Report from inside Falluja

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: Passions

My neighbours - a woman and her children - came to see me yesterday. They asked me to tell the world what is happening here.

Ummm....Earth to McFly....news of impending pwnage was known MONTHS before attack. Your city is about to get bombed, you don't stay and then whine about what's going on.

I look at the devastation around me and ask - why?

Because Fallujah is a hotbed of terrorist activity, DUHHHHHH.

Sorry to say, but article is full of BS.

I'm sorry, but most Iraqis would have no way of knowing of an impending assault of this magnitude. This isn't America where every household has a TV and Internet access. DUH to you GrGR.

Nono, officer, you have the wrong man. I'm totally innocent! Passions, did it, not me!

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr
dinkhunter: "Impartial".

Please tell me that you do not believe the US invaded Iraq out of it's noble principles and the goodness of it's heart? That the US does not have ulterior motives for sending an army halfway across the world, at the cost of over almost 150 billions dollars, to a country it had beseiged for over a decade, where over a million people died as a result of sanctions the US had imposed to force a change in the regime?

GrGR, im awaiting your explanation of why the cooalition's entry into iraq was an invasion, rather than an intervention, say.

of course there were ulterior motives to the WMD argument, but people like you had to be kept quiet and the rednecks hoodwinked till the job was done. the ulterior motives were the safe removal of sanctions and removal of an unstabilising influence in the region that would probably have developed wmd after a few years of sanctions-free rule. $25-30 oil was a secondary benefit.

The invasion is illegal. It is as simple as that. The invasion is a criminal act, a war of aggression, also called the "Supreme international crime". The WMD argument was a red herring from the start. It was agreed that the Bush administration would sell the invasion using the WMD argument because that was the easy selling point everybody could agree on.

As for the oil it is not cheap oil in itself the US is looking for. It is CONTROL.

hippie, control means not letting the islamists like al-qaida taking over, its called being responsible for weaker people in the best WASP traditions.

You mean responsible for the "weaker people" in the best Herrenfolk tradition. The US had no qualms about letting the "weaker people" die like flies when the very liberal and WASP Clinton administration ruled the world.

well the us pres isnt supremely able to act in every circumstance and clinton's admin sponsored several attempts at a coup in iraq.

ultimately the shock and realisation that september 11 enegendered in the political mass gave the opportunity to take out saddam under the guise of a legitimate medium term wmd threat, which was presented as a more imediate threat, and this course of action wasnt opposed by informed spectators like the media because they largely understood the wider requirement of removing sanctions from iraq in aide of beating al qaida, and that a sanctions free iraq would probably emerge in a few years as a wmd posessing state which would be in a position to further destailise the local allies we have in the middle east.

of couse there is little hope of you comprehending that grgr.

Yes. That is one hell of a sentence, misspellings and all. But if I have analyzed it correctly you seem to mention 9/11, Saddam, WMD's and al Qa'ida in the same breath.

Please don't tell me you are one of those poor Bush supporting souls who think Saddam and al Qa'ida were actually cooperating.

What does removing sanctions from Iraq have to do with defeating al Qa'ida? Or is "removing sanctions from Iraq" some kind of eupheism for the supposed necessity of a US invasion? The US could have removed the sanctions any time it wanted to.

And what the heck is a "legitimate medium term wmd threat"? Sorry but the WMD threat was not legitimate. There was no WMD threat. It is as simple as that. You can be as paranoid as you want about a possible future potential for a threat but then again maybe China is working on a superweapon that will force all Americans to eat three pounds of rice every day at noon. :roll: The WMD issue was a red herring. That's all. You are correct that the US media lapped it up eagerly but that only proves that they were anything but "informed" nor were they critical of the governement spin, the very first thing the media should be. The media let the US down, and that's a fact mainstream media has even appologized for.

If by "local allies" you mean Israel I think you are correct. The Isreali-US strategy is clearly to dominate the ME region through military means and enforce regime change were deemed appropriate. International law be damned. Or do you mean Saudi Arabia, the main exporter of al-Qa'ida operatives (see 9/11)? Or Pakistan with it's nukes and dictator Musharraf? Or Afghanistan with it's warlords and drug smuggling operations? Or Uzbekistan with it's US supported dictator who boils and torture people to death?

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: GrGr
BBC
'Watching tragedy engulf my city'
[...]

yup, war is no fun.

so..whats the point of the article ? Showing us that war actually means killing, shooting, destruction ? Not really news...
I mean..i didnt expect them doing an assult on Fallujah by singing and handing out candies ?

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: GrGr
BBC
'Watching tragedy engulf my city'
[...]

yup, war is no fun.

so..whats the point of the article ? Showing us that war actually means killing, shooting, destruction ? Not really news...
I mean..i didnt expect them doing an assult on Fallujah by singing and handing out candies ?

A "human interest" story from "the other side" maybe? It's not what you get on CNN at least. CNN only shows resolute Marines firing 155 mm artillery and such.

 

[Kadarin]

Propaganda, at best.

 

[slyedog]

the BBC. so truthful always.

 

[dinkhunter]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: GrGr
BBC
'Watching tragedy engulf my city'
[...]

yup, war is no fun.

so..whats the point of the article ? Showing us that war actually means killing, shooting, destruction ? Not really news...
I mean..i didnt expect them doing an assult on Fallujah by singing and handing out candies ?

A "human interest" story from "the other side" maybe? It's not what you get on CNN at least. CNN only shows resolute Marines firing 155 mm artillery and such.

its more entertaining.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: GrGr
BBC
'Watching tragedy engulf my city'
[...]

yup, war is no fun.

so..whats the point of the article ? Showing us that war actually means killing, shooting, destruction ? Not really news...
I mean..i didnt expect them doing an assult on Fallujah by singing and handing out candies ?

A "human interest" story from "the other side" maybe? It's not what you get on CNN at least. CNN only shows resolute Marines firing 155 mm artillery and such.

its more entertaining.

I agree. Entertainment is the name of the game.

 

[dinkhunter]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: GrGr
BBC
'Watching tragedy engulf my city'
[...]

yup, war is no fun.

so..whats the point of the article ? Showing us that war actually means killing, shooting, destruction ? Not really news...
I mean..i didnt expect them doing an assult on Fallujah by singing and handing out candies ?

A "human interest" story from "the other side" maybe? It's not what you get on CNN at least. CNN only shows resolute Marines firing 155 mm artillery and such.

its more entertaining.

I agree. Entertainment is the name of the game.

well we need to get something out of it. it cant all be sacrifice on our part for the iraqies, n'est pas?

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: biostud666
What prevents "insurgents" from returning afterwards?

They claim to have sealed off the perimeter, surrender or die, either way those that had the stupidity to stay and fight wont be coming back......

Fixed

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: dinkhunter

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: GrGr
BBC
'Watching tragedy engulf my city'
[...]

yup, war is no fun.

so..whats the point of the article ? Showing us that war actually means killing, shooting, destruction ? Not really news...
I mean..i didnt expect them doing an assult on Fallujah by singing and handing out candies ?

A "human interest" story from "the other side" maybe? It's not what you get on CNN at least. CNN only shows resolute Marines firing 155 mm artillery and such.

its more entertaining.

I agree. Entertainment is the name of the game.

well we need to get something out of it. it cant all be sacrifice on our part for the iraqies, n'est pas?

Steely eyed Marines firing the big guns on one end (wohoo, things go big boom, GOOD), doom and gloom on the other end where the shells actually land (argh, people break many pieces, BAD). Oui, absolument.