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archcommus

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So sad, my Sable only gets 15-19 MPG, depending on my driving. This is eating a hole in my bank account.

I would drop to 87 octane instead of 89, a price difference of a dime a gallon, but I'm afraid that'll cause pinging for me.
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: funboy42
What really gets me is these hybrid cars. They advertse them to be so gas saving and such and people are buying them up. Anyone give any thought into what it is going to cost you to get any repaires done on such a vechile. I am sure the mantinance cost have to be super high on one of them. Then they really are not saving you that much as far as the MPG goes. 37 HWY really isnt that huge when you think back on the Geo Metro that got 50 MPG. Sure it was a small car but it wasnt a hybrid and it got 40-50mpg. I am sure with all that extra weight of a hybrid a fully loaded Metro would be faster in the 0-60 range, goes further, and much less to maintain. Hell the engines were so small if it died you just unbolted it. Picked it up. And throw in another one. Because of this it dosent work fo rbig car makers to make these because they wont make any money from you being able to do your own repairs. Because of that they make it not only impossable to do work on hybids but regular cars as well. This forces you to go to the dealer because aside of the engine itself that is almost unchanged its the computer controlled BS, sensors, led screens, and usless crap that makes it unrepairable by the adverage Joe.

The technlogy is there not to have these super technical, high cost, out of this world to maintain, and so-so MPG but people with money are stupid and will buy them. These cars are going to harm the inviroment in the long run. Think about it. The rich afford them, then get sold a few times over the years. By the time the lower middle class and poor have no choice but to buy them you wont be able to afford to get them repaired when a sensor craps out. Whats going to happen then is they get junked. All of these high cost to repair cars are going to over crowd car lots and junk yards because no one can afford to get them fixed down the road. They also dont save sh!t after you factor the cost to repair, fuel, and the MPG they really dont get. We need a revamped metro to come back out IMO if people want great MPG and the car wont cost 30-40K more like 8k.

There's an aircooled VW fanatic who came up with the right engine proportions (bore/stroke/etc) and heavy flywheel and some other modifications, and got (I believe) 44MPG.
 

KingPhil

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Originally posted by: funboy42
What really gets me is these hybrid cars. They advertse them to be so gas saving and such and people are buying them up. Anyone give any thought into what it is going to cost you to get any repaires done on such a vechile. I am sure the mantinance cost have to be super high on one of them. Then they really are not saving you that much as far as the MPG goes. 37 HWY really isnt that huge when you think back on the Geo Metro that got 50 MPG. Sure it was a small car but it wasnt a hybrid and it got 40-50mpg. I am sure with all that extra weight of a hybrid a fully loaded Metro would be faster in the 0-60 range, goes further, and much less to maintain. Hell the engines were so small if it died you just unbolted it. Picked it up. And throw in another one. Because of this it dosent work fo rbig car makers to make these because they wont make any money from you being able to do your own repairs. Because of that they make it not only impossable to do work on hybids but regular cars as well. This forces you to go to the dealer because aside of the engine itself that is almost unchanged its the computer controlled BS, sensors, led screens, and usless crap that makes it unrepairable by the adverage Joe.

The technlogy is there not to have these super technical, high cost, out of this world to maintain, and so-so MPG but people with money are stupid and will buy them. These cars are going to harm the inviroment in the long run. Think about it. The rich afford them, then get sold a few times over the years. By the time the lower middle class and poor have no choice but to buy them you wont be able to afford to get them repaired when a sensor craps out. Whats going to happen then is they get junked. All of these high cost to repair cars are going to over crowd car lots and junk yards because no one can afford to get them fixed down the road. They also dont save sh!t after you factor the cost to repair, fuel, and the MPG they really dont get. We need a revamped metro to come back out IMO if people want great MPG and the car wont cost 30-40K more like 8k.

My wife had a 93' Ford Festiva automatic.

That car was awesome. 40MPG, and yes, I could do 75MPH on the high way with little effort.

Small car, great MPG, cheap to fix.

Then again, its just that, SMALL, CHEAP, and kinda UGLY!
 

BigToque

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Oct 10, 1999
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I'm all for the price of gas rising to extreme levels like $5, $7, $10 a gallon...

When the cost of gas becomes too expensive, we will see some major improvements in efficiency, new fuel types and I'm sure it will incerease the number of people using types of rapid transit such as busses and subways and carpools. All of this is beneficial to the environment.

I can't wait until we run out of fossil fuels. Then we'll be forced to innovate :)
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Stefan
I'm all for the price of gas rising to extreme levels like $5, $7, $10 a gallon...

When the cost of gas becomes too expensive, we will see some major improvements in efficiency, new fuel types and I'm sure it will incerease the number of people using types of rapid transit such as busses and subways and carpools. All of this is beneficial to the environment.

I can't wait until we run out of fossil fuels. Then we'll be forced to innovate :)

I'm fine with train/subway, but busses suck because they take so much longer to get anywhere. I considered using a bus route to get to work, but decided I'd rather just spend the same amount to drive myself and get there in 10 minutes instead of 45.
What would be nice is something similar to the Ansari X prize, except the goal would be to produce a low-cost, highly efficient means of personal transportation.
Increasing gas prices are not good for us; much of that money leaves our economy.
Oh, and crude oil is used for a lot more than just gas for our cars. I'd much rather we develop an alternative fuel far before we run out of crude, so we can keep producing the other materials.
 

Rockhound

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

you don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't. More like fvcking government gas taxes! 40-60 cents per gallon. Think about it. If tomorrow everyone switched to hydrogen fuel (or whatever), boom! Government loses BIG TIME on revenue. What do you honestly think their solution would be? You got it! Tax the hell out of hydrogen or whatever fuel people are using. You think you are going to get away from paying high fuel costs when government has its hands in on it? Dream on...
 

axnff

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If I could get my wife to let me get another motorcycle, the Star Twin diesel (95 mpg, ~200 lb-ft torque, 100+ hp) would be my next ride. Then a little homebrew biodiesel (about US$.42 per gallon for those with streamlined processes and free waste oil from restaurants) would put me on the cheap foreign oil free (for transportation).

A lot of people think high gas prices are the answer. All they do is drive up costs of consumable goods. How do you think all that chicken gets to NYC from Missouri? Or all the sugar (corn syrup) and bread (wheat) get from Nebraska/Kansas/Iowa to the rest of the country? All that stuff costs more. At least in my area (Omaha, NE), all dairy is locally produced. 100% is shipped by truck. I expect the cost of butter, milk, ice cream, etc to rise noticeably in the next couple of weeks. Diesel is now expensive enough that the local MAT had to cut back bus routes this last year; the bus fares weren't even covering fuel costs, let alone maintenance and such. And we already have a piss-poor public transportation system...

I think one of the problems is that most city planners (again, Omaha is most certainly the case) don't give a whit about neighborhood development and truly intelligent city planning. Most homes are >1/2 mile from the nearest bus stop. The nearest grocery store is >1 mile for at least half of our residents. And who has time to walk a mile (15 minutes at least, waiting for traffic, since few main roads that lead up to commercial areas even have sidewalks leading up to them), get groceries, walk another mile carrying several sacks to get home. But you do this 2 to 3 times a week, because you carry a family's weekly food requirements in one trip. Not to mention that the roads are dangerous for bicyclists and it's illegal to take them on the few sidewalks we have...

Good neighborhood development and city planning still wouldn't fix the problem, as too many people are used to the convenience of driving their 10000lb Stupid Useless Vehicle to pick up some nail clippers at the Wal-Mart across town...
 

funboy6942

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Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

you don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't. More like fvcking government gas taxes! 40-60 cents per gallon. Think about it. If tomorrow everyone switched to hydrogen fuel (or whatever), boom! Government loses BIG TIME on revenue. What do you honestly think their solution would be? You got it! Tax the hell out of hydrogen or whatever fuel people are using. You think you are going to get away from paying high fuel costs when government has its hands in on it? Dream on...

Dont forget the talk about also starting to tax every mile you drive soon too. That is total bs. you have to pay the tax on fuel and then they want to tax every mile you drive as well. I say we start over with a tottaly new set of government :)
 

Rockhound

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

you don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't. More like fvcking government gas taxes! 40-60 cents per gallon. Think about it. If tomorrow everyone switched to hydrogen fuel (or whatever), boom! Government loses BIG TIME on revenue. What do you honestly think their solution would be? You got it! Tax the hell out of hydrogen or whatever fuel people are using. You think you are going to get away from paying high fuel costs when government has its hands in on it? Dream on...

Dont forget the talk about also starting to tax every mile you drive soon too. That is total bs. you have to pay the tax on fuel and then they want to tax every mile you drive as well. I say we start over with a tottaly new set of government :)

Yea this just proves government just can't keep its hands off our money. One way or another they will slap you down with a tax on this or a tax on that. Funny thing is I saw an interview with one of these Oregon wackos defending this idea. He said this wasn't a tax its a FEE! Oh right, as opposed to a TAX. Duh, same thing. Fee, Tax. Tax, Fee. It amounts to the same thing - taking my money.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Who said it was?
Which is how the tax has backfired. While it does effectively discourage high fossil fuel use, it also keeps the European governments from helping to develop alternative fuels.

I think their goal was to reduce rampant pollution. And they appear to be successful. Considering they have extensive public transportation systems it would be foolish to think that it would spur the development of alternative fuels when a perfectly useable system is in place as an alternative.
 

funboy6942

Lifer
Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

you don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't. More like fvcking government gas taxes! 40-60 cents per gallon. Think about it. If tomorrow everyone switched to hydrogen fuel (or whatever), boom! Government loses BIG TIME on revenue. What do you honestly think their solution would be? You got it! Tax the hell out of hydrogen or whatever fuel people are using. You think you are going to get away from paying high fuel costs when government has its hands in on it? Dream on...

Dont forget the talk about also starting to tax every mile you drive soon too. That is total bs. you have to pay the tax on fuel and then they want to tax every mile you drive as well. I say we start over with a tottaly new set of government :)

Yea this just proves government just can't keep its hands off our money. One way or another they will slap you down with a tax on this or a tax on that. Funny thing is I saw an interview with one of these Oregon wackos defending this idea. He said this wasn't a tax its a FEE! Oh right, as opposed to a TAX. Duh, same thing. Fee, Tax. Tax, Fee. It amounts to the same thing - taking my money.

A fee HA. lets talk about tolls too while were at it also. they were set in place like TAXES that at the time was to pay off some bill we (USA) owed and then once it was paid it was spposed to go away. HAHAHA that never happened and in IL they just rasied the tolls 50%! Unless you get the toll tracker in your car then you pay the old rate. Your damed if you get it and damned if you dont because now they are sending tickets toyou in the mail if you have the tracker and you make it from one toll to the next to soon.

OH and lets not forget the information they are collecting from you so they can tell where people go durring hollidays and such they can sell to 2nd party companies. It is really starting to get rediculus. Land of the free my big wide hairy a$$!

Oh as far as when are they going to tax on tax. They are. taxed when you get your pay check, taxed again when ever you buy anything no matter what it is food, car, GAS, property, etc. And then if it isnt enough at the end of the year they check to see if they havent taken enough tax from you and if not they dip in your pocket more :) I really dont have a problem with this if my tax money went for real stuff. Like not paying so much for crap. I read the government pays like $50 for a $5 hammer. Get the head guys out from buying usless crap or high wages. They bitch they dont have high enough wages but they make millions on the side with stock (which when you run the country have controll on what stock is going to do so you have the inside on what to purchase or drop), WAR, stuff like this. If it was all cut out we would be the richest country again, we have paid for health insurance, social security wouldnt be going down hill, TAXES would be lower allowing us to buy more stuff and put back into the ecconomy.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Stefan
I'm all for the price of gas rising to extreme levels like $5, $7, $10 a gallon...

When the cost of gas becomes too expensive, we will see some major improvements in efficiency, new fuel types and I'm sure it will incerease the number of people using types of rapid transit such as busses and subways and carpools. All of this is beneficial to the environment.

I can't wait until we run out of fossil fuels. Then we'll be forced to innovate :)

I'm fine with train/subway, but busses suck because they take so much longer to get anywhere. I considered using a bus route to get to work, but decided I'd rather just spend the same amount to drive myself and get there in 10 minutes instead of 45.
What would be nice is something similar to the Ansari X prize, except the goal would be to produce a low-cost, highly efficient means of personal transportation.
Increasing gas prices are not good for us; much of that money leaves our economy.
Oh, and crude oil is used for a lot more than just gas for our cars. I'd much rather we develop an alternative fuel far before we run out of crude, so we can keep producing the other materials.

Exactly my feeling. High gas prices wreak havoc on the entire economy, driving up the price of consumer goods due to their tie ins with the trucking industry, not to mention all the other products that are made from oil, heating costs, etc. If we had half a brain, we'd tax the sh|t out of consumer gas...dump all the extra funding into R&D and incentives and keep the money in our economy while heeding off the problem at the pass.

But that will never happen. Because as soon as gas goes up a nickle everyone will start flipping the hell out, vote out anyone who raised the tax and eliminate the programs. The beauty of America's system is that no moron can stay in office screwing things up to long. The flaw in our system is no guy with a good idea that requires short term sacrifice for long term gain can stay in there long enough to implement it and see the fruits of his labor.

The result: Good old capitalism will use its trail by fire approach to move our collective asses at the last minute. Or we'll die trying.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

you don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't. More like fvcking government gas taxes! 40-60 cents per gallon. Think about it. If tomorrow everyone switched to hydrogen fuel (or whatever), boom! Government loses BIG TIME on revenue. What do you honestly think their solution would be? You got it! Tax the hell out of hydrogen or whatever fuel people are using. You think you are going to get away from paying high fuel costs when government has its hands in on it? Dream on...

Dont forget the talk about also starting to tax every mile you drive soon too. That is total bs. you have to pay the tax on fuel and then they want to tax every mile you drive as well. I say we start over with a tottaly new set of government :)

Yea this just proves government just can't keep its hands off our money. One way or another they will slap you down with a tax on this or a tax on that. Funny thing is I saw an interview with one of these Oregon wackos defending this idea. He said this wasn't a tax its a FEE! Oh right, as opposed to a TAX. Duh, same thing. Fee, Tax. Tax, Fee. It amounts to the same thing - taking my money.

A fee HA. lets talk about tolls too while were at it also. they were set in place like TAXES that at the time was to pay off some bill we (USA) owed and then once it was paid it was spposed to go away. HAHAHA that never happened and in IL they just rasied the tolls 50%! Unless you get the toll tracker in your car then you pay the old rate. Your damed if you get it and damned if you dont because now they are sending tickets toyou in the mail if you have the tracker and you make it from one toll to the next to soon.

OH and lets not forget the information they are collecting from you so they can tell where people go durring hollidays and such they can sell to 2nd party companies. It is really starting to get rediculus. Land of the free my big wide hairy a$$!

Oh as far as when are they going to tax on tax. They are. taxed when you get your pay check, taxed again when ever you buy anything no matter what it is food, car, GAS, property, etc. And then if it isnt enough at the end of the year they check to see if they havent taken enough tax from you and if not they dip in your pocket more :) I really dont have a problem with this if my tax money went for real stuff. Like not paying so much for crap. I read the government pays like $50 for a $5 hammer. Get the head guys out from buying usless crap or high wages. They bitch they dont have high enough wages but they make millions on the side with stock (which when you run the country have controll on what stock is going to do so you have the inside on what to purchase or drop), WAR, stuff like this. If it was all cut out we would be the richest country again, we have paid for health insurance, social security wouldnt be going down hill, TAXES would be lower allowing us to buy more stuff and put back into the ecconomy.

We need to demand the streamlining of our government. It is currently a model of inefficiency.
 

BigToque

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
11,700
0
76
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Stefan
I'm all for the price of gas rising to extreme levels like $5, $7, $10 a gallon...

When the cost of gas becomes too expensive, we will see some major improvements in efficiency, new fuel types and I'm sure it will incerease the number of people using types of rapid transit such as busses and subways and carpools. All of this is beneficial to the environment.

I can't wait until we run out of fossil fuels. Then we'll be forced to innovate :)

I'm fine with train/subway, but busses suck because they take so much longer to get anywhere. I considered using a bus route to get to work, but decided I'd rather just spend the same amount to drive myself and get there in 10 minutes instead of 45.
What would be nice is something similar to the Ansari X prize, except the goal would be to produce a low-cost, highly efficient means of personal transportation.
Increasing gas prices are not good for us; much of that money leaves our economy.
Oh, and crude oil is used for a lot more than just gas for our cars. I'd much rather we develop an alternative fuel far before we run out of crude, so we can keep producing the other materials.

Exactly my feeling. High gas prices wreak havoc on the entire economy, driving up the price of consumer goods due to their tie ins with the trucking industry, not to mention all the other products that are made from oil, heating costs, etc. If we had half a brain, we'd tax the sh|t out of consumer gas...dump all the extra funding into R&D and incentives and keep the money in our economy while heeding off the problem at the pass.

But that will never happen. Because as soon as gas goes up a nickle everyone will start flipping the hell out, vote out anyone who raised the tax and eliminate the programs. The beauty of America's system is that no moron can stay in office screwing things up to long. The flaw in our system is no guy with a good idea that requires short term sacrifice for long term gain can stay in there long enough to implement it and see the fruits of his labor.

The result: Good old capitalism will use its trail by fire approach to move our collective asses at the last minute. Or we'll die trying.

You guys would have loved the transit system in Singapore... it was so nice :)


 

jlee

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Sep 12, 2001
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Looks like I might be buying a motorcycle and moving close to work. :p
 
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Originally posted by: Rockhound
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

you don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't. More like fvcking government gas taxes! 40-60 cents per gallon. Think about it. If tomorrow everyone switched to hydrogen fuel (or whatever), boom! Government loses BIG TIME on revenue. What do you honestly think their solution would be? You got it! Tax the hell out of hydrogen or whatever fuel people are using. You think you are going to get away from paying high fuel costs when government has its hands in on it? Dream on...

yes. government taxes are the reason the price of gas is expected to rise 25 cents overnight. More like corporate greed. The price os oil goes up a little bit and all of a sudden there's another reason to hike gas prices.
 

cavemanmoron

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Mar 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

Kloza said there is nothing that can be done to stop the increase, short of discovering "dilithium crystals," the fictional fuel source used to power Star Trek spaceships. "This one isn't speculative," said Kloza. "The wheels are in motion. It just takes a while for it to deluge into retail."
 
Nov 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

Kloza said there is nothing that can be done to stop the increase, short of discovering "dilithium crystals," the fictional fuel source used to power Star Trek spaceships. "This one isn't speculative," said Kloza. "The wheels are in motion. It just takes a while for it to deluge into retail."

I don't doubt the rising cost of oil should lead to increased prices, but 25 CENTS basically OVERNIGHT????
 

sonoma1993

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the oil company want to make there 400% profits over last year 300%-400% profits gains. with the increase in oil prices, it going to rasie the prices of consumer goods. everyone gonna get evening more poorer the jobs wont give u a good enough rasie to overcome the rise in prives.
 

WiseOldDude

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Feb 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
fvcking oil companies....

They certianly have dumbya's help, gotta pay back all those that put him in power, and fvck over the little guy just for the heck of it....................