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Report: House Health Care Bill INCREASES Costs By $289 Billion

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0marTheZealot said:
Single payer would cut costs. Why is it that America is always afraid of the best options, proven again and again in other countries.

You don't appease the dragon, you slay it.
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We never get the best option in america, we get a watered down compromise that is both ineffective and caters to corporate interests. Sometimes if it's enough to piss us all off enough that the govt is so terrible, they'll roll in a tax cut too.
 
Patranus said:
First of all, what is wrong with going bankrupt? Bankruptcy is an option for a reason.
You can go bankrupt or the entire country can go bankrupt.....hmmmm

So if the government/society currently picks up the tab anyways what would the benefit of the house health care bill be if it actually increases costs by ~300 billion?
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People wont have their lives ruined by getting sick? This isn't a hard concept.
 
Acanthus said:
People wont have their lives ruined by getting sick? This isn't a hard concept.
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People wont have their lives ruined by confiscatory taxes placed on them to pay for lazy 47% of Americans who don't think they should have to pay "their fair share".

This isn't a hard concept.
 
Patranus said:
People wont have their lives ruined by confiscatory taxes placed on them to pay for lazy 47% of Americans who don't think they should have to pay "their fair share".

This isn't a hard concept.
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Half of americans are lazy?

If the current trend continues... and it will without change, that figure will rapidly become 70% of americans... Then what? They are all lazy too?

Were only 30% of americans lazy a few years ago?

You are hilarious. It really is a shame that you can vote.

The rich must be working twice as hard too! They own twice as much as they did in the 80's.
 
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Patranus said:
People wont have their lives ruined by confiscatory taxes placed on them to pay for lazy 47% of Americans who don't think they should have to pay "their fair share".

This isn't a hard concept.
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It's obvious by all your whining, bitching and moaning that you certainly are not paying enough and not your fair share.

Long past time for you to shut up and pay up bitch.

and if you don't like it us real Americans will be glad to wave goodbye to you as you leave the country by your favorite plane or boat.
 
dmcowen674 said:
and if you don't like it us real Americans will be glad to wave goodbye to you as you leave the country by your favorite plane or boat.
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If all of the hard working Americans who actually pay taxes stop, who is going to pay for your health care or social programs.

(And liberals are still perplexed why revenues drop when they raise income taxes - god I miss the days of 2nd term Bill Clinton - There was a Democrat that actually stopped for a 2nd and thought about what he was doing.)
 
Patranus said:
If all of the hard working Americans who actually pay taxes stop, who is going to pay for your health care or social programs.

(And liberals are still perplexed why revenues drop when they raise income taxes - god I miss the days of 2nd term Bill Clinton - There was a Democrat that actually stopped for a 2nd and thought about what he was doing.)
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You do realize that if the rich stopped paying taxes and the govt went bankrupt... All of the nice things you have would be looted within DAYS?

You would get your ultimate lack of govt intervention, like Somalia.
 
Patranus said:
First of all, what is wrong with going bankrupt? Bankruptcy is an option for a reason.
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rofl.

So if the government/society currently picks up the tab anyways what would the benefit of the house health care bill be if it actually increases costs by ~300 billion?
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So people are healthy and more productive. Both moral and economical.

Now go back to school already.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Yes, we pay double everyone else... but single payer "may" cut costs.. that will then vanish.

Can't argue with such wisdom and logic!
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Let me guess. What you know about health care comes from the Internet. Congrats. Your Flying Spaghetti Health Care Monster just jumped the shark. It's not that I'm so smart but being a health care provider who keeps up on this gives me more of an insight than you. I'm going out on a limb and say you aren't an expert in the field since you've demonstrated that you haven't a clue.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Let me guess. What you know about health care comes from the Internet. Congrats. Your Flying Spaghetti Health Care Monster just jumped the shark. It's not that I'm so smart but being a health care provider who keeps up on this gives me more of an insight than you. I'm going out on a limb and say you aren't an expert in the field since you've demonstrated that you haven't a clue.
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"I don't agree but won't provide a shred of proof... instead I will get up on this horse!"
 
Patranus said:
Walk into any hospital and you will get an MRI (if you actually need one) within an hour. The only way you are getting an MRI in under an hour in Canada is if you live less than an house away form the American border.
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So we post a dozen links to back up our claims and you just provide another claim without a shred of proof... gotcha!
 
Patranus said:
Um. You haven't posted a single link that refutes my claim that the United States has increase access to MRIs.
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You must provide evidence for your own claim before anyone needs refute it. As of now, it is just conjecture based on your delusion.

We provided 10+ links to back up our assertionsand you haven't responded to one of them.


For example: I can claim that god exists. Then I can say what you said: "You haven't posted a single link that refutes my claim." Therefore God exists?

Get it?
 
shadow9d9 said:
You must provide evidence for your own claim before anyone needs refute it. As of now, it is just conjecture based on your delusion.

We provided 10+ links to back up our assertionsand you haven't responded to one of them.


For example: I can claim that god exists. Then I can say what you said: "You haven't posted a single link that refutes my claim." Therefore God exists?

Get it?
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What about the Flying Spaghetti Health Care monster?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html
Note the median age increases until about 2035, but the big problem is that their will be a lot of elderly Boomers. Alzheimer's is expected to peak at around triple today's number. Then there's diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and a lot of nasty things that derive from those conditions.

The elderly by necessity use more resources per capita than a younger population.

Day care for Alzheimers patients runs $60 to $150 per day. Assisted living $1500-$4000 per month.

Medicare pays for 100 days of skilled nursing. That's it. By definition, UHC must pick up for those costs.

No you can make a moral argument for covering these people, but things are going to get cheaper?

Oh, looky here http://www.alzinfo.org/alzheimers-assistedliving.asp#5

I figure it's harder to deny the obvious with a link.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
What about the Flying Spaghetti Health Care monster?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html
Note the median age increases until about 2035, but the big problem is that their will be a lot of elderly Boomers. Alzheimer's is expected to peak at around triple today's number. Then there's diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and a lot of nasty things that derive from those conditions.

The elderly by necessity use more resources per capita than a younger population.

Day care for Alzheimers patients runs $60 to $150 per day. Assisted living $1500-$4000 per month.

Medicare pays for 100 days of skilled nursing. That's it. By definition, UHC must pick up for those costs.

No you can make a moral argument for covering these people, but things are going to get cheaper?

Oh, looky here http://www.alzinfo.org/alzheimers-assistedliving.asp#5

I figure it's harder to deny the obvious with a link.
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And? What is your point?

We pay double what everyone else pays and get 40 million uninsured and millions of denials/droppage for our steep price right now...





Isn't it funny that when faced with actually needing facts to back themselves up, the shills here pack it up and just make another troll opinion blog post?
 
shadow9d9 said:
And? What is your point?

We pay double what everyone else pays and get 40 million uninsured and millions of denials/droppage for our steep price right now...





Isn't it funny that when faced with actually needing facts to back themselves up, the shills here pack it up and just make another troll opinion blog post?
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Well considering the fact that you can walk into any hospital and get an MRI in American within several hours yet the only way you are getting an MRI in several hours in Canada is if you live several hours from the American border, I think the question answers is self.
 
Acanthus said:
You do realize that if the rich stopped paying taxes and the govt went bankrupt... All of the nice things you have would be looted within DAYS?

You would get your ultimate lack of govt intervention, like Somalia.
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buzz. we're sorry, try again please. Income taxes make up a rather small portion of government income, but please try again.
 
Patranus said:
Well considering the fact that you can walk into any hospital and get an MRI in American within several hours yet the only way you are getting an MRI in several hours in Canada is if you live several hours from the American border, I think the question answers is self.
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Getting an MRI is not getting HealthCare.
 
shadow9d9 said:
And? What is your point?

We pay double what everyone else pays and get 40 million uninsured and millions of denials/droppage for our steep price right now...





Isn't it funny that when faced with actually needing facts to back themselves up, the shills here pack it up and just make another troll opinion blog post?
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First, there isn't the slightest chance of getting a good UHC plan. The politicians are interested in politics, not improving health care.

Second, I provided sources of costs of one condition, Alzheimers. Considering the aging population the amount of care going to be required for these people alone is staggering. Yet your response is completely unrelated.

Now you wanted facts and I provided them to you. You? The Flying Spaghetti Monster of Health Care says it will all be cheaper, yet you fail to demonstrate how ANY insurance alternative will prevent people from aging.

In another thread you mentioned that Medicaid covers the oldest and sickest part of the population. That segment is going to balloon. More people consuming more resources equals increasing prices.

Now let's see if you have the wit to respond, or will continue to make yourself look like a child.
 
Modelworks said:
Yes and I listed one, that doesn't mean I want to use it over an MRI.
I don't know about you , but I rather have an MRI for severe headaches vs someone drilling a hole in my head.
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Actually you might want a PET scan for something like that. Of course that costs more than an MRI.
 
Modelworks said:
Yes and I listed one, that doesn't mean I want to use it over an MRI.
I don't know about you , but I rather have an MRI for severe headaches vs someone drilling a hole in my head.
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You listed the stupidest one you can think of. Many conditions are as successfully diagnosed simply by symptoms as they are through an MRI. MRI's are woefully over used.
 
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