Report: Ex-Gitmo detainee joins al-Qaida in Yemen

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Obligatory: "He was a good man before he was in Gitmo. He is only joining AQ to get back at us"

Would you?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Americans elected an absolute disaster named George Bush. Electing a disaster has disastrous consequences for those who voted for and against him. This is why it matters how you vote and that you realize that it's assholes who vote for a disaster. Whatever the fallout from repairing the damage know as Gitmo, it's the price we will pay for having a country so full of so many brain dead assholes. Would that it were only the assholes that suffer, but I doubt it will be. But we have met the real enemy, and as always the real and most dangerous enemy is us.

You stupid asshole human turds cowards that would torture the soul of another human to feel safe created this monster shiver in your cowardly boots at the price of repair, you worthless scum.

freedom isn't free

Where were you when dem towers fell?

Fuck you American lives >>>>>>>>>>> terrorist rats

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

So are you saying you are willing to test out a little experiment? huh? tough guy?

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

So exactly how short are you in life? I'm guessing about 5'4.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Sedition

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Obligatory: "He was a good man before he was in Gitmo. He is only joining AQ to get back at us"

Would you?

No.

 

[Rangoric]

Benjamin Franklin thought "that it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer."

I'd rather it not be easy to have someone claim I am an AQ supporter and basically ruin my life. Therefor I'd like it to be hard for it to happen to ANYONE.

 

[Desturel]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It will be very interesting to see how Obama handles this issue.

link

Documents released by the U.S. Defense Department show that al-Shihri was released from the facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in November 2007 and transferred to his homeland. The documents confirmed his prisoner number was 372.

Sorry if my reading comprehension is a bit weak, but if he was released in 2007, what does that have to do with Obama closing Guantanamo Bay now?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

I'm an actor! me so smart!

How's the film actor's guild?

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It is kind of hard to find solid physical evidence if the enemy is capture on the battlefield.

Captured "on the battlefield" with a rifle/RPG in hand is one thing, but what about when his neighbor turned him in, without any evidence at all, just to get the reward money?

Originally posted by: JS80
oh noes they poured water on my face!

:laugh:

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Sedition

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Obligatory: "He was a good man before he was in Gitmo. He is only joining AQ to get back at us"

Would you?

No.

I guess the Pussification of America has spread far.

If I was unjustly taken prisoner and tortured daily by a foreign country that we were at war with, I would be more than willing to take up arms against them.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Many years ago when I was an officer cadet on a ship I had a sadistic Captain who had come up through the ranks and hated cadets (he had never been one). As punishment for something we did (we were 4 cadets on board at that time) he kept me on 2 hours steering - 2 hours off - round the clock. (Yeah those were times one could get away with such bullshit)

This went on for 2 weeks till we reached the next port. I can tell you after 1 week I was like a zombie - just getting whatever sleep I could before being woken up again. Forget about doing any chores like laundry etc. It was just steer, eat, sleep round the clock. Till today I can fall asleep within seconds of hitting the pillow. And no, he did not manage to break my spirit. I was 21, hot headed and more defiant after that. Fortunately I was transferred to another ship or I don't what I would have done to that asshole.

I would not wish such treatment on anyone. If they did the 1 hour rotation at Gitmo for months it would drive them nuts.

I'm glad we're closing this blight on America's reputation.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It is kind of hard to find solid physical evidence if the enemy is capture on the battlefield.

Captured "on the battlefield" with a rifle/RPG in hand is one thing, but what about when his neighbor turned him in, without any evidence at all, just to get the reward money?

Originally posted by: JS80
oh noes they poured water on my face!

:laugh:

People generally don't realize just how few of the detainees in Guantanamo were 'captured on the battlefield'. The percentage is not high. As for JS80, he's just an internet tough guy. He would be crying like a baby in no time flat if subjected to the things he laughs about on here.

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It is kind of hard to find solid physical evidence if the enemy is capture on the battlefield.

Captured "on the battlefield" with a rifle/RPG in hand is one thing, but what about when his neighbor turned him in, without any evidence at all, just to get the reward money?

Originally posted by: JS80
oh noes they poured water on my face!

:laugh:

People generally don't realize just how few of the detainees in Guantanamo were 'captured on the battlefield'. The percentage is not high. As for JS80, he's just an internet tough guy. He would be crying like a baby in no time flat if subjected to the things he laughs about on here.

I noticed that when he didn't answer my question.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Sedition

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It is kind of hard to find solid physical evidence if the enemy is capture on the battlefield.

Captured "on the battlefield" with a rifle/RPG in hand is one thing, but what about when his neighbor turned him in, without any evidence at all, just to get the reward money?

Originally posted by: JS80
oh noes they poured water on my face!

:laugh:

People generally don't realize just how few of the detainees in Guantanamo were 'captured on the battlefield'. The percentage is not high. As for JS80, he's just an internet tough guy. He would be crying like a baby in no time flat if subjected to the things he laughs about on here.

I noticed that when he didn't answer my question.

His sixth grade teacher told him to get off the computer.

 

[Lemon law]

To show how morally bankrupt this non Prof John argument is, consider the following.

You, as an American citizen, wake up to a loud knocking of police at your door. Seems your next door neighbor has turned up dead, stabbed through the heart with a butcher knife. Maybe you have a known record of arguing with this neighbor, nut none the less, the cops have no real evidence you done it and you have no alibi. And worse yet, no one else they can prove did it. So maybe they arrest you, try, you on a circumstantial case, and even possibly convict you. Or they just hold you for awhile, decide they have nothing they can prove, and let you go. Or they do nothing, do not arrest you, even if they continue to suspect you.

Later on you move to another town where no one knows you and start a new life. Now I do not know what the probability is of any US citizen later becoming a murder, but there is always a non zero chance you later will, even if the person in this parable had nothing to do with the murder of the next door neighbor in the first place.

So basically the argument becomes, we should arrest and detain anyone on mere suspicion, as a preventive measure. And soon we will not have enough jails to contain them all as they begin to hate the USA and all it stands for. Thus increasing the probability that someone totally innocent or even totally guilty will be even more likely to strike back.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

Hey look, it's an internet tough guy!

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

I'm an actor! me so smart!

How's the film actor's guild?

Hey tough guy, my offer to have a drink and talk politics still stands Come out to Hollywood and tell me some of this stuff in person!

And 5'4 is just about right huh? You'll get back at those mean tall men eventually.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Americans elected an absolute disaster named George Bush. Electing a disaster has disastrous consequences for those who voted for and against him. This is why it matters how you vote and that you realize that it's assholes who vote for a disaster. Whatever the fallout from repairing the damage know as Gitmo, it's the price we will pay for having a country so full of so many brain dead assholes. Would that it were only the assholes that suffer, but I doubt it will be. But we have met the real enemy, and as always the real and most dangerous enemy is us.

You stupid asshole human turds cowards that would torture the soul of another human to feel safe created this monster shiver in your cowardly boots at the price of repair, you worthless scum.

Ah yes, because without the torture the monster would have not existed. So was the monster inside waiting for a spark? Was it created from thin air, an innocent man twisted and distorted by torture in such a way that he became a monster from a mouse? Or is it possible he was already a monster when brought in?

Just because you are not a fan of gitmo does not mean that every individual serving time there was an innocent with no blood on their hands before being locked up.

The question is easy to answer if you will realize why you don't already know. All you have to do is look in the last place you would ever suspect. How did you become a monster? When you know that you will know EVERYTHING.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Americans elected an absolute disaster named George Bush. Electing a disaster has disastrous consequences for those who voted for and against him. This is why it matters how you vote and that you realize that it's assholes who vote for a disaster. Whatever the fallout from repairing the damage know as Gitmo, it's the price we will pay for having a country so full of so many brain dead assholes. Would that it were only the assholes that suffer, but I doubt it will be. But we have met the real enemy, and as always the real and most dangerous enemy is us.

You stupid asshole human turds cowards that would torture the soul of another human to feel safe created this monster shiver in your cowardly boots at the price of repair, you worthless scum.

freedom isn't free

Where were you when dem towers fell?

Fuck you American lives >>>>>>>>>>> terrorist rats

Yup, the real America lives, but in people like me who pay the real price, who don't become cowards in the name of security. The price of freedom, you idiot, is not in what rights you squander to expediency, but what you will suffer for the ideals of freedom for others.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

I see, no sleep for months on end and you think you'd be physically and mentally fine. With all due respect for Jschmuck2, I think he stole your handle.

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!

I see, no sleep for months on end and you think you'd be physically and mentally fine. With all due respect for Jschmuck2, I think he stole your handle.

It isn't worth it. He ran away with his tail between his leg hours ago.

 

[theeedude]

How about we just release them to Cuba?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Seems that one of the problems with closing Gitmo is the fact that the people at Gitmo are terrorists!!!!

It will be very interesting to see how Obama handles this issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Gitmo is still there in a year or if we just move these guys to a prison in another country and essentially keep things as they are.

I dont recall seeing anything anywhere that ALL of the prisoners would be let go. There are alot there that we know for sure were active terrorists... There are others that we have no idea... Closing the prison does not mean everyone goes free. The known guilty ones will be moved.

Regardless of that... This guy in the article was released by the previous administration

 

[ericlp]

What PJ fails to understand is Gitmo is a STAIN on not only America but the WORLD.

Oboma is just closing down the bush torture camps, we are not releasing these people we are just going to treat them like human beans and give them a trial - a 'fair' one at that. If they are guilty then we can use the death penalty.

PJ, why do you hate America? Why do you hate our justice system???

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
@ profjohn:

We regularly let criminals out of jail that served their time, and we let go criminals that were found innocent. Some of those criminals go back and commit another crime. What makes this different? Do you want to lock up all "suspected" murderers, rapists, and other criminals forever on the chance that they *might* commit a crime?

From the latest reports, only about 4% of released detainees have done anything. Are you really proposing to lock up permanently the other 96%? Seriously?

The fact that these criminals are terrorists who will try to kill 3,000 or so of us and aren't afraid to die in the attempt...