Report: US discussing strikes on Iran

[imported_Aelius]

The US might be able to pull this off. That's probably why they are pushing for the missile shield.

Iran is next and NK to follow. With NK there's a 100% chance of them using any and all nukes in self defense. If any comes near the US they will likely be downed but Japan and SK will be FUBAR for the next couple thousand years.

Iran on the other hand can't use nukes if they don't have em but are likely to try to use it if they got it. I'm willing to bet they would launch against Israel. That's probably why Israel is being sold and is developing some of the best missile defense systems in the world.

I think Bush's plan for a regime change in both Iran and NK is possible.

The aftermath is something the world will have to live with for many years to come and it's possible that untold thousands or even millions will die as a result.

Canada will have no part in this. You won't find an ounce of support with any sane Canadian.

Unlike what the religous fanatics in the White House, many American sheep at home, as well as the fanatics on this board seem to think, the ends don't justify the means.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If they aren't for us, let's kill them.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has a 600Billion GDP with 3-4% spent on their military. Iran ranks #12 in the world. Stop looking at data from 1999.
Saudi Arabia also has a bigger military budget than that. They ranked close to #8 I believe. However, SA has like 100,000 in their military. Most of that budget goes to their toys.

Got a link to back that up?
Iran GDP "$478.2 billion (2003 est.)"
Saudi Military "$18 billion (2002)"

That 477 Billion is for March 2003 when Iran reported their GDP (end of their year). The GDP from March 2003-March 2004 rose by 6.8%. It is estimate that from then till March 2005 it will be 7.6%. Iran's GDP is 550-600 Billion projected for March 2004 - March 2005.

I've known about these from the IMF and World Bank and the data is available on their websites. Iran's GDP % increase at such a fast rate is not because their government knows what they are doing. The government does not allow foreign investments which is destroying their economy. The government controls 70% of the agriculture. Foreign cars in Iran are marked up 100-200%. The tax system needs to be changed and the rise in GDP is because the mullahs have slightly changed the system, but it still needs a lot of work.

Iran is very self-sufficient and therefore they are able to produce more. Their car manufacturing business has spread to a lot of Arab states and is now begging to open up in Europe.
Also Iran sells around $150-200 million worth of weapons each year to various countries (48 countries). Here is a nice little Iranian weapons guide -> Link
Iran also reported a $10 billion oil surplus revenue for the following year and this year it is expected to be much higher this year. Iran's steel market is #1 in the M.E and it has reached 60% of the total output of steel in the M.E.
This Link will show you exactly what Iran exports.

Unemployment is still high and inflation is at 15.5%. There are not a lot of jobs available in Iran.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Does anyone really believe they can keep a country of 60M with lots of natural resources from getting nuclear weapons if they really want it? That is laughable. Like trying to stop the rain.

They have been doing it for the past 60 years. What makes you think it cant be done for another 60?

Getting nuclear weapons is not as easy as some think. If it was we would see more rougue nations with them. Luckily for us only 1 rougue nation does have them(NK) and one other wants to get them(Iran).

Because we did it with Pakistan for 60 years, and it couldn't be done for another 60. Iraq is a great incentive for Iran to develope a nuke. They saw the difference between treatment of Iraq and North Korea, and I am sure they preffer to be treated like North Korea.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
If they aren't for us, let's kill them.

The problem is the people love us. The regime hates us.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

*dp*

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I hope Iran attains nukes as it's the only way to ensure the US never invades. We're a typical bully in that we go for the weak while avoiding enemies that can offer real resistance.

Be careful what you wish for. This is a country who openly supports terrorist organizations who have vowed to erase Isreal and the western way of life.

At what point will you think your wish is not good for the world? When a bomb detonates in Isreal and the whole ME is leveled and millions killed? Or when a nuke is detonated on a subway in NYC killing 8 million people?

This is a very real problem that needs to be dealt with. If this means diplomatic or military matters. It needs to be dealt with.

Iran has little history of external aggression especially compared to the US.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Genx87

I hope Iran attains nukes as it's the only way to ensure the US never invades. We're a typical bully in that we go for the weak while avoiding enemies that can offer real resistance.

Be careful what you wish for. This is a country who openly supports terrorist organizations who have vowed to erase Isreal and the western way of life.

At what point will you think your wish is not good for the world? When a bomb detonates in Isreal and the whole ME is leveled and millions killed? Or when a nuke is detonated on a subway in NYC killing 8 million people?

This is a very real problem that needs to be dealt with. If this means diplomatic or military matters. It needs to be dealt with.

Iran has little history of external aggression especially compared to the US.

Maybe, but the regime came to power because Iranians in 1979 (or around then) hated the U.S. Their whole purpose of being in power is to go against the U.S.

I don't blame the Iranians for hating the U.S when Shah was in power. However, once the regime came into power all the reasons the Iranians hate the West went away and there was no longer any reason to hate the West. The regime in Iran continues to spread anti-U.S/Israel slogans because that is how they came into power.

You know in Iran they give people free t-shirts, food, money if they all line up on the streets of Tehran and march with anti-U.S signs. Then they show these images on T.V.

 

[Duckzilla]

[qSorry, but the bank's all out of money. Bush bankrupted it in the unjust war on Iraq. Why didn't he go after Iran which actually had ties to terrorist attacks against the U.S.?[/quote]

The US has more money than it knows what to do with, lol.

Killining muzzies? Count me in!

BTY, all these quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes make my head hurt.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Look on the bright side, Stunt, we can just sell the Americans their toys and grow fat for 3 years, then step in to look like heroes after the tide of war has already turned.

I love Karma.

We're too stupid to ever step down from our soapbox. Everyone will die before we let that happen. :\

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
The US has more money than it knows what to do with, lol.

Killining muzzies? Count me in!

BTY, all these quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes make my head hurt.

Yea, that explains the sliding dollar and the huge deficits that worry Greenspan. But you know more than him, right, because you're posting from your underwear on an internet message forum instead of the chairman of the federal reserve.

 

[drewshin]

most of the 9/11 terrorists came from saudi arabia, there is evidence of elements within the saudi government funding and supporting al qaeda, yet bush shows no inkling of attacking them? "any country that harbors them"....yeah right, typical republican b.s. - say one thing and do exactly the opposite, then blame the liberals. lol

 

[Duckzilla]

What do you think will happen to the price to goods the world over when the average US citizen can't afford to buy all the plastic crap Asia produces? The prices will drop and the world will have to work harder to make their products cheaper so the the worlds greatest market can afford it. When the dollar drops in value, US goods will be cheaper for the world and exports may actually rise.

Greenspan is worried for the rich, not for me, because I have no money.

Devalued US currency helps the poor and underpayed in America, moron.

Please remove your head from your ass.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
What do you think will happen to the price to goods the world over when the average US citizen can't afford to buy all the plastic crap Asia produces? The prices will drop and the world will have to work harder to make their products cheaper so the the worlds greatest market can afford it. When the dollar drops in value, US goods will be cheaper for the world and exports may actually rise.

Greenspan is worried for the rich, not for me, because I have no money.

Devalued US currency helps the poor and underpayed in America, moron.

Please remove your head from your ass.

WRONG! China's yuan is pegged to the US dollar. Your entire debate falls apart.

 

[phillyTIM]

It's about time - Bush has been such a friggin' hypocrite for the past 2 years, since he knew NK & Iran have been procurring nukes, yet he chastised Iraq and destroyed it for something that proved to not even be there.

IF Bush had any integrity or fair-treatment at all, he'd be invading Iran like YESTERDAY. But we see the true Bush, the hypocrite. The one who will always be a bastardized, illegitimately-appointed President. And he acts like it too.

 

[TheGameIs21]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

The US has "discussed" plans to invade Canada, Cuba, Mexico, Every European Country etc...

As has been stated before, I would hope any administration would PLAN in case there was need.

bunch of Tin Foil Hat Freaks