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Report: Ex-Gitmo detainee joins al-Qaida in Yemen

ProfJohn

Lifer
Seems that one of the problems with closing Gitmo is the fact that the people at Gitmo are terrorists!!!!

It will be very interesting to see how Obama handles this issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Gitmo is still there in a year or if we just move these guys to a prison in another country and essentially keep things as they are.
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A Saudi man released from Guantanamo after spending nearly six years inside the U.S. prison camp is now the No. 2 of Yemen's al-Qaida branch, according to a purported Internet statement from the terror network.

The announcement, made this week on a Web site commonly used by militants, came as President Barack Obama ordered the detention facility closed within a year. Many of the remaining detainees are from Yemen, which has long posed a vexing terrorism problem for the U.S.

The terror group's Yemen branch ? known as "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula" ? said the man, identified as Said Ali al-Shihri, returned to his home in Saudi Arabia after his release from Guantanamo about a year ago and from there went to Yemen, which is Osama bin Laden's ancestral home.

The Internet statement, which could not immediately be verified, said al-Shihri was the group's second-in-command in Yemen, and his prisoner number at Guantanamo was 372.

"He managed to leave the land of the two shrines (Saudi Arabia) and join his brothers in al-Qaida," the statement said.

Documents released by the U.S. Defense Department show that al-Shihri was released from the facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in November 2007 and transferred to his homeland. The documents confirmed his prisoner number was 372.

Saudi Arabian authorities wouldn't immediately comment on the statement. A Yemeni counterterrorism official would only say that Saudi Arabia had asked Yemen to turn over a number of wanted Saudi suspects who fled the kingdom last year for Yemen, and a man with the same name was among those wanted. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to the press and would not provide more details.

Yemen is a U.S. ally in the fight against terror, but it also has been the site of numerous high-profile, al-Qaida-linked attacks including the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in the Gulf of Aden, which killed 17 American sailors.

Yemen's government struggles to maintain order. Many areas of the California-size country are beyond government control and Islamic extremism is strong. Nearly 100 Yemeni detainees remain at Guantanamo, making up the biggest group of prisoners.

Al-Shihri's case highlights the complexity of Obama's decision to shut down the detention center within a year despite the absence of rehabilitation programs for ex-prisoners in some countries, including Yemen. The Pentagon also has said more former ex-detainees appear to be returning to the fight against the U.S. after their release.

Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, who heads the House Homeland Security subcommittee on intelligence, said the reports about al-Shihri should not slow the Obama administration's determination to quickly close the prison.

"What it tells me is that President Obama has to proceed extremely carefully. But there is really no justification and there was no justification for disappearing people in a place that was located offshore of America so it was outside the reach of U.S. law," she told CBS's "The Early Show."
But Rep. Pete Hoekstra, of Michigan, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, criticized the executive order Obama signed Thursday to close the facility as "very short on specifics."

Interviewed on the same program, he said there are indications that as many as 10 percent of the men released from Guantanamo are "back on the battlefield. They are attacking American troops."

The militant Web statement said al-Shihri's identity was revealed during a recent interview with a Yemeni journalist. That journalist, Abdelela Shayie, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview on Friday that 35-year-old Saudi man had joined the kingdom's rehabilitation program after his release and got married before leaving for Yemen.

Shayie said al-Shihri told him that several other former Guantanamo detainees had also come to Yemen to join al-Qaida.

Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula is an umbrella group of various cells. Its current leader is Yemen's most wanted fugitive Naser Abdel Karim al-Wahishi, who was among 23 al-Qaida figures who escaped from a Yemeni prison in 2006.

Since the prison break, al-Qaida managed to regroup. It set up training camps, has attracted hundreds of young men and launched dozens of bloody attacks against Westerners, government institutions and oil facilities. Most recently, gunmen and two vehicles packed with explosives attacked the U.S. Embassy in Yemen in September, killing 17 people, including six militants. Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack.

According to the Defense Department, al-Shihri was stopped at a Pakistani border crossing in December 2001 with injuries from an airstrike and recuperated at a hospital. Within days of his release, he became one of the first detainees sent to Guantanamo.

Al-Shihri allegedly traveled to Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks, provided money to other fighters and trained in urban warfare at a camp north of Kabul, according to a summary of the evidence against him from U.S. military review panels at Guantanamo.
He also was accused of meeting extremists in Iran and briefing them on how to enter Afghanistan, according to the documents.

Al-Shihri, however, said he traveled to Iran to buy carpets. He said he felt bin Laden had no business representing Islam, denied any links to terrorism and expressed interest in rejoining his family.

 
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, participated, contributed, aided, abbetted, did at least some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.
 
Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:
 
If the USA locked me up for 6 years in Gitmo, I'd want payback too.

This is why Bush's policy of indefinite detention did more damage than good.

If we catch a suspect, we try him in court. If he's innocent, he can go on with his life and not suffer through 6 years in the gulag. If he's guilty, lock him up.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Obligatory: "He was a good man before he was in Gitmo. He is only joining AQ to get back at us"




Originally posted by: jpeyton
If the USA locked me up for 6 years in Gitmo, I'd want payback too.


You are so full of fail sometimes it makes me smile.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.
 
Ocguy31

"He was a good man before he was in Gitmo. He is only joining AQ to get back at us"

I have no idea, but prove that he wasn't please. Share what you know of his motivations and development of AQ sympathies.
 
@ profjohn:

We regularly let criminals out of jail that served their time, and we let go criminals that were found innocent. Some of those criminals go back and commit another crime. What makes this different? Do you want to lock up all "suspected" murderers, rapists, and other criminals forever on the chance that they *might* commit a crime?

From the latest reports, only about 4% of released detainees have done anything. Are you really proposing to lock up permanently the other 96%? Seriously?
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Ocguy31

"He was a good man before he was in Gitmo. He is only joining AQ to get back at us"

I have no idea, but prove that he wasn't please. Share what you know of his motivations and development of AQ sympathies.

No, you are right. I apologize. He was picked up off of a golf course in France by Delta Force for no reason. There he was with his golf buddies, chatting about his investments, when big bad USA randomly came and took him from his family.

After being wrongly imprisoned, he now wants to kill everything that is "Western" and commit acts of terror against civilians. :roll:


Personally I dont mind that they re-join AQ. We know who they are, we track them, and they lead us to bigger fish. Eventually, they probably get bombed or shot anyway.
 
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: jonks
This guy was released under Bush, not Obama. Obama isn't ordering the release of everyone held at Gitmo, merely that we close the gulag and similar sites and provide humane treatment of people being held indefinitely without charges. And McCain also stated he would close Gitmo had he won.

This article doesn't change the fact that you cannot hold someone indefinitely in a prison without charging them with something. If he was involved in terrorist acts then charge the mofo. If he planned, procured, ordered, organized, conspired, some fucking thing, then present some evidence to a court or tribunal and charge the dick. But we cannot lock up anyone we want forever without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's the definition of anti-american.

you're comparing club gitmo with the gulag? :roll:

They did something in gitmo called the 'frequent flyer' program where prisoners were woken every hour on the hour and moved from one cell to another. And they did that to some of them for MONTHS. Imagine not being able to get an hours sleep for months on end? It's just shocking these people were committing suicide in there. You'd be crying for your mommy every night tough guy. Other prisoners were regularly beaten and subjected to our "friendly interrogations". Club gitmo my fucking ass.

Oh the horror the torture they woke me up every hour :roll: :roll: oh noes they poured water on my face!
 
I say close down Gitmo and let them all go.
Then institute a policy of "Take No Prisoners"
That solves all of our problems with terrorists.
 
It's a shame that the Bush administration found arbitrary ways of imprisoning hundreds of people found in a hostile area so that now we're left with a mix of innocents and terrorists. Had they not, say, said give us a warm body and we'll give you $25,000, then we probably would have more of a right to imprison these people as terrorists. Unfortunately now we must provide them with fair trials which will more than likely result in a few terrorists being released. Whose fault is that? Not Obama's, you don't correct this mistake by continuing to imprison people indefinitely.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
If the USA locked me up for 6 years in Gitmo, I'd want payback too.

This is why Bush's policy of indefinite detention did more damage than good.

If we catch a suspect, we try him in court. If he's innocent, he can go on with his life and not suffer through 6 years in the gulag. If he's guilty, lock him up.

Ha you're right man. Because being locked up for 6 years and pissed off about it automatically earns you the trust of AQ to join their ranks. Hell not only join their ranks but become #2!
 
Americans elected an absolute disaster named George Bush. Electing a disaster has disastrous consequences for those who voted for and against him. This is why it matters how you vote and that you realize that it's assholes who vote for a disaster. Whatever the fallout from repairing the damage know as Gitmo, it's the price we will pay for having a country so full of so many brain dead assholes. Would that it were only the assholes that suffer, but I doubt it will be. But we have met the real enemy, and as always the real and most dangerous enemy is us.

You stupid asshole human turds cowards that would torture the soul of another human to feel safe created this monster shiver in your cowardly boots at the price of repair, you worthless scum.
 
Pro-Jo, as stated in other threads (and as you already know), closing Guantanamo does not mean releasing the prisoners there. It means removing them from an legal and human rights black hole. When Guantanamo is closed, the prisoners will not be released. What your example really shows is that we need a better system of classifying dangerous people, not that we should just hold everyone forever... as what are you going to do, imprison the whole middle east?

Of course you already know all this. This is just yet another dishonest and shameful posting on your part. Stop it, you embarrass yourself.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: jpeyton
If the USA locked me up for 6 years in Gitmo, I'd want payback too.

This is why Bush's policy of indefinite detention did more damage than good.

If we catch a suspect, we try him in court. If he's innocent, he can go on with his life and not suffer through 6 years in the gulag. If he's guilty, lock him up.

Ha you're right man.
I usually am :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Pro-Jo, as stated in other threads (and as you already know), closing Guantanamo does not mean releasing the prisoners there. It means removing them from an legal and human rights black hole. When Guantanamo is closed, the prisoners will not be released. What your example really shows is that we need a better system of classifying dangerous people, not that we should just hold everyone forever... as what are you going to do, imprison the whole middle east?

Of course you already know all this. This is just yet another dishonest and shameful posting on your part. Stop it, you embarrass yourself.

qft.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Americans elected an absolute disaster named George Bush. Electing a disaster has disastrous consequences for those who voted for and against him. This is why it matters how you vote and that you realize that it's assholes who vote for a disaster. Whatever the fallout from repairing the damage know as Gitmo, it's the price we will pay for having a country so full of so many brain dead assholes. Would that it were only the assholes that suffer, but I doubt it will be. But we have met the real enemy, and as always the real and most dangerous enemy is us.

You stupid asshole human turds cowards that would torture the soul of another human to feel safe created this monster shiver in your cowardly boots at the price of repair, you worthless scum.

Ah yes, because without the torture the monster would have not existed. So was the monster inside waiting for a spark? Was it created from thin air, an innocent man twisted and distorted by torture in such a way that he became a monster from a mouse? Or is it possible he was already a monster when brought in?

Just because you are not a fan of gitmo does not mean that every individual serving time there was an innocent with no blood on their hands before being locked up.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Americans elected an absolute disaster named George Bush. Electing a disaster has disastrous consequences for those who voted for and against him. This is why it matters how you vote and that you realize that it's assholes who vote for a disaster. Whatever the fallout from repairing the damage know as Gitmo, it's the price we will pay for having a country so full of so many brain dead assholes. Would that it were only the assholes that suffer, but I doubt it will be. But we have met the real enemy, and as always the real and most dangerous enemy is us.

You stupid asshole human turds cowards that would torture the soul of another human to feel safe created this monster shiver in your cowardly boots at the price of repair, you worthless scum.

Nice rant 😉
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
No, you are right. I apologize. He was picked up off of a golf course in France by Delta Force for no reason. There he was with his golf buddies, chatting about his investments, when big bad USA randomly came and took him from his family.

In many situations that's not far off. Apologies for the source, but it's a factual statement I'm trying to make and not one of opinion:

New revelations about Guantanamo Bay prisoners

A recent story in the Los Angeles Times reports that at least 10 percent of the 625 war prisoners captured in Afghanistan and now held at the notorious US naval base prison in Guantanamo Bay have ?no meaningful connection? with the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

Citing military sources, the December 22 article revealed that a group of US army officers in Afghanistan last year called for scores of detainees not to be sent to Guantanamo Bay. Senior US military commanders in Afghanistan, Kuwait and America, however, ignored their advice. The article also reported that Maj. Gen. Michael E. Dunleavy, operational commander at Guantanamo Bay until October, visited Afghanistan last year complaining that there were ?too many ?Mickey Mouse? detainees? being sent to the naval base.

According to the newspaper, army officers who were frustrated that their recommendations were being ignored decided to circulate a list of 49 Afghans and 10 Pakistani prisoners they wanted released or repatriated. The list included street vendors, taxi drivers, farmers and several men suffering severe mental health problems. While no names were provided, many of the men were kidnapped by bounty-hunting Pakistani soldiers near the Afghan border. One young detainee was captured in a border town where he had lived and worked for 20 years. He had no connection with the Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

The article also said that many Afghans now in Guantanamo Bay were forcibly conscripted into the Taliban army because they could not afford the bribes demanded to avoid military service. One example cited was of a 30-year-old farmer who was picked up by Northern Alliance forces because they were ?interested in stealing his car and money?.

A large number of the detainees at G-Bay are there because they've been victimized, not because they're dangerous. Yes, in releasing those detainees some mistakes will be made and a few will rejoin the terrorist threat. That doesn't mean the overall policy is wrong.
 
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