VIOLENCE GOOD!*
NUDITY BAD!**
*Only in professional sports.
**Only if you have no control over it.
NUDITY BAD!**
*Only in professional sports.
**Only if you have no control over it.
Good! I hope they can them! I was in a room full of kids and as soon as The Boob popped out, they all EXPLODED! What a clean up job!
Nitemare
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- Feb 8, 2001
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How is seeing a boob with a pasty on it anymore offensive than the song selections? Not that you could understand any of it but, P Diddy, Nelly, Just and Janet were all singing songs about taking off your clothes and getting busy as well as plenty of crotch grabbing and grinding.
Why is there no outrage in this?
Why is there no outrage in this?
I believe Chairman Powell is going to address that, too.
But, in my case, I didn't see that part and neither did my daughter. She got in there when she heard Justin.
ThePresence
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- Nov 19, 2001
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First off, it wasn't a pasty. (Search the net for better pics...)
Second, and please try to view this from a parent's perspective, it's not about "a boob"... It's about CBS/MTV/Janet/Justin taking away my ability to choose what I allow my boys to watch.
Let me say that my wife, my two boys (nine and six), and I were watching this show. And my boys didn't even care about the "incident"... Heck, I'm not even sure they noticed... So no, I don't think this one split-second boobie shot is going to scar them or anyone else.
But I chose to allow my kids to watch a football game and a musical halftime show. If they were to have aired this during ER or some "racy cop drama", then I wouldn't have had a single problem with it. But, by inserting this into family programming, they chose to blindside me and take away my ability to decide what I deem appropriate for my children.
And this is my point about the musical lyrics... I knew what I was getting into. I knew there would be questionable lyrics, and sexual movements on stage. I knew this was going to happen, and I was able to make a choice. America's parents didn't know about the stunt, and therefore were not able to make their own decision.
Fausto brought up another good point that I haven't seen brought up.... The way her top was ripped off by a man, apparently without her permission. To even suggest to young boys that this even remotely may be appropriate behavior is disgusting.
Even still, proper parenting will overcome such details... But that doesn't make what they did any less irresponsible.
It is true that America treats the human body as a taboo subject, else the issue wouldn't be getting so much publicity. If we were comfortable with ourselves in the first place, the incident likely would have never happened. They just wanted shock value. Both Jackson and Timberlake are marginal talents and apparently they think they need this kind of free publicity to stoke their careers.
Well. I have to admit you have stated your possition well enough that I can not dispute you - even if I wanted to.
But to play Devil's Advocate a moment:
What is the difference between "sexual movements on stage" and a shot of a "decorated" breast?
A coworker of mine had a good point. If it was titled the Superbowl Half Time Documentary, there would be no problem with the shot.
Now, the point you reference from Fausto superceeds everything else..... I must have "conveniently" skipped over that point in my reading.....
They should ban them from the Grammy's and they should be jailed. I can't believe CBS and MTV allowed NUDITY at Half-Time! This was collusion at the highest levels, and I think the execs from CBS and MTV, as well as Jackson and Timberlake should have fines and jail time. I never expected there to be anything "racy" during a show produced by MTV. Who would have thought an MTV show with Nelly and other rap artists would have anything objectionable. JAIL THEM NOW! Guantanamo Bay for those idiots. Fry the fvckers! Down with the US! Down with secular people. Christians Unite!
I'm calling in Eric Robert Rudolph on this one. We need his expertise.
I'm calling in Eric Robert Rudolph on this one. We need his expertise.
Sorry, my bad... I should've mentioned it was in a pm. 
Mill, risking me taking your flame bait, it's a shame you cannot see past the boobie. If you used your elite skills of reasoning and read my post, you'd understand what it's really about.
Mill, risking me taking your flame bait, it's a shame you cannot see past the boobie. If you used your elite skills of reasoning and read my post, you'd understand what it's really about.
In actuality, not a whole lot... Heck, you could even argue that the explicit sexuality could be more influential... With the exception of two points.
- I knew what kind of dancing I (and my kids) were getting into when I saw that Janet and Justin were going to be on stage, except for the nudity. Again, they blindsided me with the stunt, and I had no ability to choose what my kids saw.
- The way that Justin tore off her top, apparently without her consent. That is certainly not a behavior I want my boys to even consider may be appropriate under any circumstance.
This has always been a family event. There was no reason to presume any different going into it this year. Like I said before, had this happened during a 10:00pm crime drama, it wouldn't have been an issue.
He had her consent. It was staged to where her red bustier was supposed to be revealed and not her actual breast. There are too many articles out there that say it was "staged" and it WAS, but most neglect to include to rest of Jackson's Publicist's statement that said it was a malfunction and that only the red bustier was supposed to be showed. I'm sure no one believes that, but I have a hard time believing that Timberlake and Jackson are that stupid. Dancers from the show called in to Houston radio stations that night and the next day and said that Jackson and Timberlake were both upset, because that was not supposed to happen that way. People are taking Timberlakes's statements to Access Hollywood as proof that he wanted to flash her tit. I'm not saying one way or the other. He could have meant to do that, but I'll wait for the investigation. Either way I am not outraged because it was 2 seconds of a show that lasted quite awhile. I see the FCC is objecting to the whole show, but I doubt they would of had it not been for the incident.
If I were a parent I'd have enough faith in my parenting to know that my kids were not going to become rapists because of something they saw on the Super Bowl halftime compared to movies and TV shows that they watch everyday. America and the media are sensationalists and reactionary and this is just more proof. The idea that a tit shot will undermine the American Family and turn little kids into rapists is just asinine.
If I were a parent I'd have enough faith in my parenting to know that my kids were not going to become rapists because of something they saw on the Super Bowl halftime compared to movies and TV shows that they watch everyday. America and the media are sensationalists and reactionary and this is just more proof. The idea that a tit shot will undermine the American Family and turn little kids into rapists is just asinine.
Pliablemoose
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Originally posted by: Fausto
Jesus people, it's a BOOB. Roughly 50% of the population has them. Quit making such a big deal out of nothing.
(Note to self, Fausto is wearing a thong & nothing else around his new child
)I saw it, and I don't see how it would appear as non-consensual. She was grinding with him earlier, and put herself in a position so he could do it.
How so? By standing a couple feet away from him?
He reached over and ripped her clothing! To a child, that's disturbing. How do I know? Because my 9 year-old was sitting right next to me when it happened! It's far different from grinding when dancing. Way different. Worlds apart.
I hope they are both kicked off the Grammys. I hope this leads to somehow, oh, I don't know, focusing on music instead of shock value in a performance?
As some might have guessed by now, I did not actually see the Half Time show. I had no interest, or reason, to watch the superbowl or the half time show.
As well, I admitted that the point of the "rape" scene completely shot my "just relax" position out of the water.
But for "this has always been a family event," I have to disagree. At least by the way you define family event.
Hooters Restaraunt's can call themselves a "family restaraunt." I can not see how. I personally do not see an inherent problem with taking "under-teen" or even teen kids to the restaraunt, but I do not see how they company can get away with calling it a family restaraunt.
The same goes for the Superbowl - particularly the commercials and Half Time Show. How can all of that be deemed "family oriented?"
The violence in the game, not to mention the "attitude" and "smack talk." At least wrestling can claim that it is "all for entertainment." Football can not.
And the commercials.... More beer than you can wave an empty bottle at. And the scantily clad women.....
And the show... 'Nuff said.
I will repeat for those that might have missed it: I have no problem with this.
I do have a problem with those that claim "it is a family event" and when a breast is shown have a tizzy.
Now Wingznut, you do have my support on the way the scene was shown. I did not realize that point. But you can not preach that the event is "family oriented" and claim foul at the shot of a - as I said before - "decorated" breast.
How can the event not be familly oriented? It was broadcast telivision at 8pm. Anything on broadcast telivision during prime time MUST, according to FCC rules, be acceptable for children.
Wrong, they did not know it was going to happen. Not one rehearsal had that happening. Timberlake knew it, others did, too, but now they are lying and saying it was an accident.
If it was an accident, Janet wouldn't have had that star-shaped thing attached to her nipple to partially cover it up when the breast was exposed. Bet she didn't have one on the other side.
Come on Mill, reread what you typed. You go out to a club, you're dancing with a girl, because she danced with you means she gave you the concent to tear her clothes off? Within the context of the act that's what he did.
As for the "only the bra was supposed to be exposed" part, I don't buy it. In the post incident picture (no nudity in link) you can see what Justin is holding. Looks like the red "bra" part is sewn into the leather cup. Justin might be surprised, but Janet sure as heck knew that outfit inside and out.
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