don't belive that Macs have the same support for games the Windows warez community has, but, if you buy games, then you can get just about everything.

Curious...but does Mac support Neverwinter Nights? What about Unreal Tournament 2003 when it comes out? Unreal2? Doom3? I doubt doom3 will run on a mac even if they make a port because Macs don't have the 3d hardware to handle it. Months ago they were boasting about their "incredible GF2 MX graphics." I know Quake3 has mac support...so am I to assume that Medal of Honor Allied Assault, Soldier of Fortune 2, Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast all support Mac since they are quake3 engine? I would be impressed if all of these games did run on a mac.

Where do you buy mac games anyway? I never see them for sale! are they more pricey than PC games?

Doom 3 was first demo'd on a mac.

 

[kami]

Doom 3 was first demo'd on a mac.

Huh? Where did you get this? Doom3 was first demo'd at E3 on a Pentium 4 with a next-gen ATI card wasn't it?

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: kami

Doom 3 was first demo'd on a mac.

Huh? Where did you get this? Doom3 was first demo'd at E3 on a Pentium 4 with a next-gen ATI card wasn't it?

no, it was I think Mac world Tokyo last winter.

 

[SnapIT]

MS office is pretty much the accepted standard for Office apps, no matter how sorry you think it is. If you cannot seemlessly use MS files, then you are going to miss out on business.

Actually... i can seemlessly use MS files... so, what is your point, that just because i didn't have to steal or buy my Office Suite it has to be a bad one?

Open Office can use MS files, so can StarOffice... lates updates required ofcourse... both are free... doesn't that suck? that you pay for stuff i get for free?

Sun backs Linux with software, IBM backs linux pretty much these days, the number of Linux users increases day by day...

Regarding games... some games have files that you can download so that you can play them using the win CD... far from all... i am not that much of a gamer, so i really don't care...

But if you wanted both Unix and Windows... you can always dual-boot a PC...

 

[kami]

they have the same video cards that PCs have

Can you give me a link where i could purchase something like a GeForce4 Ti4200 or a ATI Radeon 8500 for a mac? In all seriousness here...i am really curious if you can actually buy this hardware for a mac.

 

[RGN]

Here you go:

http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=2175

 

[RGN]

Well, the GF3 and doom3 were announced for the MAC platform first....

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

MS office is pretty much the accepted standard for Office apps, no matter how sorry you think it is. If you cannot seemlessly use MS files, then you are going to miss out on business.

Actually... i can seemlessly use MS files... so, what is your point, that just because i didn't have to steal or buy my Office Suite it has to be a bad one?

Open Office can use MS files, so can StarOffice... lates updates required ofcourse... both are free... doesn't that suck? that you pay for stuff i get for free?

Sun backs Linux with software, IBM backs linux pretty much these days, the number of Linux users increases day by day...

Regarding games... some games have files that you can download so that you can play them using the win CD... far from all... i am not that much of a gamer, so i really don't care...

But if you wanted both Unix and Windows... you can always dual-boot a PC...

Listen, I understand your point. I use Linux _daily_ I have a dedicated linux box at home. Its not even crappy hardware. I do play game on it.

However, The office suites are not ANYTHING like Office. To make your hardware work its a bit of work. Not something every advanced user can do. OS X brings that all to teh stupid persons desktop. Talk about a OS that actually scales for the users. It can be used by a computer id10t or a power user that needs an OS with bawls. Its not a geeks only OS like Linux.

Linux is just not polished enough for everyday desktop use. Yes, it can be done and yes it is good when you do it. But it is not the end all of desktop os's.

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: kami

they have the same video cards that PCs have

Can you give me a link where i could purchase something like a GeForce4 Ti4200 or a ATI Radeon 8500 for a mac? In all seriousness here...i am really curious if you can actually buy this hardware for a mac.

Umm.. Macs have PCI and (I believe) AGP slots just PCs have... so take the card out of your PC, download the mac drivers and it will work.

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: kami

they have the same video cards that PCs have

Can you give me a link where i could purchase something like a GeForce4 Ti4200 or a ATI Radeon 8500 for a mac? In all seriousness here...i am really curious if you can actually buy this hardware for a mac.

Here you go. Now sit down.

http://www.ati.com/products/mac/radeon8500me/


http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2103270,00.html

 

[kami]

Interesting...but damn that is a long time ago. The Doom3 engine has come a long way from that I think, and I'm sure if Mac was a better platform they would've used it at E3.

So GF3 is available for Mac? how come nvidia doesn't have any mac drivers on their site? Just checked ATI too...they have no mac drives for 8500 or 7500

 

[kami]

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: kami

they have the same video cards that PCs have

Can you give me a link where i could purchase something like a GeForce4 Ti4200 or a ATI Radeon 8500 for a mac? In all seriousness here...i am really curious if you can actually buy this hardware for a mac.

Here you go. Now sit down.

http://www.ati.com/products/mac/radeon8500me/


http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2103270,00.html

i stand corrected on the ATI part, but ech:

The 933MHz and dual 1GHz models ship with Nvidia's GForce 4 MX graphics processor, about a week before the card's scheduled announcement. The GeForce4 MX, a graphics processor with 64MB of on-chip DDR memory, is believed to be capable of 1.1 billion textured pixels per second.

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yuck

Oh yeah, i still don't like overpriced macs

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: kami

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: kami

they have the same video cards that PCs have

Can you give me a link where i could purchase something like a GeForce4 Ti4200 or a ATI Radeon 8500 for a mac? In all seriousness here...i am really curious if you can actually buy this hardware for a mac.

Here you go. Now sit down.

http://www.ati.com/products/mac/radeon8500me/


http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2103270,00.html

i stand corrected on the ATI part, but ech:

The 933MHz and dual 1GHz models ship with Nvidia's GForce 4 MX graphics processor, about a week before the card's scheduled announcement. The GeForce4 MX, a graphics processor with 64MB of on-chip DDR memory, is believed to be capable of 1.1 billion textured pixels per second.

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yuck

Oh yeah, i still don't like overpriced macs

No one is disagreeing that macs are overpriced... (I don't think...) but just realize that they do have just as much support and software availible where it counts.

Hell, I use linux mainly and here I am defending apple.

 

[jthsmak]

All the limitations of a unix OS, with all the benefits removed or buried under layers of candy shell.

 

[kami]

OMG! Just checked newegg:

For the PC: Radeon 8500 64MB "powered by ATI": $119
For the Mac: Radeon 8500 64MB "Mac Edition" $$245!! On top of that, the Macs edition is PCI! bahahaha

 

[Siva]

ohhhh geforce 4 mx! yay

you can't upgrade your mac at all, I can buy a new mobo, processor, vid card, and ram, drop it in, sell the old stuff, and spend about $400 for a next gen machine, PCs are a lot cheaper, and no matter how much osX evolves, it won't have everything I want. I don't see morrowind for the mac, i love that game, kicks major ass. Macs are also slower for gaming at least, and even things like photoshop aren't as fast. The OS is nice, but i'll keep my ugly, reliable win2k/xp for now.

 

[SnapIT]

However, The office suites are not ANYTHING like Office. To make your hardware work its a bit of work. Not something every advanced user can do. OS X brings that all to teh stupid persons desktop. Talk about a OS that actually scales for the users. It can be used by a computer id10t or a power user that needs an OS with bawls. Its not a geeks only OS like Linux.

Actually... the office suites ARE pretty good... tell me what they cannot do that most users use and i will agree with you...

Have you ever tried Mandrake 8? a geeks only us is more like FreeBSD or Slackware...

Automatic installation, just put the cd in and start it up, instructions every part of the way, drivers for almost every piece of hardware you can find on the market that isn't extremely old or extremely new, if it is, you have to use the standard driver until you can download it... just like in win... i have a feeling that the driver support for linux is actually better for Linux than for OS X... but i am not completely sure.... but if i check out Nvidias site... i find the Linux drivers... not the OS X ones...

Linux has come a long way... It is free, it runs on X86 cheap hardware and if you really need to, you can dual boot...

 

[SnapIT]

All the limitations of a unix OS

I would LOVE to hear how you were thinking when you wrote this...

The very point of a Unix system is that it has very few limitations, it has a kernel, around that you can have whatever shell and programs you want... Even the kernel can be recompiled so you can use new filesystems or whatever...

 

[bonk102]

windows is easier, it's a standard, and that is why everyone uses it

 

[silverpig]

It IS a standard, and it IS easier to install, configure and use. Actually, nevermind configure, you don't even have to do that anymore.

Huh? Mandrake is much easier to install than windows, is a LOT faster to install as well, and there is NO configuring needed at all. I can have a blank hard drive running mandrake in less than 30 minutes. And there's no "please wait while mandrake configures your computer -> please wait while mandrake reboots your computer" x3

You install it, reboot, and you're off.

 

[RGN]

Actually... the office suites ARE pretty good... tell me what they cannot do that most users use and i will agree with you...

Have you ever tried Mandrake 8? a geeks only us is more like FreeBSD or Slackware...

Automatic installation, just put the cd in and start it up, instructions every part of the way, drivers for almost every piece of hardware you can find on the market that isn't extremely old or extremely new, if it is, you have to use the standard driver until you can download it... just like in win... i have a feeling that the driver support for linux is actually better for Linux than for OS X... but i am not completely sure.... but if i check out Nvidias site... i find the Linux drivers... not the OS X ones...

Linux has come a long way... It is free, it runs on X86 cheap hardware and if you really need to, you can dual boot...

Yes, I've used Mandrake 8. I even beta tested for the Corel Linux that later flopped.... It had the best Windows like file manager I'd ever seen. (for its time)

Yes, use geeks usually only FreeBSD Slackware (don't forget Debian and Suse) But after using (not just trying) most of the distros out there I actually settled on Redhat. Only because, get this, its low maintenance. There is usually a precompiled version of whatever that runs with little or no tweaking ready to d/l for redhat. I've even spent some time with QNX, AIX and the old school SCO. After ~5 years using *nix's I've not seen a more user friendly package than what apple has put together. It not cheap, but it really is worth looking at.

There are _NO_ really good *nix laptop solutions out there. Yes, again, it can be done. But it is not polished. THe iBook and TiPowerBooks are awesome.




oh, and I know that there are some recent developments, but what about playing DVD's on a Linux box? It really wan't that long ago that it was _NOT POSSIBLE_.